Over/Under On The Thompson Bashers

[The Shadow]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

[BallHawk]

I look at it this way, Thompson has put this team in a position that they have a chance to win every game they play.

To me, that's the sign of a good GM.

[MJZiggy]

If we go 19-0, but the running game doesn't start producing better there are still one or two around here that will say that he's failed because we can't run the ball and you can't win without a running game.

[The Shadow]

If we go 19-0, but the running game doesn't start producing better there are still one or two around here that will say that he's failed because we can't run the ball and you can't win without a running game.

LOL!

[Spaulding]

Early season snow storm up North must have cut off Internet access since I've seen no rebuttal yet.

[RashanGary]

It's certainly an exciting time having one of the best teams in the NFL that is also one of the youngest and also has a lot of extra cap space. Assuming a rash of bad things don't happen, this team should be playoff competitive for a number of years.

I really hope age catches up with NE and Indy gets beat up along the way. It would be great if we got to the SB and gave Brett an Elway like going away party.

[Packnut]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????


This is hilarious. The Packers are 4-0 due to Brett Favre. Anyone with half a brain knows this. You have been one of his biggest critics. You've been ripping Favre for how long now? Man, some people have no shame...... :roll:

[RashanGary]

This is hilarious. The Packers are 4-0 due to Brett Favre. Anyone with half a brain knows this. You have been one of his biggest critics. You've been ripping Favre for how long now? Man, some people have no shame...... :roll:

Bull shit. They were 4-12 with Brett Favre two years ago. This team improved around Brett Favre and Brett Favre improved with Ted Thompson's coaching hire.

[Bretsky]

Here comes another one of those in your face/I told you so mentality threads that ends up serving to get some mad at each other

[Joemailman]

I agree. Packers are winning. Be happy. Save your ire for the Bears, not fellow Packer fans.

[Bretsky]

I agree. Packers are winning. Be happy. Save your ire for the Bears, not fellow Packer fans.


Yup

[MJZiggy]

There aren't going to be Bear fans around here again until the draft...

[vince]

I agree. Packers are winning. Be happy. Save your ire for the Bears, not fellow Packer fans.
Not to fuel the fire, because I agree, but that same sentiment fell on completely deaf ears for months this offseason when so many were certain the shoe would be on the other foot by now.

I kind of miss RG's sarcasm around here the last few weeks...

[CaliforniaCheez]

If the Packers win the Superbowl people will still complain because they could have won more games.

If the Packers went 19-0 people would complain because the scores were too close.

If the Packers went 19-0 and won by large margins people would complain because the defense allowed scores.

If the Packers went 19-0 and shut out their opponents people would complain because not every offensive play went for a touchdown.

Etc. etc. etc.

It is that kind of thinking that fires a coach after a 14-2 season and then goes 1-3.

[RashanGary]

I agree. The Packers are winning. I'm having just as much fun worrying about the run game and the Bears.

That said, TT does deserve credit. Some of us fought long and hard supporting the route that Ted Thompson was taking. We argued that the benifits would start to show even though it was a little rough starting out. We argued that it was similar to making investments. We compared it to managing a budget or buying a taco :)

What did we hear? We heard that we were blind supporters. The sarcastic one liner was brought to a new level by retail guy (who is now invisble, BTW, just like he was during the 4 game winning streak last year).

I personally don't care if guys like packnut admit they were wrong on 75% of what they said this off season. I know what happened and I believe that I saw it coming.

You will not get any satisfaction or class from those who opposed you in ignorant ways. It is what it is. Most everyone is just having a good time with it and is over the fighting of the off seaosn. I think it's the right thing to do, to admit wrong and move on but if they don't, so be it. 98% of peopel here are happy with this team and 75% are starting to come around to Ted Thompson. The stubborn minority should hardly be the target of so much attn.

I'm with Bretsky on this one. Anyone who wants to come out and admit they were way off is up to them. Guys like Packnut who claim it's all Brett now to support their arguement but claimed it was all the defense a month ago and claimed it was all hell a few months ago are hardly worht your time. Packnut is a decent poster and I like to talk betting with him, but he's got a very short memory as far as the things he says. Who cares!! He's delusional. Are you going to win an arguement with someone who's logic borders on insanity? Nope, there is no end when one person is willing to completely change their view to support the current topic.

It's to the point where there is little productivity in all of this. It feels good to see Ted Thompson succeed after supporting him all this time. The few who were insulting are now the few who have changed their stances to fit the circumtance. There is no end to the discussion with these people.

99% of the posters here are great. I hate contributing to a thread like this because it always seems like we are ripping on 50% of the posters when really it's one or two.

[Bretsky]

""It's to the point where there is little productivity in all of this. It feels good to see Ted Thompson succeed''


Could not agree more; I'm enjoying every win as much as anybody else is

[RashanGary]

It's to the point where there is little productivity in all of this. It feels good to see Ted Thompson succeed


Could not agree more; I'm enjoying every win as much as anybody else is

Hell yeah, and I think you are going to owe me two beers :)

[retailguy]

I agree. Packers are winning. Be happy. Save your ire for the Bears, not fellow Packer fans.
Not to fuel the fire, because I agree, but that same sentiment fell on completely deaf ears for months this offseason when so many were certain the shoe would be on the other foot by now.

I kind of miss RG's sarcasm around here the last few weeks...

I'm still around Vince. Enjoying the wins, working hard, reading a bit here and there. Posting has taken a backseat to some projects at work, and some personal issues I've been dealing with. Have actually only watched one game (Eagles). Listened to most of the game on the radio today, but missed the end where we supposedly didn't play well. What I listened to sounded pretty good, though.

The Packers have started off much better than I expected. I share the concerns with the running game. That "should" become apparent once the weather changes. But, perhaps, McCarthy has a plan. His plan has worked well to this point. Beating San Diego still stuns me, but hey, they are 1-3, so perhaps there are other issues?

Plenty of teams start off well, then crash back to earth. No idea if that'll happen, but I'll have enjoyed 4 wins and a touchdown record even if it does.

What did you think of our run defense today?

[Bretsky]

It's to the point where there is little productivity in all of this. It feels good to see Ted Thompson succeed


Could not agree more; I'm enjoying every win as much as anybody else is

Hell yeah, and I think you are going to owe me two beers :)


It sure looks like it, and those will be two beers I'll be very happy to buy

[Carolina_Packer]

It's to the point where there is little productivity in all of this. It feels good to see Ted Thompson succeed


Could not agree more; I'm enjoying every win as much as anybody else is

Hell yeah, and I think you are going to owe me two beers :)

Besides, at this point, being in-season, it's really an MM and coaching staff thing, and not a personnel thing. They have to go with who they have personnel-wise. Having #4 seems to help a bit.

[retailguy]

99% of the posters here are great. I hate contributing to a thread like this because it always seems like we are ripping on 50% of the posters when really it's one or two.

Well, I'm sure that the "one or two" includes me. Whatever. If you "hate" contributing, why not just move on and not post? Your post reeks of insincerity. You very much enjoy jabbing your fingers into others eyes.

Tis still early in the season... Lets just enjoy one week at a time and see what happens, ok?

shadow - Good things come to those who are patient and wait. Bad things come to those with bad motives. enjoy the wins, if us "Ted bashers" need to apologize and seek forgiveness from the many relatives of Nostradamus who have settled here, there will be PLENTY of time... Patience.

[RashanGary]

I'll just come out and say it.

Retailguy, Woodbuck and Packnut have been the most unreasonable. Packnut has come around but he's just sort of done a switcharoo and pretended he was on board.

The answers to our debates are playing out now. It's not over yet, so maybe these guys are waiting to see the evidence before they admit wrong. I know I wouldn't jump off Thompsons band wagon after a 3-1 start if I saw good things.

Still, I highly doubt any of these guys will ever admit they were wrong about TT. It'll be a series of endless twisted logic that somehow shows that they were right in everythign they said.

EDIT: Haha, jsut saw your post, RG. I figured you were holding out for proof. I'd do the same thing :)

[HarveyWallbangers]

Besides, at this point, being in-season, it's really an MM and coaching staff thing, and not a personnel thing.

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[Partial]

If we go 19-0, but the running game doesn't start producing better there are still one or two around here that will say that he's failed because we can't run the ball and you can't win without a running game.

LMAO. I am not getting involved but that is just a funny quote!

[retailguy]

I'll just come out and say it.

Retailguy, Woodbuck and Packnut have been the most unreasonable. Packnut has come around but he's just sort of done a switcharoo and pretended he was on board.

The answers to our debates are playing out now. It's not over yet, so maybe these guys are waiting to see the evidence before they admit wrong. I know I wouldn't jump off Thompsons band wagon after a 3-1 start if I saw good things.

Still, I highly doubt any of these guys will ever admit they were wrong about TT. It'll be a series of endless twisted logic that somehow shows that they were right in everythign they said.

:roll: so much for "hating" topics like this one, huh? LMAO.

Just enjoy the wins. If I need to "apologize" you can bet I'll do it... Back to work. Project due tomorrow.

[cheesner]

Here comes another one of those in your face/I told you so mentality threads that ends up serving to get some mad at each otherAnd the several thousand 'TT is an idiot/I know far more about football/the Packers suck because of him' posts were meant to bring unity to this board?

[RashanGary]

:roll: so much for "hating" topics like this one, huh? LMAO.

Just enjoy the wins. If I need to "apologize" you can bet I'll do it... Back to work. Project due tomorrow.

I said I hated these topics because it looked like we were ripping on guys like Bretsky when it's really just you :)

As you can see I've been consistant as usual and you are twisting things to fit the fairy tale world that you call reality.

[retailguy]

:roll: so much for "hating" topics like this one, huh? LMAO.

Just enjoy the wins. If I need to "apologize" you can bet I'll do it... Back to work. Project due tomorrow.

I said I hated these topics because it looked like we were ripping on guys like Bretsky when it's really just you :)

As you can see I've been consistant as usual and you are twisting things to fit the fairy tale world that you call reality.

What exactly did I say today, that's a "fairy tale"? You've got 'em traveling to the Super Bowl after week 4, and I've got a "fairy tale" reality? You have some serious issues you should really look at...

[RashanGary]

What exactly did I say today, that's a "fairy tale"? You've got 'em traveling to the Super Bowl after week 4, and I've got a "fairy tale" reality? You have some serious issues you should really look at...

Haha, again, I've said nothing of the sort.

You're nuts, RG.

[GrnBay007]

This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.

If I was Mad, I'd lock the thread....but that's just me. If anyone wants to read the "opinions" that will be posted here throughout the week they can just skip back 10, 11, 12, 13, .....60 pages and read it.

BE HAPPY..........4-0!!!!!!!!!!!

[RashanGary]

Yeah, shadow, WTF :butt:

:) :)

[woodbuck27]

If we go 19-0, but the running game doesn't start producing better there are still one or two around here that will say that he's failed because we can't run the ball and you can't win without a running game.

Yup and your just the smartest Packer fan that has ever shit in a bucket mj. :)

How high is that horse mj. . .

and by the way we cannot go on as we have without a running game. Our defense will wear down mj.

We are 4-0 because we got really fortunate Vs the Eagles and since been in two words:

Brett Favre

Favre is playing the best of his career right now. He looks amazing during the last three games.

[woodbuck27]

This is hilarious. The Packers are 4-0 due to Brett Favre. Anyone with half a brain knows this. You have been one of his biggest critics. You've been ripping Favre for how long now? Man, some people have no shame...... :roll:

Bull shit. They were 4-12 with Brett Favre two years ago. This team improved around Brett Favre and Brett Favre improved with Ted Thompson's coaching hire.

Is that your best impression of a bag of wind JH. . .

If so then . . . really good job.

This team would have improved a lot more with a running game.

Try harder to understand the basics of football then come back to us.

The season is 16 games long before any playoff and that means that the defense cannot get too much time on the field.

Check out the battle of the clock JH. Why is that even a factor JH. . .

Of course you know why, so why pretend that we do not need a running game.

Please . . . for your self esteem JH.

[woodbuck27]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.

[woodbuck27]

This is hilarious. The Packers are 4-0 due to Brett Favre. Anyone with half a brain knows this. You have been one of his biggest critics. You've been ripping Favre for how long now? Man, some people have no shame...... :roll:

Bull shit. They were 4-12 with Brett Favre two years ago. This team improved around Brett Favre and Brett Favre improved with Ted Thompson's coaching hire.

Is that your best impression of a bag of wind JH. . .

If so then . . . really good job.

This team would have improved a lot more with a running game.

Try harder to understand the basics of football then come back to us.

The season is 16 games long before any playoff and that means that the defense cannot get too much time on the field.

Check out the battle of the clock JH. Why is that even a factor JH. . .

Of course you know why, so why pretend that we do not need a running game.

Please . . . for your self esteem JH.

Packers 23 - Vikings 16

Weekly League Leaders - Passing Yards

1. B. Favre, GB, 344 Note: Completions to 10 players

2. T. Romo, DAL, 339
3. M. Schaub, HOU, 317
4. S. McNair, BAL, 307
5. C. Pennington, NYJ, 290

How did the Packers do rushing the ball. . .

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG

D. Wynn 10 20 0 3 (7th Rd. draft pick)

R. Grant 3 17 0 15 (cast off fr. the Giants)

J. Ryan 1 7 0 7 (Our punter)

V. Morency 1 2 0 2 (Great! That he was back)

B. Favre 4 1 0 3 (who is that fella)

D. Driver 1 -1 0 -1 (who that)

[woodbuck27]

This is hilarious. The Packers are 4-0 due to Brett Favre. Anyone with half a brain knows this. You have been one of his biggest critics. You've been ripping Favre for how long now? Man, some people have no shame...... :roll:

Bull shit. They were 4-12 with Brett Favre two years ago. This team improved around Brett Favre and Brett Favre improved with Ted Thompson's coaching hire.

