defense

[b bulldog]

the Vikings D is awesome. Give that team a QB and they might be the best team in the NFC. Peterson is everything the Bush folks wanted Bush to be and Rice looks very promising. I also like greenway, he seems to have a nose for the ball and the refs gave us a break on that fumble that he recovered. If it weren't for a super man effort by 4, we lose this game. Our running game is an embarrassment. Our backs are just guys and the linemen run block like crap. Colledge is awful! Our D is the third best in the north imo when everyone is healthy. :(

[RashanGary]

The Bears, Vikings and Packers all have very good defenses. Even if we are third with the Bears healthy, that is really not an insult. We might have the three best defenses in the NFC.

Our ST's are better than most. Our offense is better than the Bears and Vikings. Overall we have the better team, but you are right that Favre is scale tipper. If Favre got another SB, he'd be in the conversation with the best ever. It's definitly nice to have him on our team.

What's amazing is favre does it with kids up front, no running back and maybe the most obscure set of WR's in the league. Brett is amazing!! Go Pack!!

[Iron Mike]

Maybe they could get Moss and Pep back next year. :P

[b bulldog]

I agree with you nick in regards to Brett and another ring. The Vikes and the Pack are very even without Brett at the helm.

[b bulldog]

Honestly, our D is not a dominat D imo. They gave way too much to Pete.i

[RashanGary]

I agree with you nick in regards to Brett and another ring. The Vikes and the Pack are very even without Brett at the helm.

Take Brett out and the Vikes are better. Their defense and run game is top notch.

[mmmdk]

I agree with you nick in regards to Brett and another ring. The Vikes and the Pack are very even without Brett at the helm.

Take Brett out and the Vikes are better. Their defense and run game is top notch.

I think I agree...Bears will lose both games to Vikings - I'm sure of that or as sure as I can be.

[b bulldog]

Their WR's aren't very good though cause of youth and their right side of their oline is average at best but our whole line might be that way in the run blocking game.

[RashanGary]

Favre is the greatest. Maybe the greatest ever. If he was on the Vikings they'd be unstoppable. If he were on the Pats he'd have like 6 rings.

[b bulldog]

Kool aid??? Settle down a tad. I'm not starting this again. As was said on the pregame show, opinions are what it comes down to with the top qb's of all-time but Montana will always be the gretaest imo although Manning/Brady have lots of time yet. I'm very happy that Brett is playing so dominantly at the moment, hopefully he continues this.

[Lurker64]

I don't want to draw too many conclusions about this team from this game. Packer-Viking games are always very close, usually closer than they should be. In our superbowl year we lost 30-21 to a Vikings squad that only had eight other wins.

The Green Bay-Mn games are always tight no matter which of the teams is good and which isn't, for some reason. I'm just happy to get out of the Dome with a win.

[b bulldog]

Great point but minny's running game was gashing us.

[PackerTimer]

Great point but minny's running game was gashing us.

i have a feeling AP is gonna gash alot of people. i was really impressed with the way he plays. bulldog, i agree with you about the vikes. if they had a qb, they would be a damn good team.

[gbpackfan]

Minny gained 93 of their 155 yards on two plays. The Packers D had two run breakdowns. All in all, it wasnt that bad. Now, they SHOULD work on it. I would be more worried about our run O then our run D.

[Rastak]

Yea, but they don't so it's a moot point.


:(

[RashanGary]

Yeah, the same way LT and Westbrook gashed us.

Good defenses close out games. We are closing out games. Nuff said.

[b bulldog]

Maybe next year. Your D is talented and boy do they swarm to the ball. I was very impressed with them but even more so with Brett and his decision making.

[Rastak]

Maybe next year. Your D is talented and boy do they swarm to the ball. I was very impressed with them but even more so with Brett and his decision making.

Favre was rockin. His arm is gonna fall off by the end of the year though....

[RashanGary]

Favre was rockin. His arm is gonna fall off by the end of the year though....

Haha, I wouldn't hold yoru breath.

[b bulldog]

What will ultimately do us in is this crappy ground game. We will get in trouble against the likes of Dallas and Denver on the road where a solid ground game is needed. If this team could develop a ground game this team could be a strong candidate for the SB.

[b bulldog]

aLL OF THIS passing will be putting too much pressure on Brett and he will have a bad game as everyone does and we will be screwed.

[b bulldog]

As of now, Brett is hands down the MVP. he is looking awesome

[Rastak]

Favre was rockin. His arm is gonna fall off by the end of the year though....

Haha, I wouldn't hold yoru breath.


Maybe not, you'd think it would but maybe he's superhuman...or one step below it.


I wonder what the record is for passing attempts in a season?

[b bulldog]

Just commenting on Hawk that most of his tackles are downfield and he struggles shedding blocks. This was just said on 620tmj, I guess I'm not the only one disappointed with Hawk. He needs to be better.

[Bretsky]

Just commenting on Hawk that most of his tackles are downfield and he struggles shedding blocks. This was just said on 620tmj, I guess I'm not the only one disappointed with Hawk. He needs to be better.