Is that your best impression of a bag of wind JH. . .

If so then . . . really good job.

This team would have improved a lot more with a running game.

Try harder to understand the basics of football then come back to us.

The season is 16 games long before any playoff and that means that the defense cannot get too much time on the field.

Check out the battle of the clock JH. Why is that even a factor JH. . .

TIME OF POSSESSION 30:58 for us, and if we run the ball we would try very hard to extend that.

Of course you know why, so why pretend that we do not need a running game.

Please . . . for your self esteem JH.

[the_idle_threat]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/44/Rodney_king.jpg

[MJZiggy]

If we go 19-0, but the running game doesn't start producing better there are still one or two around here that will say that he's failed because we can't run the ball and you can't win without a running game.

Yup and your just the smartest Packer fan that has ever shit in a bucket mj. :)

How high is that horse mj. . .

and by the way we cannot go on as we have without a running game. Our defense will wear down mj.

We are 4-0 because we got really fortunate Vs the Eagles and since been in two words:

Brett Favre

Favre is playing the best of his career right now. He looks amazing during the last three games.

Just a couple things I'd like to clarify, Buck:
1. I've never shit in a bucket--eeewww,
2. I much prefer smaller horses (or at least skinny ones), and
3. that was a joke.

[cpk1994]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[SkinBasket]

I agree. Packers are winning. Be happy. Save your ire for the Bears, not fellow Packer fans.
Not to fuel the fire, because I agree, but that same sentiment fell on completely deaf ears for months this offseason when so many were certain the shoe would be on the other foot by now.


That's exactly what I was thinking. Some of the same people who were savagely abusing Thompson before the season started are now calling for everyone to be happy because we are winning.

[Scott Campbell]

OK. ENOUGH ALREADY. I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE. I'LL ADMIT IT.

I was wrong about Thompson. Very, very wrong. So wrong, that I shall not make another prediction about his success or lack thereof for at least one entire week.

I especially apologize to Shadow and JH, who I know acknowledge as having the finest football minds on this board. I'd wash and wax their cars if only I lived a little closer.

Humbly, and with a deep sense of shame,

Scott Campbell

[Partial]

It bothers me when users state opinions as facts.

Include an "I think" or an "In my opinion", etc.

[Merlin]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Unfortunately, any criticism of Thompson for posters like you is taken to the extreme. It turns into an all or nothing concept. Also, where were your kind comments about Thompson when we were 4-12? What about 4-8, 5-8? I just love it when people take hindsight and then act like they were full supporters all along. Just because I disagree with his moves doesn't mean that I don't give him some credit. I don't that credit to the extreme like a lot of people are because it isn't warranted. Thompson has done some things right, but he has done many more wrong. He is no Ron Wolf when it comes to judging talent or team needs. Right now you have a QB who is on fire and thankfully he is because our "top 10" defense looks like a bottom 5 one right now. A lot of things have gone right for us to be 4-0. Most of which has had nothing to do with Thompson. Right now, Favre is the one carrying the team. Our tight ends are catching the ball which is a huge improvement over the past two seasons. Somehow, I don't credit our tight ends or Farve's performance on Thompson. Even if we do go 19-0, the only credit Thompson will get from me is that he hired McCarthy. It may be the biggest addition in the Thompson era to the Packers. So far we have gotten a few gems out of the draft. Every GM has those so it isn't that Thompson is a genius in that department. It's the BIG draft picks where he falls miserably short. You know the draft slots where you take a guy who can make an immediate impact? Yeah those ones, he has fallen way short.

[Scott Campbell]

I get it. So now they're winning despite Thompson.

Is it too late to retract my apology?

[Merlin]

In certain terms, yes. But then again, if you bother to read my post instead of taking some whacked out interpretation of it, you will see credit was given for hiring McCarthy. Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team. He has also failed in his judgment of FA talent with few exceptions.

Once again, try reading and digesting an entire post before you make irrational judgments about it.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

My opinion of TT hasn't changed in the least. I knew he was doing a great job with the draft and I knew this team would be better, hence my 11-5 prediction. But at the same time, I still think this team could have been better with some nice free agent moves. How did the running game go from decent last year, to a 1 YPC this year? He wasn't as aggressive as he could have been when it came to finding a good running back.

Also, people say that we are doing good without Moss, and this is true, but we would be crazy good on offense if he was on this team. All because we are good doesn't mean we can't be better.

TT? TT's who I thought he was! He's I thought he was!

I love that press conference :)

[MJZiggy]

In certain terms, yes. But then again, if you bother to read my post instead of taking some whacked out interpretation of it, you will see credit was given for hiring McCarthy. Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team. He has also failed in his judgment of FA talent with few exceptions.

Once again, try reading and digesting an entire post before you make irrational judgments about it.

Then you better make a call, Merlin. Jennings and Jones didn't know they weren't supposed to make an immediate impact. Their bad. I'm sure they'll try to be less productive in the future.

[Merlin]

In certain terms, yes. But then again, if you bother to read my post instead of taking some whacked out interpretation of it, you will see credit was given for hiring McCarthy. Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team. He has also failed in his judgment of FA talent with few exceptions.

Once again, try reading and digesting an entire post before you make irrational judgments about it.

Then you better make a call, Merlin. Jennings and Jones didn't know they weren't supposed to make an immediate impact. Their bad. I'm sure they'll try to be less productive in the future.

Once again, READ before you respond. Giving Thompson credit for finding talent beyond the first or early second round is grossly naive. Every team finds good players who make immediate impact every season after the so called "immediate impact" ones are gone.

Jennings was a late second round pick on the cusp of being an impact player. Jones was a third round pick and in the beginning didn't look to be very good at camp. Both players came in camp knowing they had a shot to be a starting WR and they stepped it up. I don't take anything away from them, not one bit. But to say Thompson was a genius for picking them is extremely naive. I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

I don't know what one has to do to get people to read what is written instead of going off on some wild tangent in a direction that has nothing to do with the comments posted.

Did I say Jennings or Jones was bad? Did I say they should be less productive? No, not even close. Once again, for something like the 4th time now, Thompson does not deserve credit for drafting these types of players simply because any GM in the NFL (Matt Millen as the exception) does the same thing.

If it's all a credit to Thompson, then how's come we have no depth at any position accept the defensive line? How can a rookie running back put up 100 yards in one half on our "Awesome" defense? If the Vikings had any coaching at all, they would have put the ball in Adrian Pederson's hands the entire second half and we would have lost the game the way he was torching us. So I suppose it's Thompson causing the opposing teams to be stupid? How can we rank 32nd in rushing in the NFL? Not Thompson's fault right? Name a Super Bowl team ranked dead last in rushing. Then again, not on Thompson. Sure we are 4-0, we got a lot of lucky breaks in there. Did Thompson create those breaks? Is Thompson directing our offense on the field, reading defenses and being allowed freedom to make a play?

You have to take the good with the bad and right now far too many people have rose colored glasses on and are ignoring our glaring weaknesses. Weaknesses that when exposed will surely not be Thompson's fault because we are 4-0 and he drafted Jennings & Jones.

So YOU make the call. Praise him up and down for the success of the team now and be no where to be found when an offensive coordinator figures out to run the ball against us THE WHOLE GAME, keep our offense off the field, and force Favre into come from behind mode. Then what kind of genius will Thompson be if we lose? Oh wait, I forgot, it will be this player or that player or some call or the coach.

[Deputy Nutz]

In certain terms, yes. But then again, if you bother to read my post instead of taking some whacked out interpretation of it, you will see credit was given for hiring McCarthy. Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team. He has also failed in his judgment of FA talent with few exceptions.

Once again, try reading and digesting an entire post before you make irrational judgments about it.

I guess he misjudged Jennings, Jones, Colledge, Coston, Hawk, Poppinga, Nick Collins. These guys are all Thompson's picks, they all start, and they all contribute to a 4-0 team.

Here is a little new flash, every GM misjudges draft picks, and some of them blow up in their face. Ron Wolf had some poor, very poor first round picks but we idolize the guy because he brought in Favre, signed Reggie White, and put a Super Bowl team together.

The Packers still lack a running game of any significance, I don't think anyone can dispute that, but based on acquired talent at other positions the running game at this point can take a back seat due to Favre's command of the offense, and McCarthy's offensive play design and play calling. Even if the Packers had Ahman Green this week, wait he was hurt again. Ok if the Packers had Travis Henry, wait he is a back up to a 6th rounder in Denver. Shit ok if the Packers had Chris Brown, again back up in Tennessee. Shit who could have ran the ball against the Vikings this week?

When discussing a GM it easy to argue anyway you want because all GMs have success and failure in personel moves, thats just the facts, so you all can continue to argue anyways but then you fail to realize that the Packers are 4-0, and your not a fan of the Chicago Bears.

[Partial]

How can a rookie running back put 100 yards?

By being a dynamite player... He looks like he has the potential to be an all-time great pending his health. Did you watch the game?!?! He looks AMAZING!

We shut down LT (MVP last year), Brian Westbrook (Top 3 in total yards from scrimmage last year), and faced a top 5 offense in New York. Seems like we're doing pretty well.

[MJZiggy]

Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team.

My post was predicated on this statement from your last post. Had nothing to do with any other post you wrote. And I read the whole post. All 3 lines were absurd. He hired McCarthy, but also the majority of players McCarthy coaches.

[SkinBasket]

Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team.


Seems more to me that you've failed in judging how Thompson judges his draft picks.

[cpk1994]

In certain terms, yes. But then again, if you bother to read my post instead of taking some whacked out interpretation of it, you will see credit was given for hiring McCarthy. Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team. He has also failed in his judgment of FA talent with few exceptions.

Once again, try reading and digesting an entire post before you make irrational judgments about it.

Then you better make a call, Merlin. Jennings and Jones didn't know they weren't supposed to make an immediate impact. Their bad. I'm sure they'll try to be less productive in the future.

Once again, READ before you respond. Giving Thompson credit for finding talent beyond the first or early second round is grossly naive. Every team finds good players who make immediate impact every season after the so called "immediate impact" ones are gone.

Jennings was a late second round pick on the cusp of being an impact player. Jones was a third round pick and in the beginning didn't look to be very good at camp. Both players came in camp knowing they had a shot to be a starting WR and they stepped it up. I don't take anything away from them, not one bit. But to say Thompson was a genius for picking them is extremely naive. I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

I don't know what one has to do to get people to read what is written instead of going off on some wild tangent in a direction that has nothing to do with the comments posted.

Did I say Jennings or Jones was bad? Did I say they should be less productive? No, not even close. Once again, for something like the 4th time now, Thompson does not deserve credit for drafting these types of players simply because any GM in the NFL (Matt Millen as the exception) does the same thing.

If it's all a credit to Thompson, then how's come we have no depth at any position accept the defensive line? How can a rookie running back put up 100 yards in one half on our "Awesome" defense? If the Vikings had any coaching at all, they would have put the ball in Adrian Pederson's hands the entire second half and we would have lost the game the way he was torching us. So I suppose it's Thompson causing the opposing teams to be stupid? How can we rank 32nd in rushing in the NFL? Not Thompson's fault right? Name a Super Bowl team ranked dead last in rushing. Then again, not on Thompson. Sure we are 4-0, we got a lot of lucky breaks in there. Did Thompson create those breaks? Is Thompson directing our offense on the field, reading defenses and being allowed freedom to make a play?

You have to take the good with the bad and right now far too many people have rose colored glasses on and are ignoring our glaring weaknesses. Weaknesses that when exposed will surely not be Thompson's fault because we are 4-0 and he drafted Jennings & Jones.

So YOU make the call. Praise him up and down for the success of the team now and be no where to be found when an offensive coordinator figures out to run the ball against us THE WHOLE GAME, keep our offense off the field, and force Favre into come from behind mode. Then what kind of genius will Thompson be if we lose? Oh wait, I forgot, it will be this player or that player or some call or the coach.The part I bolded shows how ignorant you are. Do you not remember all the howling on this board because TT took Jennings and not Chad Jackson? There was many threads about that.

[SkinBasket]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

[Partial]

And then remember when people were shitting bricks around here when he took James Jones "3 rounds too high"??

[Harlan Huckleby]

You will not get any satisfaction or class from those who opposed you in ignorant ways.

Do you think Shadow's post is an example of class?


99% of the posters here are great. I hate contributing to a thread like this because it always seems like we are ripping on 50% of the posters when really it's one or two.

You are right, it was a very few posters who were convinced that Thompson was a crappy GM. But I don't have a big problem with them, they just saw things differently. Most people who criticized Thompson were disagreeing with specific moves/nonmoves, and I think the critics were more often than not correct.

A blowhard is a blowhard. There are blowhards on all sides of any disagreement.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It bothers me when users state opinions as facts.

Include an "I think" or an "In my opinion", etc.

In my opinion, you are off your rocker. I think.

[Carolina_Packer]

Besides, at this point, being in-season, it's really an MM and coaching staff thing, and not a personnel thing.

?

Meaning, that people are/will rip TT for the poor running game, not assembling the talent needed to have a better running game, but there is no personnel move that can be made at this point (most teams do not make big in-season trades anymore), so we are going to have to fix the running game with coaching and practice, and not TT pulling off a personnel move.

[woodbuck27]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Unfortunately, any criticism of Thompson for posters like you is taken to the extreme. It turns into an all or nothing concept. Also, where were your kind comments about Thompson when we were 4-12? What about 4-8, 5-8? I just love it when people take hindsight and then act like they were full supporters all along. Just because I disagree with his moves doesn't mean that I don't give him some credit. I don't that credit to the extreme like a lot of people are because it isn't warranted. Thompson has done some things right, but he has done many more wrong. He is no Ron Wolf when it comes to judging talent or team needs. Right now you have a QB who is on fire and thankfully he is because our "top 10" defense looks like a bottom 5 one right now. A lot of things have gone right for us to be 4-0. Most of which has had nothing to do with Thompson. Right now, Favre is the one carrying the team. Our tight ends are catching the ball which is a huge improvement over the past two seasons. Somehow, I don't credit our tight ends or Favre's performance on Thompson. Even if we do go 19-0, the only credit Thompson will get from me is that he hired McCarthy. It may be the biggest addition in the Thompson era to the Packers. So far we have gotten a few gems out of the draft. Every GM has those so it isn't that Thompson is a genius in that department. It's the BIG draft picks where he falls miserably short. You know the draft slots where you take a guy who can make an immediate impact? Yeah those ones, he has fallen way short.

Now that is an honest and accurate post as I view it all and at the present time.

That is the sort of honesty the people all on the TT your a genius bandwagon cannot refute.

Ted Thompson. . . I at least hope, is still on his learning curve or we are not going to the top.

He is a competent accountant. As a Packer GM I expect so much more fr. him beginning today.

I always hope that he will better our team on a daily basis.

The fact we are 4-0 today despite ** a near invisable running game (worst in the NFL and who is that on Packer fans), has to do with good communication between MM and Favre and some fortunate luck lent to the Packers.

** Quoted fr. other sources:

The truly remarkable thing about Favre and the Packers' success this season is the fact that Green Bay's offense is virtually without a running game. It's Favre and his receivers, and everybody knows it. The Packers ran 20 times for 46 yards against the Vikings, and that will ensure that they remain ranked last in the league in rushing again this week at 54.2 yards per game. End of quote.

4-0 only means that we have won four games. Twelve to go.

There is so much more we have to have go our way to have the season that Brett Favre and other Packer players desire.

As a Packer fan I feel so happy for our players early success and trust that they will contain themselves and carry strength through any upcomig adversity.

GO PACKERS !

[MadtownPacker]

It bothers me when users state opinions as facts.

Include an "I think" or an "In my opinion", etc.

In my opinion, you are off your rocker. I think.You all remind me of pitbulls... :lol:

[retailguy]

OK. ENOUGH ALREADY. I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE. I'LL ADMIT IT.

I was wrong about Thompson. Very, very wrong. So wrong, that I shall not make another prediction about his success or lack thereof for at least one entire week.

I especially apologize to Shadow and JH, who I know acknowledge as having the finest football minds on this board. I'd wash and wax their cars if only I lived a little closer.

Humbly, and with a deep sense of shame,

Scott Campbell

This is really very funny. I laughed out loud. Thanks for improving my outlook on this Crappy Monday.

I vote we rename JH - NOSTRADAMUS, and Shadow - "The old guy who is convinced he knows everything". (edit) Legend in his own mind? <sigh> Somebody with more wit than me want to take a stab?

I'm sure someone with a better mind than me can shorten that a bit.

Week 4 is a bit soon to proclaim victory, meanwhile, I'll watch the Packers and enjoy the games. About week 12 or 13 (most likely), I'll be doing a major mea culpa on Ted the genius (but probably NOT before).

I just want to see 'em play in the rain and snow with no running game 1st. I also remember the 2006 Vikings who were 4-0 before finishing 6-10.... horribly on most of the things they tried to do, except for run defense, but looked like super geniuses in week 4.

Lots of football to play...and hopefully enjoy. I'm delighted with how things have gone, yet concerned with several things, the running game, the run defense, Jarrett Bush, backup safeties, and the seemingly "fragile" health of Al Harris (tho he's been playing and well so far).

Right now, they have things under control, so I'm not griping. Not posting much because I'm busy at work, and you guys really don't want to hear me talk about good things - you'd just throw it in my face and remind me that I really don't like ole' Ted (and I still don't). Doesn't mean he hasn't put together a winner, and I can appreciate the team and not like him, right? Right?

[retailguy]

It bothers me when users state opinions as facts.

Include an "I think" or an "In my opinion", etc.

In my opinion, you are off your rocker. I think.You all remind me of pitbulls... :lol:

Pitbulls? How about "yapping chihuahua's"? :wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

I just want to see 'em play in the rain and snow with no running game 1st. I also remember the 2006 Vikings who were 4-0 before finishing 6-10....

They were 4-2. They were 2-0 and 4-2, but never got more than 2 games above .500.

[Zool]

OK. ENOUGH ALREADY. I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE. I'LL ADMIT IT.

I was wrong about Thompson. Very, very wrong. So wrong, that I shall not make another prediction about his success or lack thereof for at least one entire week.

I especially apologize to Shadow and JH, who I know acknowledge as having the finest football minds on this board. I'd wash and wax their cars if only I lived a little closer.

Humbly, and with a deep sense of shame,

Scott Campbell

This is really very funny. I laughed out loud. Thanks for improving my outlook on this Crappy Monday.

I vote we rename JH - NOSTRADAMUS, and Shadow - "The old guy who is convinced he knows everything". (edit) Legend in his own mind? <sigh> Somebody with more wit than me want to take a stab?

I'm sure someone with a better mind than me can shorten that a bit.

Week 4 is a bit soon to proclaim victory, meanwhile, I'll watch the Packers and enjoy the games. About week 12 or 13 (most likely), I'll be doing a major mea culpa on Ted the genius (but probably NOT before).

I just want to see 'em play in the rain and snow with no running game 1st. I also remember the 2006 Vikings who were 4-0 before finishing 6-10.... horribly on most of the things they tried to do, except for run defense, but looked like super geniuses in week 4.

Lots of football to play...and hopefully enjoy. I'm delighted with how things have gone, yet concerned with several things, the running game, the run defense, Jarrett Bush, backup safeties, and the seemingly "fragile" health of Al Harris (tho he's been playing and well so far).

Right now, they have things under control, so I'm not griping. Not posting much because I'm busy at work, and you guys really don't want to hear me talk about good things - you'd just throw it in my face and remind me that I really don't like ole' Ted (and I still don't). Doesn't mean he hasn't put together a winner, and I can appreciate the team and not like him, right? Right?

WRONG!

Actually whatever, its a message board. Does anything any of us type here really matter in the grand, or even not so grand, scheme of things? Packers could go 16-0 and people who dislike TT would gripe about something. Pack could go 0-16 and people who like TT would find something they liked out of the situation. I'm just watching games cause I realize that no matter how much i like or dislike the GM of the teams I support, I have no say in the matter.

[Carolina_Packer]

Common Ground: Every fan is happy to be 4-0 and we can all agree on that. Every fan should be happy with the passing game, and Brett's leadership to date. Every Fan agrees that the running game is not where it needs to be.

Points of Difference: What role did TT have in orchestrating this 4-0 start? Some say, give him some love and credit for the good he has done. Others say not so fast, he hasn't done as much as we think.

If you're going strictly off record and where we are at right now, you can't have a better record than 4-0. Perhaps you can split the blame for the running game multiple ways. It could be lack of experienced talent, which means we could have been more agressive in getting someone in the off-season last year. It could be the injuries in camp and early in the season, it could be the O-line's execution of the ZBS.

Cause, blame, responsibility (call it what you want) has just as many parents as credit does, if you are being fair-minded. I wish we were in a better way, running game-wise, but we are where we are, and hopefully with some coaching, practice, film study, and player development that can become more than it is, and I think it will. I think MM is coming into his own as a coach, and I think that whatever problems they have can and will be addressed, but by coaching and practice right now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well-stated

[retailguy]

I just want to see 'em play in the rain and snow with no running game 1st. I also remember the 2006 Vikings who were 4-0 before finishing 6-10....

They were 4-2. They were 2-0 and 4-2, but never got more than 2 games above .500.


Judge, The defense rests. :roll:

[woodbuck27]

Common Ground: Every fan is happy to be 4-0 and we can all agree on that. Every fan should be happy with the passing game, and Brett's leadership to date. Every Fan agrees that the running game is not where it needs to be.

Points of Difference: What role did TT have in orchestrating this 4-0 start? Some say, give him some love and credit for the good he has done. Others say not so fast, he hasn't done as much as we think.

If you're going strictly off record and where we are at right now, you can't have a better record than 4-0. Perhaps you can split the blame for the running game multiple ways. It could be lack of experienced talent, which means we could have been more agressive in getting someone in the off-season last year. It could be the injuries in camp and early in the season, it could be the O-line's execution of the ZBS.

Cause, blame, responsibility (call it what you want) has just as many parents as credit does, if you are being fair-minded. I wish we were in a better way, running game-wise, but we are where we are, and hopefully with some coaching, practice, film study, and player development that can become more than it is, and I think it will. I think MM is coming into his own as a coach, and I think that whatever problems they have can and will be addressed, but by coaching and practice right now.

That looks like a solid assessment Carolina_Packer (realistic - given our circumstances).

GO PACKERS.

[Partial]

I see no reasons to count your chickens before they hatch.

Plenty of teams have started like this and folded. I seem to recall the Vikings doing it once under Tice, but then again I could be completely wrong.

Let's just focus on how to beat the Bears. They have a lot of talent and are bound to have an explosive game any week now. Quite frankly, I think this week is far from a gimme (when not factoring in the PR influence on the crowd noise at Lambeau).

[Joemailman]

Is Harvey the new Patler? :D

[Zool]

Im really torn on the Bears game. Would I rather see Wrecks or Greezy?

[Partial]

Im really torn on the Bears game. Would I rather see Wrecks or Greezy?

Orton. It may not have been pretty but he won and didn't turn the ball over much.

[woodbuck27]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

First of all we are people of various backgrounds that love the Packers.

We should not be taking any different views to the extreme of judging or pidgeon holeing. WE are just all Packer fans and Rastak. :)

Just for you to ponder.

Maybe you could examine this silly feud a tad closer before you jump on either band wagon cpk1994.

Just maybe. It is best to remain a neutral and not pick sides or gang on. It will all come out in the wash despite some ruffled feathers that seem to exist at the present time. :)

I will to go out on the edge and inform all on this board, that the people like myself who are afflicted with the accusations of being the hateful are actually quite the opposite.

We want a win - win for all Packer fans.

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.

For our Packer team GM Ted Thompson to do something more not less.

I see it in terms of the big picture and major goal of winning as Brett Favre does. The duty of the Packer GM is to do all he can to ensure a status of consistency in winning as well as maintain financial restraint for our teams future.

Not all one way or the other.

The chief reason that some here have stood against Ted Thompson is that we feel he should take advantage of the fact we still have Brett Favre. Have encouraged more talent (experience) in our offense and specifically at the position of obvious concern, Runningback.

I would be the last person to rub it in a mans face.

I will not argue.

I felt our running game would be weaker and that is the way it appears to be. Ted Thompson went with the status quo after encouraging Ahman Green to change loyalities. I felt that he ran too high of a risk to make that assessment.

We have the worst running game in the NFL. Why is that now. . .

Some of us could see that from a long way off but Ted Thompson did not or is it something else in Ted Thompson . . .

That is the root of the debate.

[Zool]

Im really torn on the Bears game. Would I rather see Wrecks or Greezy?

Orton. It may not have been pretty but he won and didn't turn the ball over much.

Why exactly would I want that?

[Scott Campbell]

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.


These kind of statements remind me of when I bought my second car when I was about 19. I remember dealing with the used car salesman "Honest Bill Kowalski". He kept telling me how he would never steer me wrong.

[cpk1994]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

First of all we are people of various backgrounds that love the Packers.

We should not be taking any different views to the extreme of judging or pidgeon holeing. WE are just all Packer fans and Rastak. :)

Just for you to ponder.

Maybe you could examine this silly feud a tad closer before you jump on either band wagon cpk1994.

Just maybe. It is best to remain a neutral and not pick sides or gang on. It will all come out in the wash despite some ruffled feathers at hthe present time. :)

I will to go out on the edge and imform all on this board, that the people like myself who are afflicted with the accusations of being the hateful are actually quite the opposite.

We want a win - win for all Packer fans.

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.

For our Packer team GM Ted Thompson to do something more not less.

I see it in terms of the big picture and major goal of winning as Brett Favre does. The duty of the Packer GM is to do all he can to ensure a status of consistency in winning as well as maintain financial restraint for our teams future.

Not all one way or the other.

The chief reason that some here have stood against Ted Thompson is that we feel he should take advantage of the fact we still have Brett Favre. Have encouraged more talent (experience) in our offence and specifically at the position of obvious concern, Runningback.

I would be the last person to rub it in a mans face. I will not argue.

I felt our running game would be weaker and that is the way it appears to be. Ted Thompson went with the status quo after encouraging Ahman Green to change loyalities. I felt that he ran too high of a risk to make that assessment.

We have the worst running game in the NFL. Why is that now. . .

Some of us could see that from a long way off but Ted Thompson did not or is it something else in Ted Thompson . . .

That is the root of the debate.