I'd agree with this

[b bulldog]

B, when I post about Hawk and his playing my point is that he isn't making the plays he should be making. I liked mario and obviously he isn't doing what I thought he would do but some of the concerns predraft about AJ are coming to fruition as well. Hawk is a Packer so I want him to be great but we as fans need to expect more out of a top 5 pick that what he is giving us.

[Rastak]

I thought Greenway played pretty well. He's the guy that folks will compare Hawk to in the North....both #1s in the same draft class.

[PackerTimer]

Just commenting on Hawk that most of his tackles are downfield and he struggles shedding blocks. This was just said on 620tmj, I guess I'm not the only one disappointed with Hawk. He needs to be better.

i would agree with this too. i said earlier that hawk had a good game. if he makes more plays at the line of scrimmage, he has a great game. i think he'll start making those plays.

[RashanGary]

The defense was #10 in points allowed after playing 3 of the top 10 offenses in the NFL. This week we gave up 16. I'd guess that we move up to about 8th in points allowed. Hopefully we can be around 5th by seasons end. I'd be happy with that, even if we're 15th in yards.

[b bulldog]

PackTimer, half of his tackles were on the last drive during prevent :?

[Rastak]

The defense was #10 in points allowed after playing 3 of the top 10 offenses in the NFL. This week we gave up 16. I'd guess that we move up to about 8th in points allowed. Hopefully we can be around 5th by seasons end. I'd be happy with that, even if we're 15th in yards.


But you faced the "kickass offense" this week. You should have moved up further!

:wink:

[b bulldog]

I see our D as solid but not great.

[RashanGary]

But you faced the "kickass offense" this week. You should have moved up further!

:wink:

Peterson was outstanding. He might be the best back we played, but he's going to have to stay healthy. He is an oustanding player, Ras. IF it weren't for the injury concerns, he'd have been #1 in last years draft class IMO. The Vikes are going to win some games on that guys back.

[b bulldog]

Minny should beat the Lions and the Bears at home imo.

[RashanGary]

I left that game with a lot more respect for the Vikes than I had going in. There is no way they should be losing games with the way they run the ball and the way they play D. I would start Holcomb every game. He gives you guys a chance. He just needs to relax and play. He was too wound up and seemed rattled on every bad play.

[Rastak]

I left that game with a lot more respect for the Vikes than I had going in. There is no way they should be losing games with the way they run the ball and the way they play D. I would start Holcomb every game. He gives you guys a chance. He just needs to relax and play. He was too wound up and seemed rattled on every bad play.


I don't know.....he and T Jack are about the same. T Jack throws passes he shouldn't and Holcomb stands there like a statue. At least Jackson can run and has the potential to get better. Holcomb will never be better, well, maybe he'll get used to the "kickass" offense. They did just get him AFTER training camp.

[b bulldog]

The problem the Vikes have is that they need to decide whether Jackson is their guy since they will most likely have a higher pick this year and Jackson was a high pick last year.

[Rastak]

The problem the Vikes have is that they need to decide whether Jackson is their guy since they will most likely have a higher pick this year and Jackson was a high pick last year.


Agreed.

[cpk1994]

I left that game with a lot more respect for the Vikes than I had going in. There is no way they should be losing games with the way they run the ball and the way they play D. I would start Holcomb every game. He gives you guys a chance. He just needs to relax and play. He was too wound up and seemed rattled on every bad play. It is kind of hard for Holcumb to get relaxed when his $100 Million line = 5 turnstiles in pass pro and he has at least on guy constantly in his face. Kampman absolutely owned both tackles.

[Rastak]

I left that game with a lot more respect for the Vikes than I had going in. There is no way they should be losing games with the way they run the ball and the way they play D. I would start Holcomb every game. He gives you guys a chance. He just needs to relax and play. He was too wound up and seemed rattled on every bad play. It is kind of hard for Holcumb to get relaxed when his $100 Million line = 5 turnstiles in pass pro and he has at least on guy constantly in his face. Kampman absolutely owned both tackles.

McKinnie was barfing all game...had an IV at half time due to illness then left the game. That having been said, I thought Green Bay did a good job getting pressure. Minnesota did on occasion but not consistently enough.

Packers did the better job there and it was pretty important.

[RashanGary]

After today, these are the top defenses as far as points allowed.

Bucaneers - 11.0
Jaguars - 11.3
Patriots - 11.7
Steelers - 11.8
Seattle - 13.3
Vikings - 14.8
Titans - 15.3
Redskins - 16.3
KC/Packers - 16.5

We're tied for 9th/10th right now.

I'm hoping to climb up into the top 5 by seasons end. I can see the Jags, Pats and Vikes there at the end. Hopefully we're there with them.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There certainly were breakdowns by the run D today. Given it was the first week this has happened and by a very good run offense, I'm not too concerned.

I'm more worried about Bush in pass coverage. Blech.