Fact based? PULEEEEEZE. Anyway, I merely stated the fact that it is hypocritcal of you to call someone a villiage idiot for raining on the parade of others when you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, the fact that you have an obsession with Moss and can't get over it. You continue to take shots at TT for not signing Moss in every thread you post it in, even when the topic isn't about either. It is getting old, boring, repetitve and stupid. You hate TT and are mad the Pack didn't sign Moss. We get it. NOW GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and once again, 4-0 with out your boy Moss.

[MJZiggy]

Is Harvey the new Patler? :D

There is only one Patler. Just as there is only one Harv.

[retailguy]

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.


These kind of statements remind me of when I bought my second car when I was about 19. I remember dealing with the used car salesman "Honest Bill Kowalski". He kept telling me how he would never steer me wrong.

:shock: "Honest Bill" steered me wrong?! Say it ain't so! :wink:

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ziggy at night:

"God bless mommy and daddy and Harvey and Patler......"

[retailguy]

Ziggy at night:

"God bless mommy and daddy and Harvey and Patler......"

"and please bring me a superbowl win for Christmas...."

[MJZiggy]

Ziggy at night:

"God bless mommy and daddy and Harvey and Patler......"

"and please bring me a superbowl win for Christmas...."

See now this last part I agree with. Harlan don't be all like that. You're unique as well.

[esoxx]

Too much hate in here.

[ZachMN]

o.k. I'm going to get ripped on this BUT

As good as 4-0 is, its not like there arent a bunch of teams who only have one loss. We are doing very well and have a kick ass coach and young, hungry players and a qb who , I have to admit, keeps pulling rabbits out of hats.

All that being said we are not over the hump but its nice to have these wins. We need to COUGH bear down and keep our noses to the grindstone. Its s long season and we are not out of the woods.

All the whille I will enjoy the ride that number 4 keeps taking me on.

Thanks, Brett, your the best ;)

Zach MN

[retailguy]

o.k. I'm going to get ripped on this BUT

As good as 4-0 is, its not like there arent a bunch of teams who only have one loss. We are doing very well and have a kick ass coach and young, hungry players and a qb who , I have to admit, keeps pulling rabbits out of hats.

All that being said we are not over the hump but its nice to have these wins. We need to COUGH bear down and keep our noses to the grindstone. Its s long season and we are not out of the woods.

All the whille I will enjoy the ride that number 4 keeps taking me on.

Thanks, Brett, your the best ;)

Zach MN


This post illustrates the issue PERFECTLY. Zach, I'm not ripping on you! Not one bit.

All - The VERY reason he has to start this post with the words "I'm going to get "ripped" on this, but" says it all!

You cannot state a negative OPINION or FACT in these rooms without getting bashed. The win streak has made this WORSE, not better. Until some in here acknowledge that they have no room to even LISTEN to another opinion, NOTHING will change.

Read his words. Then look in the mirror. (I've already done that, I'm not preaching.).....

[Zool]

I would think that the majority of the people in here read most of the posts and do not reply. Those people are, and have been, the cautiously optimistic people.

[retailguy]

I would think that the majority of the people in here read most of the posts and do not reply. Those people are, and have been, the cautiously optimistic people.

I completely agree, and since Zach has 72 posts (to date), that probably indicates he is one of the "cautiously optimistic".

But he's also read enough to know that if he actually "posts" anything remotely negative (instead of just thinking it), he needs to put on his flak jacket, and acknowledge that he'll be bashed for his opinion, and to me THAT is the clear message.

That was my point. Sorry if that was not clear.

[MJZiggy]

You don't think someone who wants to post something positive goes through the same thing? If you post something at either polar end (and I'm not saying Zach did) it's the exact same thing. But the funny thing you might wanna notice is that NO ONE has put forth any kind of argument about what he said because it's not unreasonable. I, for one, quite agree with it.

[Partial]

I would think that the majority of the people in here read most of the posts and do not reply. Those people are, and have been, the cautiously optimistic people.

I completely agree, and since Zach has 72 posts (to date), that probably indicates he is one of the "cautiously optimistic".

But he's also read enough to know that if he actually "posts" anything remotely negative (instead of just thinking it), he needs to put on his flak jacket, and acknowledge that he'll be bashed for his opinion, and to me THAT is the clear message.

That was my point. Sorry if that was not clear.

Not true. I think Darren Colledge sucks and I am not at all worried about catching flack for it because I am convinced he is awful. It doesn't take away from the success of the team or mean that the team sucks, though. The team can still be great and have a terrible player on it. Not every team has a pro-bowler at every position. Hell, the Pats and Cowboys even have some BAD players starting for them.

The thing that ticks people off is when there is mention of the team being bad when they're 4-0. Clearly, they're looking good and are on the upswing. There will always be things they can improve on. That's why the so far invincible Patriots still practice during the week.

[Zool]

I would think that the majority of the people in here read most of the posts and do not reply. Those people are, and have been, the cautiously optimistic people.

I completely agree, and since Zach has 72 posts (to date), that probably indicates he is one of the "cautiously optimistic".

But he's also read enough to know that if he actually "posts" anything remotely negative (instead of just thinking it), he needs to put on his flak jacket, and acknowledge that he'll be bashed for his opinion, and to me THAT is the clear message.

That was my point. Sorry if that was not clear.

I agreed with you, just adding on i spose. I wouldnt agree with the "remotely negative" part tho. I'm probably seen as one of the optimists, but Ive posted plenty of negatives without getting bashed too hard. Just cant keep beating the dead horse without someone lashing out.

[Carolina_Packer]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

First of all we are people of various backgrounds that love the Packers.

We should not be taking any different views to the extreme of judging or pidgeon holeing. WE are just all Packer fans and Rastak. :)

Just for you to ponder.

Maybe you could examine this silly feud a tad closer before you jump on either band wagon cpk1994.

Just maybe. It is best to remain a neutral and not pick sides or gang on. It will all come out in the wash despite some ruffled feathers at hthe present time. :)

I will to go out on the edge and imform all on this board, that the people like myself who are afflicted with the accusations of being the hateful are actually quite the opposite.

We want a win - win for all Packer fans.

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.

For our Packer team GM Ted Thompson to do something more not less.

I see it in terms of the big picture and major goal of winning as Brett Favre does. The duty of the Packer GM is to do all he can to ensure a status of consistency in winning as well as maintain financial restraint for our teams future.

Not all one way or the other.

The chief reason that some here have stood against Ted Thompson is that we feel he should take advantage of the fact we still have Brett Favre. Have encouraged more talent (experience) in our offence and specifically at the position of obvious concern, Runningback.

I would be the last person to rub it in a mans face. I will not argue.

I felt our running game would be weaker and that is the way it appears to be. Ted Thompson went with the status quo after encouraging Ahman Green to change loyalities. I felt that he ran too high of a risk to make that assessment.

We have the worst running game in the NFL. Why is that now. . .

Some of us could see that from a long way off but Ted Thompson did not or is it something else in Ted Thompson . . .

That is the root of the debate.

Mr. Nail please meet Mr. Head...Wham! :clap:

I think TT got caught off-guard with this one. He must have thought we were good enough, otherwise, we'd have different personnel now. I know people talk about last off-season, and getting a running back, etc., but really that was painting ourselves into a corner. We either choose one of the available running backs and Harvey has argued well that there weren't a lot of great options. TT obviously saw it the same way. So, what could have been done to prevent this? Draft more high-caliber running back talent, instead of always going with the undrafted free agents or little-tested talent. We could have drafted someone back in 2005 or 2006 and had them in our system ready to assume the reigns if/when we decided to let Ahman walk. Take away all the talent acquired this year (Jackson, Wynn and Grant...sounds like a firm) and you have P.J. Pope, Arliss Beach and Vernand Morency. There are no guarantees, but isn't the idea of the draft to stock up before the need arrives (ala Justin Harrell)? So far, we have only drafted RB's in the 2007 draft, after we knew Ahman was leaving. Seems too reactive.

Here are two players we could have drafted in recent drafts. In 2005, Terence Murphy was an unfortunate accident for sure, however a few picks after him, SF took Frank Gore...ouch for that miss. In 2006, in the 4th round, we took Cory "Shoot 'Em Up!" Rodgers who busted. A few picks after, the Jets picked Leon Washington. Gore is a stud, and Washington isn't great, but he flashes. All I'm saying is, we could have invested a little more from TT's first draft on to enures the future of the running game instead of getting caught off-guard by the departure of Ahman Green. That is not to slam Vernand Morency or any of the backs we have. It's more about succession and preparedness. We have prepared for Brett's departure for the last few years with A-Rod. We knew when Ahman's contract was up, so why didn't we sign a serious replacement back in 2005 or 2006? I think the cupboard was a little bare, and it left us in a position to have to rely on too much inexperience.

Sure, that's picking nits at 4-0, but it's a big nit! He should have taken even greater care to ensure the stability of the RB position, instead of rolling the dice with inexperienced guys who may not have been ready to help us. If not through free agency, which I fully understand, if there's nobody there you like, so be it. However, if draft and develop is your M.O., then give the running game it's due for draft picks in advance of your stud running back leaving town. I think he just got caught flat-footed and should see things like this 2-3 years out. Maybe it's just me.

I love this team, and I want to see it thrive, not sputter as a result of not being able to run the ball. If they can go the entire season and not have a running game and win a lot of games and go deep in the playoffs, it will be an amazing accomplishment. But to me, this is a problem that could have been solved before it ever happenend, and given what he saw happen to the RB position in 2005, I'm surprised he didn't draft an RB in 2006.

[Bretsky]

Too much hate in here.

:drma: :drma:

Best to just eat the popcorn and hope the thread fizzles.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to know this thread would lead to plenty of quarrels from the second you saw the title.

[retailguy]

I agreed with you, just adding on i spose. I wouldnt agree with the "remotely negative" part tho. I'm probably seen as one of the optimists, but Ive posted plenty of negatives without getting bashed too hard. Just cant keep beating the dead horse without someone lashing out.

Actually, I used remotely negative purposely and here's why:

You have two examples from above that state they didn't have a problem with what Zach said (Ziggy & Partial). If they had an issue they'd have weighed in. Then someone else would have had an issue to what they said and chimed in too. Then it gets repeated adinfinitum...

If you have an opinion, not shared by the majority of posters/readers/responders, you'll hear about it many, many, many times. The more negative/gloomy/or repeated, the more the responses. After the multiple responses, and some banter from the original poster about why they believed they were correct, or why they thought what they did, then one of the responders will "brand" you with the negative label, and on and on and on it goes. From that point on, EVERYTHING that person said is viewed through those glasses. Hence, the "majority" keeps the "minority" in line with it's viewpoint, and teaches them not to speak freely, or worse educates them that if they do speak, there is a cost to be paid in the form of ridicule (which was the purpose of Shadow's topic to begin with). It also seems to be teaching others (less frequent posters) to "judge" what they can say, and what they cannot say.

Somewhat the nature of forums perhaps, but also, there is a piece where "likeminded" folks like to hear that they, and their opinion, are in fact correct. No one likes to be wrong, but sometimes when you talk about your opinions, you are in fact wrong, that's why they call it an opinion... lol

Don't believe me? Revert to the original post, and Shadow's basic point - I WAS CORRECT and the rest of you fools just didn't believe me. IT IS WEEK FOUR, for heavens sake. Lots can still happen, however, but Shadow decided that TODAY, all of those "negativists" need to own up to the "facts" right now, no more waiting because it's clear. We don't need to watch the team play the other 12 games, because today at 4-0 his "opinion" is forever validated, even if the team goes off the ski slope and ends the year at 4-12, I guess...

But lets not lose sight of the original point, a poster with 72 posts and some significant time here as a member "felt" he was going to get bashed for saying something most of us think is reasonable. How many others KEEP SILENT because of the same perspective? This is my concern. I had a permanent flak jacket installed six months ago, and I'll always be covered in teflon the way it looks, and that's fine, you can't keep me from telling you over and over and over what I think. Sadly, you won't lose me, I'll still be here. But, how many have posted, been bashed/branded/ridiculed/contridicted never to return because it is just not worth it?

I just want to hear what more people like Zach think, and less about what people like Shadow and JH think. It looks like Zach's discussion is missing and not likely to return any time soon.

[woodbuck27]

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.


These kind of statements remind me of when I bought my second car when I was about 19. I remember dealing with the used car salesman "Honest Bill Kowalski". He kept telling me how he would never steer me wrong.

I am no car salesman Scott. Simply a concerned Packer fan that can see clearly that we need more fr. our GM for a secured future.

GO PACK GO !

[PackerBlues]

Well golly......wish I would have gotten to this post sooner. :roll:


I do not think anyone should be taking an "I told you so" point of view on anyone else right now. People who were upset with Thompson had reasons to be.


You can start with the running game. I was one of the people bitching about Thompson not improving the running game. Certain people said screw it, because they had faith that Thompson knew what he was doing, and the running game would be ok. Those same people are now upset, that the Packers do not have the running game they thought we would have. In my opinion, we were all right, and wrong at the same time. I think Thompson was ok with the running game being half-ass, because he was planning on having Favre carry the load with a pass-heavy Offense. I think it's working great, and I could care less about the run game now.


Another thing some people were pissed at Thompson about, was Randy Moss. While some of us wanted Moss for his big play potential, his veteran skills, and depth, others said they did not want him because he was washed up, to costly, and a locker room nightmare. Looks like us "Thompson Bashers" were right to want Moss. Thing is, we really do not seem to need him. So again, everyone was right and wrong at the same time, in one way or another.


I think that a lot of us are awful damned happy with what this team has accomplished so far. I do not think anyone would have thought that our Packers would be 4-0 right now, without a run game, and using a Pass-Heavy Offense. Not one singe one of the "Thompson Supporters" ever suggested that what we have now is what they expected all along. I think if anyone would have suggested that Thompson was building the Offense the way he was........to build what we have now, they would have been laughed out of the forums. I am so freaking pleasantly surprised with our Offense, that I am shocked that it is all because of a guy that I spent the entire pre-season bashing. If this is what Thompson had planned all along, putting so much trust in Favre, ..............wow, I am impressed, and I do have new found respect for Thompson. (I still want Moss!!! :twisted: )

[the_idle_threat]

I think Shadow and JH can be excessively combative at times, but all in all I enjoy reading what they think.

Some of the folks on the other side of the debate can be very in-your-face at times also, including those who Shadow was calling out here. That being said, they add to the diversity of opinion in this forum, and they give as good as they get, so I don't see a problem.

I'm not too worried about those who are (supposedly) too meek to post because they're over-sensitive regarding criticism. If they can't take the heat, they'll stay out of the kitchen. If we baby-proof this place, it will get pretty boring pretty fast.

[the_idle_threat]

Well golly......wish I would have gotten to this post sooner. :roll:


I do not think anyone should be taking an "I told you so" point of view on anyone else right now. People who were upset with Thompson had reasons to be.


You can start with the running game. I was one of the people bitching about Thompson not improving the running game. Certain people said screw it, because they had faith that Thompson knew what he was doing, and the running game would be ok. Those same people are now upset, that the Packers do not have the running game they thought we would have. In my opinion, we were all right, and wrong at the same time. I think Thompson was ok with the running game being half-ass, because he was planning on having Favre carry the load with a pass-heavy Offense. I think it's working great, and I could care less about the run game now.


Another thing some people were pissed at Thompson about, was Randy Moss. While some of us wanted Moss for his big play potential, his veteran skills, and depth, others said they did not want him because he was washed up, to costly, and a locker room nightmare. Looks like us "Thompson Bashers" were right to want Moss. Thing is, we really do not seem to need him. So again, everyone was right and wrong at the same time, in one way or another.


I think that a lot of us are awful damned happy with what this team has accomplished so far. I do not think anyone would have thought that our Packers would be 4-0 right now, without a run game, and using a Pass-Heavy Offense. Not one singe one of the "Thompson Supporters" ever suggested that what we have now is what they expected all along. I think if anyone would have suggested that Thompson was building the Offense the way he was........to build what we have now, they would have been laughed out of the forums. I am so freaking pleasantly surprised with our Offense, that I am shocked that it is all because of a guy that I spent the entire pre-season bashing. If this is what Thompson had planned all along, putting so much trust in Favre, ..............wow, I am impressed, and I do have new found respect for Thompson. (I still want Moss!!! :twisted: )

PB=The voice of reason? :shock: :P :bclap:

[Partial]

You have two examples from above that state they didn't have a problem with what Zach said (Ziggy & Partial). If they had an issue they'd have weighed in. Then someone else would have had an issue to what they said and chimed in too. Then it gets repeated adinfinitum...

If you have an opinion, not shared by the majority of posters/readers/responders, you'll hear about it many, many, many times. The more negative/gloomy/or repeated, the more the responses.

Bitching and moaning gets very, very old after awhile. You have taken the same sarcastic approach that rubs people the wrong way all off-season and now into the season. Everyone makes their own persona here. Whether you're a negativist or a kool-aid drinking SOG(son of a gun) like Nick Collins, you'll hear about it either way.

People get consistently torn down when they keep bitching about the same damn thing and not saying anything constructive at all. Your sarcastic fashion certainly affects posters opinions and it puts that negative spotlight on yourself.

Essentially, you are what you make yourself out to be. You're looked at as a TT hater because thats how your posts come across. Whether thats your intention or not, perception is everything. It's not like you made one snide comment once. You did multiple times a day, day in and day out without acknowledging the good that goes with the bad.

Just to play devil's advocate, by saying it is jumping to conclusions that we're a good team after 4 weeks, it should also be considered jumping to conclusions that letting green walk, the concerns about our running game, etc are all a bit premature this season. After all, we've only played 4 games. Guys that would rather watch football and break it down than bitch about it like myself and I suspect Harv have reason to believe based on what we've seen that we may end up being a pretty solid running team when all is said and done.

[retailguy]

I think Shadow and JH can be excessively combative at times, but all in all I enjoy reading what they think.

Some of the folks on the other side of the debate can be very in-your-face at times also, including those who Shadow was calling out here. That being said, they add to the diversity of opinion in this forum, and they give as good as they get, so I don't see a problem.

I'm not too worried about those who are (supposedly) too meek to post because they're over-sensitive regarding criticism. If they can't take the heat, they'll stay out of the kitchen. If we baby-proof this place, it will get pretty boring pretty fast.

I'm not talking about "baby proofing" one bit, but I think you know that. There is a point of being civil and courteous that has disappeared, or is rapidly disapearing. I don't think most of us would refer to "civility" as baby proofing.

I've done the best I know how to leave the "drama" out of my posts above. I do not know if I've succeeded as I have some strong views on the topic.

Here is a real example. JH has told me multiple times that my "sarcasm" ticks him off. I guess he can't help himself when my take on something "reeks" of sarcasm. I'm not changing, it's how I view the situation, and he's not changing, for probably the same reasons, but somewhere we've lost respect for each other. I have ZERO respect left for him or his opinions. I try hard to ignore what he says, UNLESS, he comes after me or my point of view. Then I respond. I'm sure it is the same for others.

But, if you've read what Packer Blues has to say above, then you know that we can be right, and wrong. I've taken more heat for my perspective on Ahman Green than any other member of this forum. I was bitching about it on March 3rd and haven't really changed my opinion since that day.

I was right, and I was wrong. I was convinced we would not be able to run the ball, and to week 4 I've been correct. I was equally convinced that we'd be affected by not being able to run the ball. To week 4, I've been wrong about that and 4-0 indicates that. But, we've got 12 games yet to play and BOTH of those perspectives might yet change. Talk to Shadow, or JH, though, and I'm a damn negative fool who couldn't see, much less hit, the broad side of the barn. Talk to me, and I'll tell you that they don't understand that you can't win sustained over a longer period WITHOUT running. Who is right? We'll see, won't we? :wink:

[arcilite]

I would think that the majority of the people in here read most of the posts and do not reply. Those people are, and have been, the cautiously optimistic people.


That is me.... even though I have loved TT from day one.

[The Shadow]

[quote=Zool]

Hence, the "majority" keeps the "minority" in line with it's viewpoint, and teaches them not to speak freely, or worse educates them that if they do speak, there is a cost to be paid in 1. the form of ridicule (which was the purpose of Shadow's topic to begin with). It also seems to be teaching others (less frequent posters) to "judge" what they can say, and what they cannot say.


Don't believe me? Revert to the original post, and Shadow's basic point - 2. I WAS CORRECT and the rest of you fools just didn't believe me. IT IS WEEK FOUR, for heavens sake. Lots can still happen, however, but Shadow decided that TODAY, all of those "negativists" need to own up to the "facts" right now, no more waiting because it's clear. We don't need to watch the team play the other 12 games, because today at 4-0 his "opinion" is forever validated, even if the team goes off the ski slope and ends the year at 4-12, I guess...

1. Nope. Not ridiculing anyone. Just countering the months of TT-bashing on every single move the guy makes - while never giving him an iota of credit for the team's development.
Someone even actually claimed in an earlier post that it was Brett Favre ALONE who was solely responsible for the team's success.
I am simply pointing out that many of us reserve the right to disagree with the single-minded Thompson haters who can't stand to see his plan for the team successfully folding.
Of COURSE it's early - but does not 4-0 seem infinitely better than 0-4?

2. Nonsense. I am not alone. Many, many of us have refused to kowtow to the blind, vitriolic TT hate when our eyes and ears could plainly see the team was improving. It is only right and fair that the bleating of the chronic negatives is allowed to be countered by a reminder of the facts.

[bbbffl66]

I said it last week, and I'll say it again. I was apparently wrong about TT. But not getting Moss still bothers me! :twisted:

[Zool]

What bothers me is the running game. I lay it about 50/50 on the oline and the RB's. In the NFL backs have to make someone miss, and the Oline has to open holes. Maybe the ZBS isnt the way to go, or maybe losing Jagz is hurting us more than we know in the run game. He was supposed to be the man to teach it.

The problem I always had with Moss is what does he do if the team he's on starts losing?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Some of the folks on the other side of the debate can be very in-your-face at times

wait ... which side is that? is the other side like the opposite sex?


If we baby-proof this place, it will get pretty boring pretty fast.

well, maybe putting covers over the electric outlets wouldn't be a bad idea. somebody libel to stick a fork or tongue in there.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The problem I always had with Moss is what does he do if the team he's on starts losing?

ya, that's true. but a risk worth taking for the Pats. Or the Packers.

[the_idle_threat]

I'm not talking about "baby proofing" one bit, but I think you know that. There is a point of being civil and courteous that has disappeared, or is rapidly disapearing. I don't think most of us would refer to "civility" as baby proofing.


Fair enough.

I agree that we sometimes lose track of civility on this board and it's a shame when it happens. But I think this board is better than most at getting back on track. Just about everyone here makes a post with a hard edge to it once in a while, but for the most part we have a sense of community here that brings things around.

The "baby-proofing" idea comes from the rather hypothetical idea that we have lurkers here who are afraid to post for fear of being mocked and ridiculed. I don't buy it, or perhaps a better way to put it is that I think this board is better than any other I've seen at welcoming new viewpoints rather than squashing them. We're not perfect, but who is?

[MJZiggy]

Some of the folks on the other side of the debate can be very in-your-face at times

wait ... which side is that? is the other side like the opposite sex?

No, the opposite sex is much cuter. :wink:

[woodbuck27]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

First of all we are people of various backgrounds that love the Packers.

We should not be taking any different views to the extreme of judging or pidgeon holeing. WE are just all Packer fans and Rastak. :)

Just for you to ponder.

Maybe you could examine this silly feud a tad closer before you jump on either band wagon cpk1994.

Just maybe. It is best to remain a neutral and not pick sides or gang on. It will all come out in the wash despite some ruffled feathers at hthe present time. :)

I will to go out on the edge and imform all on this board, that the people like myself who are afflicted with the accusations of being the hateful are actually quite the opposite.

We want a win - win for all Packer fans.

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.

For our Packer team GM Ted Thompson to do something more not less.

I see it in terms of the big picture and major goal of winning as Brett Favre does. The duty of the Packer GM is to do all he can to ensure a status of consistency in winning as well as maintain financial restraint for our teams future.

Not all one way or the other.

The chief reason that some here have stood against Ted Thompson is that we feel he should take advantage of the fact we still have Brett Favre. Have encouraged more talent (experience) in our offence and specifically at the position of obvious concern, Runningback.

I would be the last person to rub it in a mans face. I will not argue.

I felt our running game would be weaker and that is the way it appears to be. Ted Thompson went with the status quo after encouraging Ahman Green to change loyalities. I felt that he ran too high of a risk to make that assessment.

We have the worst running game in the NFL. Why is that now. . .

Some of us could see that from a long way off but Ted Thompson did not or is it something else in Ted Thompson . . .

That is the root of the debate.

Fact based? PULEEEEEZE. Anyway, I merely stated the fact that it is hypocritcal of you to call someone a villiage idiot for raining on the parade of others when you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, the fact that you have an obsession with Moss and can't get over it. You continue to take shots at TT for not signing Moss in every thread you post it in, even when the topic isn't about either. It is getting old, boring, repetitve and stupid. You hate TT and are mad the Pack didn't sign Moss. We get it. NOW GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and once again, 4-0 with out your boy Moss.

OK so here it lies and it seems that you want to take this to the personal in the full view of the forum.

Is that correct Packer fan. . .

and by the way. . .

Just exactly where in this thread do I make any reference to TT not landing Randy Moss (question mark). I believe that the conversation in this thread has been confined to the fact our running game really is nowhere cpk1994. Not landing Moss only supports an argument that TT cannot exercise assertiveness or conviction in acquiring really potential talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Just what does last place in the NFL in rushing suggest to you Packer fan. . .

That TT was correct or incorrect about not going after any other RB because it was his assessment that what he had was adequate.

You tell me please where I am wrong here.

[woodbuck27]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.

This is a time when all here should be celebrating our good fortunes, not attempting to sabotage any poster that believes different from another based in the past good or bad decisions of the Packer GM.

Calling out another member here over an issue of management positions or style (in our past) when we are on top of the NFLN, and tied with NE and Indy at 4-0 . . . . Excuse me.

That is wrong at this time to call out anyone that deserves a different view than any other here. That is over the top accusation or persecution that borders on the ridiculous.

If there are any members of this board that believe that members here have no right of disappointment over Ted Thompson and his ways then you are mistaken.

I have every right to hope for change in Ted Thompson while retaining disappintment after disappointment as a result of my teams GM. it is common sense that we have ZILCH in our offensive backfield at RB.

[The Shadow]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.

This is a time when all here should be celebrating our good fortunes, not attempting to sabotage any poster that believes different from another based in the past good or bad decisions of the Packer GM.

Calling out another member here over an issue of management positions or style (in our past) when we are on top of the NFLN, and tied with NE and Indy at 4-0 . . . . Excuse me.

That is wrong at this time to call out anyone that deserves a different view than any other here. That is over the top accusation or persecution that borders on the ridiculous.

If there are any members of this board that believe that members here have no right of disappointment over Ted Thompson and his ways then you are mistaken.

I have every right to hope for change in Ted Thompson while retaining disappintment after disappointment as a result of my teams GM. it is common sense that we have ZILCH in our offensive backfield at RB.

Persecution????
Throttle back a bit on the drama there, Laurence Olivier!

[son of a vic]

99% of the posters here are great. I hate contributing to a thread like this because it always seems like we are ripping on 50% of the posters when really it's one or two.

Well, I'm sure that the "one or two" includes me. Whatever. If you "hate" contributing, why not just move on and not post? Your post reeks of insincerity. You very much enjoy jabbing your fingers into others eyes.

Tis still early in the season... Lets just enjoy one week at a time and see what happens, ok?

shadow - Good things come to those who are patient and wait. Bad things come to those with bad motives. enjoy the wins, if us "Ted bashers" need to apologize and seek forgiveness from the many relatives of Nostradamus who have settled here, there will be PLENTY of time... Patience.


This is somewhat surreal. Two years ago Retail thought I was the anti-christ, because I was calling for Sherm's head. Now he has a hard on for Ted, for supposedly being a "lyin' prick", and other opinions based on nothing more than than his hatred for the man. Oh how thee worm has turned.

[SkinBasket]

No shit. Here we go again with the majority versus the minority nonsense. Persecution! Witch hunts! Inquisitions!

If you have an opinion that is in the minority, don't blame the majority for responding to you. The reason people with opinions in the minority get "ganged up on" is because there are many, many more people with a differing opinion, thus the term MAJORITY, than there are those with a similar opinion, thus the term MINORITY, not because there is some grand conspiracy to silence unpopular opinions.

Why does this always have to be about "popularity" and "majorities" and claims of forced conformity instead of what it is about - someone's stupid opinion that a lot of other people happen to not agree with?


Don't believe me? Revert to the original post, and Shadow's basic point - 2. I WAS CORRECT and the rest of you fools just didn't believe me. IT IS WEEK FOUR, for heavens sake. Lots can still happen, however, but Shadow decided that TODAY, all of those "negativists" need to own up to the "facts" right now, no more waiting because it's clear. We don't need to watch the team play the other 12 games, because today at 4-0 his "opinion" is forever validated, even if the team goes off the ski slope and ends the year at 4-12, I guess...

Or it could be that all the people who were calling him an idiot, among other things, decided that BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED, was when all the optimists needed to "own up to the 'facts.'" And maybe the people who had to listen to post after post about how fucking doomed this team was are saying, "Hey, guess what? We're 4-0 bitches!" because it supports their argument that Thompson is trying to build a winning team.

And don't tell me that if we were 0-4 right now all the "negetivists" wouldn't be doing the same goddamn thing.

[Partial]

While he's a bit unorthodox, I find myself often times agreeing with Skin.

[SkinBasket]

While he's a bit unorthodox, I find myself often times agreeing with Skin.

Are we going to hug when we meet? I remind you, I have pointy hips.

[Partial]

While he's a bit unorthodox, I find myself often times agreeing with Skin.

Are we going to hug when we meet? I remind you, I have pointy hips.

I suspect we will

[RashanGary]

Great summary, skinbasket.

[Lurker64]

I don't really like this "Us vs. Them" stuff.

Clearly, some of the players that Thompson had faith in that most of us didn't have surprised us pleasantly. We should all be happy about that, and Thompson deserves some credit for having faith in these guys. I freely admit to being very pleasantly surprised with Bigby and the TE play, notably.

Clearly, some things aren't working as well as they could or should, and some blame probably should be distributed between the coaches, talent, and GM. I fully expected the run blocking of the OL to be a lot better than it has been, notably.

Regardless, we should all be happy that we're 4-0 and arguing about the GM during the season is silly and pointless. General Managers don't do much during the season, and until the season's over it's a little to early to fully grade out their plan. A man that could see the future would probably have set up this team better than Ted Thompson did. But regardless, Ted built a team that's undefeated through a quarter of the season and he at least deserves credit for not screwing that up.

But how the Packers do the rest of the season is a lot more on Mike McCarthy than it is on Ted Thompson. Give Ted a break, we fight about him during the offseason. Until we lose a game, let's not even bother fighting during the season.

[Scott Campbell]

I've done the best I know how to leave the "drama" out of my posts above. I do not know if I've succeeded as I have some strong views on the topic.


I've noticed the effort.

[ZachMN]

Let me just say this, I will never shy away from saying anything, I can take a beating; I just didn't want to be seen a pessemistic about the start. I just feel as if some of the fans are getting ahead of the season. A lot can change and we need a running game badly. But, that beign said, anything can happen and if we have to throw our way to the playoffs, so be it.

I think TT is doing an awesome job. No GM is perfect, look at how many first round busts threr are and how many 5, 6, and 7th round picks do very well. But for me, he struck gold with this coach. MM hasgot something that Sherman didn't have.

I'm excited but trying to remain grounded. I hope we see deep playoffs, title game vs Dallas perhaps?

[MadtownPacker]

You hombres need to understand there is only one gang here and that is PackerRats!!

Sometimes WE do this: :soap:

or even this: :duel:


But when it comes to the Packers WE all do this:
:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

So is this thread still about football?

[Partial]

You hombres need to understand there is only one gang here and that is PackerRats!!

Sometimes WE do this: :soap:

or even this: :duel:


But when it comes to the Packers WE all do this:
:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

So is this thread still about football?

And on Saturday we will do this :glug: :jig: :alc: :smk:

And on Sunday, Ted Thompson will be an afterthought, we'll all be doing this :five: :cow: :clap: :bow:

[Lurker64]

And on Sunday, Ted Thompson will be an afterthought, we'll all be doing this :five: :cow: :clap: :bow:

If certain complaining JSO writers are to be believed, Ted will likely be joining us in that thought.

[MJZiggy]

Good for him. He'll have a lot to cheer about! He can look at the journalists and say :knll: while we party in the stands.

[PackerTimer]

I agreed with you, just adding on i spose. I wouldnt agree with the "remotely negative" part tho. I'm probably seen as one of the optimists, but Ive posted plenty of negatives without getting bashed too hard. Just cant keep beating the dead horse without someone lashing out.

Actually, I used remotely negative purposely and here's why:

You have two examples from above that state they didn't have a problem with what Zach said (Ziggy & Partial). If they had an issue they'd have weighed in. Then someone else would have had an issue to what they said and chimed in too. Then it gets repeated adinfinitum...

If you have an opinion, not shared by the majority of posters/readers/responders, you'll hear about it many, many, many times. The more negative/gloomy/or repeated, the more the responses. After the multiple responses, and some banter from the original poster about why they believed they were correct, or why they thought what they did, then one of the responders will "brand" you with the negative label, and on and on and on it goes. From that point on, EVERYTHING that person said is viewed through those glasses. Hence, the "majority" keeps the "minority" in line with it's viewpoint, and teaches them not to speak freely, or worse educates them that if they do speak, there is a cost to be paid in the form of ridicule (which was the purpose of Shadow's topic to begin with). It also seems to be teaching others (less frequent posters) to "judge" what they can say, and what they cannot say.

Somewhat the nature of forums perhaps, but also, there is a piece where "likeminded" folks like to hear that they, and their opinion, are in fact correct. No one likes to be wrong, but sometimes when you talk about your opinions, you are in fact wrong, that's why they call it an opinion... lol

Don't believe me? Revert to the original post, and Shadow's basic point - I WAS CORRECT and the rest of you fools just didn't believe me. IT IS WEEK FOUR, for heavens sake. Lots can still happen, however, but Shadow decided that TODAY, all of those "negativists" need to own up to the "facts" right now, no more waiting because it's clear. We don't need to watch the team play the other 12 games, because today at 4-0 his "opinion" is forever validated, even if the team goes off the ski slope and ends the year at 4-12, I guess...

But lets not lose sight of the original point, a poster with 72 posts and some significant time here as a member "felt" he was going to get bashed for saying something most of us think is reasonable. How many others KEEP SILENT because of the same perspective? This is my concern. I had a permanent flak jacket installed six months ago, and I'll always be covered in teflon the way it looks, and that's fine, you can't keep me from telling you over and over and over what I think. Sadly, you won't lose me, I'll still be here. But, how many have posted, been bashed/branded/ridiculed/contridicted never to return because it is just not worth it?

I just want to hear what more people like Zach think, and less about what people like Shadow and JH think. It looks like Zach's discussion is missing and not likely to return any time soon.

I find it kind of amusing that we should take a wait and see approach now that the team is succeeding. Funny, because taking a wait and see approach was what 95% of the supposed TT supporters have been doing for the last three years. Is this team there yet? No, but they are a hell of alot closer than they were when TT took over an aging team that was facing serious salary cap problems. Funny, because I and, I think, many others here completely agree with you, but a great point is lost because a wait and see approach was met with a board cluttered with TT sucks from last January until the end of the preseason. I think you are 100% right, this team has to improve before they can be considered a true SB contender. But then again, I think this thread would not exist if alot of posters on this board would have laid off the sarcasm and the "TT needs to be fired now" silliness after every move or non-move that TT has made over thse last few years.

[MJZiggy]

I'm finding it really interesting that this whole discussion about negativity started over a post that wasn't actually negative...all he said was that there were a lot of 3-1 teams out there and it's early in the season. Absolutely, there are and it is. Still reason to be cautious, still reason to be optimistic. Optimistic Realist anyone?

[cpk1994]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

First of all we are people of various backgrounds that love the Packers.

We should not be taking any different views to the extreme of judging or pidgeon holeing. WE are just all Packer fans and Rastak. :)

Just for you to ponder.

Maybe you could examine this silly feud a tad closer before you jump on either band wagon cpk1994.

Just maybe. It is best to remain a neutral and not pick sides or gang on. It will all come out in the wash despite some ruffled feathers at hthe present time. :)

I will to go out on the edge and imform all on this board, that the people like myself who are afflicted with the accusations of being the hateful are actually quite the opposite.

We want a win - win for all Packer fans.

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.

For our Packer team GM Ted Thompson to do something more not less.

I see it in terms of the big picture and major goal of winning as Brett Favre does. The duty of the Packer GM is to do all he can to ensure a status of consistency in winning as well as maintain financial restraint for our teams future.

Not all one way or the other.

The chief reason that some here have stood against Ted Thompson is that we feel he should take advantage of the fact we still have Brett Favre. Have encouraged more talent (experience) in our offence and specifically at the position of obvious concern, Runningback.

I would be the last person to rub it in a mans face. I will not argue.

I felt our running game would be weaker and that is the way it appears to be. Ted Thompson went with the status quo after encouraging Ahman Green to change loyalities. I felt that he ran too high of a risk to make that assessment.

We have the worst running game in the NFL. Why is that now. . .

Some of us could see that from a long way off but Ted Thompson did not or is it something else in Ted Thompson . . .

That is the root of the debate.

Fact based? PULEEEEEZE. Anyway, I merely stated the fact that it is hypocritcal of you to call someone a villiage idiot for raining on the parade of others when you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, the fact that you have an obsession with Moss and can't get over it. You continue to take shots at TT for not signing Moss in every thread you post it in, even when the topic isn't about either. It is getting old, boring, repetitve and stupid. You hate TT and are mad the Pack didn't sign Moss. We get it. NOW GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and once again, 4-0 with out your boy Moss.

OK so here it lies and it seems that you want to take this to the personal in the full view of the forum.

Is that correct Packer fan. . .

and by the way. . .

Just exactly where in this thread do I make any reference to TT not landing Randy Moss (question mark). I believe that the conversation in this thread has been confined to the fact our running game really is nowhere cpk1994. Not landing Moss only supports an argument that TT cannot exercise assertiveness or conviction in acquiring really potential talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Just what does last place in the NFL in rushing suggest to you Packer fan. . .

That TT was correct or incorrect about not going after any other RB because it was his assessment that what he had was adequate.

You tell me please where I am wrong here.

Your assertion that not landing Moss = TT cannot excercise assertiveness or conviction is not fact. THAT IS YOUR OPINION. Attempting to state that as fact is just you being smug and arrogant. FACT: TT made an offer based on what he was Moss was worth. Patriiots made higher offer. TT was never given a chance to counter if he so desired. Pats get Moss. END OF STORY.

Last in rushing = a very young inexperienced RB corp and an inexperienced OL. Green would not have improved this situation at all considering the OL has regressed in run blocking. FACT:TT offered Green what he thought he was worth including the injuries and wear and tear. Green tested FA waters and Houston bowled him over. TT then decided that what was available in FA was no better than what he had. END OF STORY.

I applaud the fact that he went with youth and upside instead of going with has been retreads just to make the fans happy. I applaud the fact that TT will do things his way and let the chips fall where they may, despite the ramblings of so-called know-it-all fans like you. I would say that 4-0 right now demonstrates that TT does have this team headed in the right direction: A young team that can only get better, one that will use Favre to by time for these younguns to develop so when it is time for Arron Rodgers or whoever to take over at QB, this team can continue to play at a high level.
This team must be ready to move past Favre when the time comes that Brett decides to hang them up.

TT sees this.

I see this.

Obviously you cannot and refuse to accept that same reality.

[Merlin]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

Is this some sort of attempt at being smart? I DARE you to find a post where I said this.

[Merlin]

Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team.

My post was predicated on this statement from your last post. Had nothing to do with any other post you wrote. And I read the whole post. All 3 lines were absurd. He hired McCarthy, but also the majority of players McCarthy coaches.

Once AGAIN.......READ THE ENTIRE POST. Get back to me when you understand the concept of 1st rounders and early 2nd rounders.

[Merlin]

And then remember when people were shitting bricks around here when he took James Jones "3 rounds too high"??

Seems to me you are thinking about people who worry about late round picks. I worry about #1 and #2. Jennings was a good pick, no arguments here. BUT our #1 picks of Rodgers and Harrell were HORRIBLE.

[Merlin]

Common Ground: Every fan is happy to be 4-0 and we can all agree on that. Every fan should be happy with the passing game, and Brett's leadership to date. Every Fan agrees that the running game is not where it needs to be.

Points of Difference: What role did TT have in orchestrating this 4-0 start? Some say, give him some love and credit for the good he has done. Others say not so fast, he hasn't done as much as we think.

If you're going strictly off record and where we are at right now, you can't have a better record than 4-0. Perhaps you can split the blame for the running game multiple ways. It could be lack of experienced talent, which means we could have been more agressive in getting someone in the off-season last year. It could be the injuries in camp and early in the season, it could be the O-line's execution of the ZBS.

Cause, blame, responsibility (call it what you want) has just as many parents as credit does, if you are being fair-minded. I wish we were in a better way, running game-wise, but we are where we are, and hopefully with some coaching, practice, film study, and player development that can become more than it is, and I think it will. I think MM is coming into his own as a coach, and I think that whatever problems they have can and will be addressed, but by coaching and practice right now.

Agreed.

[Merlin]

"Fact based? PULEEEEEZE. Anyway, I merely stated the fact that it is hypocritcal of you to call someone a villiage idiot for raining on the parade of others when you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, the fact that you have an obsession with Moss and can't get over it. You continue to take shots at TT for not signing Moss in every thread you post it in, even when the topic isn't about either. It is getting old, boring, repetitve and stupid. You hate TT and are mad the Pack didn't sign Moss. We get it. NOW GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! "

It's easy to be all happy and forget the mis-steps of our GM when you are 4-0. As I have stated before, what side of the fence will you be on if we go 4-12? What if we don't make the playoffs? I am betting you will conveniently forget the FACTS that you laugh off here when that time comes and be all optimistic about next season when if either of those things happen, 3T will have much of the responsibility there. But then again, he can only get the kudo's.

By the way, how is that top 5 defense coming? You know the one he "stacked" while he ignored the offense? The one that couldn't stop the run in FOUR GAMES so far? Oh yeah, we are "bending and not breaking" and we are 4-0 so that forgives the problems we have. I forget, 3T has done an awesome job in building a defense that couldn't stop a cold with a ball in it's hands.

[Tarlam!]

Whoooohoooo! Pack is FOUR and OH!

Yeah!

What?

Somebody say something?

[GrnBay007]

I was checking out a couple bear message boards to see what they are saying about playing the Packers. They are barely mentioning the Packers except for "Favre is going to have a field day with us".

HOWEVER........

Here we have the forum arguing over Good Thompson/Bad Thompson

There they are fighting over the Rex/Griese debate. I thought this one was funny....

"It's sad to say but the fair weather fans running Rex off made this season what it is !Start using your brains !What are they going to do next year or the year after face it he *(REX) is Chitown.
You just can't throw several seasons away and draft or trade for who? There is only a few marque QB's in the NFL and we aint going to get them and by treating players like they do who wants to ply here?The old saying is so fucking true ! BE CAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH FOR FUCKERS! I stand today so fucking happy we lost and that is bad I have never and i meen never been happy about a loss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE FOR REX AND WE WILL GO TO THE PLAYOFFS!"

[SkinBasket]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

Is this some sort of attempt at being smart? I DARE you to find a post where I said this.

I am smart. Harlan told me so. I don't have to "attempt" anything.

Dare accepted:


The Jones pick was a reach but hey so was Driver, Tauscher & Clifton.


Here's the thread if you want to thoroughly remind yourself of your own stupidity, or if you are going to try to claim I took that quote out of context or edited it:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=7837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

[Harlan Huckleby]

BE CAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH FOR FUCKERS!

The Agony! (Rex & Griese) The Ecstacy! (Favre & Rodgers)

some writer said this summer that the two best QBs in the NFC North are Favre and Rodgers. :lol:

We are spoiled right now. I don't think the Bears problem on offense is primarily at QB spot. They are weak at several positions. Rex will be back at QB soon enough. Trading away their best running back was a disaster.

[GrnBay007]

The Agony! (Rex & Griese) The Ecstacy! (Favre & Rodgers)

some writer said this summer that the two best QBs in the NFC North are Favre and Rodgers. :lol:

We are spoiled right now. I don't think the Bears problem on offense is primarily at QB spot. They are weak at several positions. Rex will be back at QB soon enough. Trading away their best running back was a disaster.

Lots of them are asking for Orton. :shock:

[Harlan Huckleby]

Orton is still in Chicago!?

I say bring back Doug Flutie. He'll look right standing next to the other guys.

[Partial]

yes I remember Merlin saying that and thinking WTF

[3irty1]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

Is this some sort of attempt at being smart? I DARE you to find a post where I said this.

I am smart. Harlan told me so. I don't have to "attempt" anything.

Dare accepted:


The Jones pick was a reach but hey so was Driver, Tauscher & Clifton.


Here's the thread if you want to thoroughly remind yourself of your own stupidity, or if you are going to try to claim I took that quote out of context or edited it:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=7837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

I don't think he meant to say "reach." You are making it sound like he said TT drafted those guys and that they were bad picks. He's trying to say that just because a player is predicted to be 2nd day by the media doesn't mean that hes not a stud like Driver and the Tackles.

Is it confusing what he said? Yes but you all could have figured out what he meant. Merlin makes a lot of good points so trying to ruin his credibility by bringing up a month old post where he used the wrong word doesn't make sense. Its kind of a weird thing to do too.

[3irty1]

Seriously though I don't understand how everyone can back everything he does or hate everything he does. I'm pretty impartial. I think McCarthy was a fantastic call, besides the 1st round picks the drafts have been good. He doesn't seem to make the big deals like some GMs do but hes still OK.

He hasn't doomed the franchise but to say that he's responsible for the 4-0 start is just taking away from #4. Hes a decent GM whose done some good things and some bad. Right now I'd have to say hes done more good because I have a man-crush on McCarthy.

[Partial]

And then remember when people were shitting bricks around here when he took James Jones "3 rounds too high"??

Seems to me you are thinking about people who worry about late round picks. I worry about #1 and #2. Jennings was a good pick, no arguments here. BUT our #1 picks of Rodgers and Harrell were HORRIBLE.

But so we John Michaels, Ross Verba, Jamal Reynolds, etc. Sometimes people miss on picks. So what? Rodgers has looked great in pre-season. Murphy looked to be decent but he got hurt. Cannot fault TT for that. Harrell hasn't had an opportunity.

It takes a few years to judge a draft choice. Don't you think you're jumping the gun??

[retailguy]

It takes a few years to judge a draft choice. Don't you think you're jumping the gun??

He's absolutely jumping the gun. We can't judge his performance for at least another two years.

But, what about when you predicted he'd be a stud by game one, and you'd be reminding me of that, in not so nice terms as I remember? Was that jumping the gun too? If not, why is it ok for you, but not Merlin? Is it because your view is more optimistic or more "acceptable"? If it is jumping the gun, why does Merlin get criticized and your inaccurate points just get forgotten, or we're playing "dirty pool" if we remind you of them?

Which is it Partial? I'd really like to know since you've appointed yourself the expert on both "forum ettiquette" and the development of Justin Harrell the player.

[MJZiggy]

Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team.

My post was predicated on this statement from your last post. Had nothing to do with any other post you wrote. And I read the whole post. All 3 lines were absurd. He hired McCarthy, but also the majority of players McCarthy coaches.

Once AGAIN.......READ THE ENTIRE POST. Get back to me when you understand the concept of 1st rounders and early 2nd rounders.

Who gives a shit about getting an offensive weapon in the first round when Jones is outplaying all of the first round WR selections anyway? Try looking at the draft as a whole. When your late rounders outperform the high rounders they were drafted with they're good players. It means your GM found good players and seems to have a talent for it.

[Partial]

It takes a few years to judge a draft choice. Don't you think you're jumping the gun??

He's absolutely jumping the gun. We can't judge his performance for at least another two years.

But, what about when you predicted he'd be a stud by game one, and you'd be reminding me of that, in not so nice terms as I remember? Was that jumping the gun too? If not, why is it ok for you, but not Merlin? Is it because your view is more optimistic or more "acceptable"? If it is jumping the gun, why does Merlin get criticized and your inaccurate points just get forgotten, or we're playing "dirty pool" if we remind you of them?

Which is it Partial? I'd really like to know since you've appointed yourself the expert on both "forum ettiquette" and the development of Justin Harrell the player.

I'd like to know where I appointed myself either. Meanwhile, I won't give you a legit response until you respond to my other post.

[retailguy]

It takes a few years to judge a draft choice. Don't you think you're jumping the gun??

He's absolutely jumping the gun. We can't judge his performance for at least another two years.

But, what about when you predicted he'd be a stud by game one, and you'd be reminding me of that, in not so nice terms as I remember? Was that jumping the gun too? If not, why is it ok for you, but not Merlin? Is it because your view is more optimistic or more "acceptable"? If it is jumping the gun, why does Merlin get criticized and your inaccurate points just get forgotten, or we're playing "dirty pool" if we remind you of them?

Which is it Partial? I'd really like to know since you've appointed yourself the expert on both "forum ettiquette" and the development of Justin Harrell the player.

I'd like to know where I appointed myself either. Meanwhile, I won't give you a legit response until you respond to my other post.

which one is that?

[Partial]

You have two examples from above that state they didn't have a problem with what Zach said (Ziggy & Partial). If they had an issue they'd have weighed in. Then someone else would have had an issue to what they said and chimed in too. Then it gets repeated adinfinitum...

If you have an opinion, not shared by the majority of posters/readers/responders, you'll hear about it many, many, many times. The more negative/gloomy/or repeated, the more the responses.

Bitching and moaning gets very, very old after awhile. You have taken the same sarcastic approach that rubs people the wrong way all off-season and now into the season. Everyone makes their own persona here. Whether you're a negativist or a kool-aid drinking SOG(son of a gun) like Nick Collins, you'll hear about it either way.

People get consistently torn down when they keep bitching about the same damn thing and not saying anything constructive at all. Your sarcastic fashion certainly affects posters opinions and it puts that negative spotlight on yourself.

Essentially, you are what you make yourself out to be. You're looked at as a TT hater because thats how your posts come across. Whether thats your intention or not, perception is everything. It's not like you made one snide comment once. You did multiple times a day, day in and day out without acknowledging the good that goes with the bad.

Just to play devil's advocate, by saying it is jumping to conclusions that we're a good team after 4 weeks, it should also be considered jumping to conclusions that letting green walk, the concerns about our running game, etc are all a bit premature this season. After all, we've only played 4 games. Guys that would rather watch football and break it down than bitch about it like myself and I suspect Harv have reason to believe based on what we've seen that we may end up being a pretty solid running team when all is said and done.

^

[retailguy]

Ah, yes. That one.

Well, your good buddy shadow took care of that one for me. Read his post just a few posts after yours where he goes through this example of how I "Just didn't UNDERSTAND him". It was really clear hypocrisy to your point, and didn't require me to respond. It stands alone as a clear example of what I'm talking about.

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Next, if your "view" is accepted by the majority of the posters here, it is up the individual reading/responding to that post to "ascertain" what the majority view poster "meant". Failure to do that, subjects said poster to justifiable forum ettiquett from the rest of the posters.

I got it. and I disagree.

You're up.

[SkinBasket]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

Is this some sort of attempt at being smart? I DARE you to find a post where I said this.

I am smart. Harlan told me so. I don't have to "attempt" anything.

Dare accepted:


The Jones pick was a reach but hey so was Driver, Tauscher & Clifton.


Here's the thread if you want to thoroughly remind yourself of your own stupidity, or if you are going to try to claim I took that quote out of context or edited it:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=7837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

I don't think he meant to say "reach." You are making it sound like he said TT drafted those guys and that they were bad picks. He's trying to say that just because a player is predicted to be 2nd day by the media doesn't mean that hes not a stud like Driver and the Tackles.

Is it confusing what he said? Yes but you all could have figured out what he meant. Merlin makes a lot of good points so trying to ruin his credibility by bringing up a month old post where he used the wrong word doesn't make sense. Its kind of a weird thing to do too.

Well, I'm not sure how much more clearly he could have stated that he believed Driver and Tauscher were reaches. He even compares them to another player he clearly states he believes is a reach. I'm not "making it sound like" he said anything. It's what he said.

As far as Merlin's credibility, he doesn't need me to ruin it. He does an excellent job doing that himself. Yes, the post is a month old. He "DARED" me to find where he had stated that Driver and Tauscher were reaches. So I did it. It wasn't really that hard and it wasn't really so weird.

[son of a vic]

Ah, yes. That one.

Well, your good buddy shadow took care of that one for me. Read his post just a few posts after yours where he goes through this example of how I "Just didn't UNDERSTAND him". It was really clear hypocrisy to your point, and didn't require me to respond. It stands alone as a clear example of what I'm talking about.

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Next, if your "view" is accepted by the majority of the posters here, it is up the individual reading/responding to that post to "ascertain" what the majority view poster "meant". Failure to do that, subjects said poster to justifiable forum ettiquett from the rest of the posters.

I got it. and I disagree.

You're up.

You didn't seem to mind coming off the top rope to pile drive my ass into the canvass after I was beaten and bloodied in my daily battle royal with the blind faithful during Sherm's reign.

[SkinBasket]

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Since I've been labeled as someone who "piles on," let me respond.

I mentioned this before, but apparently you tend to ignore points that conflict with your views. Someone who posts a MINORITY view is going to have a lot of responses in opposition to that view because they are in the MINORITY, meaning LESS people agree with them than disagree. What you refer to as "piling on" is the MAJORITY (meaning more people than not) responding, and since, by the very definition of the term, there are MORE people in the MAJORITY, there will be MORE responses in opposition to the MINORITY view.

What you seem to be asking for is that people in the MAJORITY on a given topic silence themselves so that the person with the MINORITY view can feel safe or unmolested or still think they're an important person too or whateverthefuck you feel the problem is when someone posts their thoughts and receives feedback that doesn't make them feel like farting rainbows in response.

[retailguy]

You didn't seem to mind coming off the top rope to pile drive my ass into the canvass after I was beaten and bloodied in my daily battle royal with the blind faithful during Sherm's reign.

Two days in a row. Wow. It's my lucky week!

I don't suppose that your criticism of the playcalling, play selection, and the actions of the COACH, DURING THE SEASON might have had anything to do with my responses?

Exactly where, have I criticized the actions of McCarthy during this season? Even ole' Ted for that matter. I've stated I'm worried about the run game, and the health of Al Harris, and something else I can't remember. That seems to be the "majority" accepted viewpoint, even if you love this team, which I do.

Isn't the offseason the proper place for those discussions? Since the season started, I've been largely silent about my viewpoints for those very reasons. Had they been -0-4 I'd have still been silent, which I think the majority, except for Skin, would probably agree with. You should really stick to the Nascar Bookmobile stuff. That was very funny. This is a bit too deep for you, I think. Besides, you're not really interested in "giving a point of view" you are more interested in a satirical attack on anyone who dares challenge your viewpoint, right? I'm undoubtedly the poster boy for that, huh?

Enjoy the wins Vic. I am, and I'm watching curiously to see how long they last.

Check in during week 12 or 13 for my mea culpa if they keep winning. You'll have a field day with that one. I just might even mention you... :wink:

[retailguy]

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Since I've been labeled as someone who "piles on," let me respond.

I mentioned this before, but apparently you tend to ignore points that conflict with your views. Someone who posts a MINORITY view is going to have a lot of responses in opposition to that view because they are in the MINORITY, meaning LESS people agree with them than disagree. What you refer to as "piling on" is the MAJORITY (meaning more people than not) responding, and since, by the very definition of the term, there are MORE people in the MAJORITY, there will be MORE responses in opposition to the MINORITY view.

What you seem to be asking for is that people in the MAJORITY on a given topic silence themselves so that the person with the MINORITY view can feel safe or unmolested or still think they're an important person too or whateverthefuck you feel the problem is when someone posts their thoughts and receives feedback that doesn't make them feel like farting rainbows in response.

Thank you very much for your clarification. Had you bothered to read what I had said, about civility, I think you'd probably have not needed to make your point, which is why I viewed what you said as "PILING ON".

Smashing my viewpoint into the canvas was clearly what you had intended, so, why are you griping because I disagree with you? You thrive on that shit. Why not just enjoy it? You landed your point, over and over and over again.

Simple?

Hope so.

[Deputy Nutz]

testy

I think this thread needs some level headed moderation.

[Deputy Nutz]

civility is way overrated, while being blunt and to the point is underrated along with common sense.

[retailguy]

testy

I think this thread needs some level headed moderation.

Why? Because I disagree with them? Have I not stuck to the points they made and illustrated what I view as hypocrisy?

Don't get it. But hey, that wouldn't be the first time, would it?

So, level headed moderation clearly couldn't be me, so I guess I'd like to know what that is? What have I said that should be "censored"?

[SkinBasket]

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Since I've been labeled as someone who "piles on," let me respond.

I mentioned this before, but apparently you tend to ignore points that conflict with your views. Someone who posts a MINORITY view is going to have a lot of responses in opposition to that view because they are in the MINORITY, meaning LESS people agree with them than disagree. What you refer to as "piling on" is the MAJORITY (meaning more people than not) responding, and since, by the very definition of the term, there are MORE people in the MAJORITY, there will be MORE responses in opposition to the MINORITY view.

What you seem to be asking for is that people in the MAJORITY on a given topic silence themselves so that the person with the MINORITY view can feel safe or unmolested or still think they're an important person too or whateverthefuck you feel the problem is when someone posts their thoughts and receives feedback that doesn't make them feel like farting rainbows in response.

Thank you very much for your clarification. Had you bothered to read what I had said, about civility, I think you'd probably have not needed to make your point, which is why I viewed what you said as "PILING ON".

Smashing my viewpoint into the canvas was clearly what you had intended, so, why are you griping because I disagree with you? You thrive on that shit. Why not just enjoy it? You landed your point, over and over and over again.

Simple?

Hope so.

So now I shouldn't say something if I agree with someone because obviously I would just be "piling on" and I shouldn't say something if I disagree with someone because then I might hurt their feelings by making them consider that they might be wrong.

Maybe you should contact Harlan about writing the "Civil Response to Opposing Views" section of his up-and-coming Internet Forum Posting Rules and Regulations so we all know how not to offend your views of civility. Make sure to spend time on a subsection dealing with "Considering the Majority and Minority View when Crafting your Response to Stupid Posts."

By the way, I read what you had to say about civility, but just couldn't muster up the effort to care. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings and make you feel like part of the minority if others agree with me.

[Deputy Nutz]

The issue I take with all of you Thompson Bashers, you jump off the fucking cliff complaining and calling for the guys head and then predicting a horrible season.

you fail to use any common sense at times and fail to look at every aspect of the team and the job Thompson has done and is still doing. He isn't perfect, no GM is, the game is too big of a crap shoot.

Now the team has put together a nice little winning streak and you all have to eat a little crow and you're all a bit pissed about it. It is a long season hopefully the Packers keep on winning but then that would cause you all to really swallow your pride.

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions, but I wasn't guaranteeing failure like some. Most of you put your foot in your mouth before you even saw the product, and now you're getting made fun of and you can't handle it. Go grow a pair.

I love how loyal some of you are to Brett Favre, calling for more weapons for Brett so he can go out on top and this and that, I for one had the same feelings, but then I realized that this franchise goes on after Favre, or AF. With free agency this team needs balance, a good defense and a good offense, some things come quicker than others. Hopefully the offense can continue to excel and demonstrates that Thompson has surrounded Favre with enough talent to be successful in '07.

This team will not go 16-0, I still stand by my prediction of 10-6, because that is what I guessed, but the bottom line is this team is going to lose some games so, you Thompson Bashers can at least have your weeks down the road to flap your gums. Hell I might even join you but then at least I have results to base my opinions on.

[SkinBasket]

I would agree with nutz, but, well, you know.

[vince]

I'd pile on too, if I weren't apparently one of the "majority." So in civilized respect for the "minority" I won't.

[retailguy]

The issue I take with all of you Thompson Bashers, you jump off the fucking cliff complaining and calling for the guys head and then predicting a horrible season.

you fail to use any common sense at times and fail to look at every aspect of the team and the job Thompson has done and is still doing. He isn't perfect, no GM is, the game is too big of a crap shoot.

Now the team has put together a nice little winning streak and you all have to eat a little crow and you're all a bit pissed about it. It is a long season hopefully the Packers keep on winning but then that would cause you all to really swallow your pride.

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions, but I wasn't guaranteeing failure like some. Most of you put your foot in your mouth before you even saw the product, and now you're getting made fun of and you can't handle it. Go grow a pair.

I love how loyal some of you are to Brett Favre, calling for more weapons for Brett so he can go out on top and this and that, I for one had the same feelings, but then I realized that this franchise goes on after Favre, or AF. With free agency this team needs balance, a good defense and a good offense, some things come quicker than others. Hopefully the offense can continue to excel and demonstrates that Thompson has surrounded Favre with enough talent to be successful in '07.

This team will not go 16-0, I still stand by my prediction of 10-6, because that is what I guessed, but the bottom line is this team is going to lose some games so, you Thompson Bashers can at least have your weeks down the road to flap your gums. Hell I might even join you but then at least I have results to base my opinions on.

Good rant.

Some truth to that and some things not so much.

I can tell you real clearly this. Had the Packers been 0-4 right now, but playing competitively, I wouldn't be saying "I told you so". You can believe that if you wish or you can discard it.

Would others be gloating? Of course. This battle got far too ugly for it not to be that way. This was my attempt to say "enough". Didn't work. Oh well. Shame on me. That's nothing new.

Packerblues summed it up pretty well I thought. I really enjoyed Zach's point, and I really didn't like his clarification. I think it speaks to a larger problem that most are unwilling to admit. Whatever.

I won't "weigh" in on the season until week 12 at the earliest. I might wait until the end of the season. But I will weigh in. Count on it. If I need to make a mea culpa, I will, if I don't, you can bet I'll tell you all that too. The others are responsible for themselves.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the wins. I remain concerned about the running game. I'm unconvinced that winning will continue when the weather turns bad and running doesn't improve. Others think we can pass our way to the playoffs. Others think that as the level of defense declines, our run game will improve. We'll see. Baltimore got to the Super Bowl with a very mediocre offense.

As to our defense, they've played well by any estimate. They're not perfect, but no one is, except the 72 Dolphins. So, I'm concerned about the run stopping part of the D, don't really buy into the rhetoric of "they bent, but they haven't broke!", but hey, they're 4-0 so that's saying something.

They shut down Tomlinson, but Rivers went crazy. Then they shut down Holcolmb, and Peterson looked like a Madden video game. Derrick Ward averaged 6.0 yards per carry. Who is Derrick Ward? He's no LT, that's for sure. Those indicate issues to me. So far, they've overcome them, and that's at testament to this team. Either they're damn lucky, or they've figured something out. When we get to face Dallas, we'll see. We didn't match up well against San Diego, yet we won. One point in our favor. We don't match up well against Dallas, so we'll see.

In any event, I share some viewpoints with Woody, Packnut and Merlin. But, clearly not all. I've said some positive things about Ted, and this team. I don't like Ted (that's no shock), but have always said he is a great evaluator of talent. I have also said that I don't like the short term plan (2007) and I don't (I am surprised at how well it has worked to this point, and skeptical it will continue). Skeptical is different from"no chance" which was where I was before the season started.

I have also said that I liked what Ted was building for 2008 and beyond. I have supported Justin Harrell. I didn't like the pick, I did think there were better places to invest that kind of money, however, I always thought it was unrealistic to expect a guy with that serious of an injury to contribute immediately. I really like Corey Williams, and I don't understand why the team hasn't shown more of an interest in keeping him. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We shall see.

So, Nutz, that's where I am. Oh yeah, one more thing. As Vic pointed out, I do think Ted is a damn liar. I think he purposely misleads about things he doesn't need to mislead. I believe that is the biggest area where I can see his ego. I don't like what I see, but acknowledge (as I always have) that assholes can be good talent evaluators.

I guess that sums up the majority of my points. I think we'd be running better if we had a back with experience. I didn't want a long term deal, though, I'd have kept Green. Wouldn't have thrown too much money at the other free agents. I would have brought in one guy for competition. Didn't really care who it was after Green was gone. I don't like Morenecy and never have, I am intrigued by Wynn, and do like Jackson but never thought he'd help until 2008 either. I hate zone blocking, and don't like Spitz but I do like Colledge - as a tackle, not a guard. Wells is servicable, and I don't understand what the hell has happened to Cliffy and Tausch. Orange Juice is still too new for me to judge.

There, that's the sum of the parts. Take it for what it is worth.

[Zool]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.

[BallHawk]

Quick question....

Is it worth it reading this thread from the beginning?

Or is it just more of the same? :?

[PackerBlues]

I don't buy into the whole "majority, minority" thing. In my opinion, I think that more often than not, people will look at a new topic or post, then read some of the replies to that post.........and decide that they do not even want to bother. Weather it be sarcastic comments, bantering back and forth, or whatever kind of personal attack........a post becomes ruined so quickly, that a person coming to view it for the first time, wouldn't bother to respond, because of not wanting to get bashed themselves.


I could sit here and stick out my tongue, :taunt: and say "Naa Naa" I was right about Thompson when I said "he is sending the team into the season with a complete crap running game". But I do not want to. It is true that the Packers running game is crap. But I don't care. I look at the team that we have, and I am happy. Who built the team we have now (minus a run game)???? Thompson did. Considering that the team also seems to have good pass protection going this year, is using the TE's, and is willing to not just trust Brett to manage and win games this year, but to go the extra mile by admitting themselves, that they are playing to the stregths of this team, ........says a lot to me. I think I can let Thompson slide on the running game, considering what else he has given this team.


It seems like every season for a while now, nothing has been what you would expect. There have been years that entering the season, you might swear that the offense was going to be great and the defense would struggle...........only to find during the season that it was the exact opposite. Seasons where you expect the receivers to have great years.........only to have injuries screw up the season. So many times, things would turn out opposite of what you would have expected or hoped.


This year, some of us bitched about a run game before the start of the season, pissed off because we just couldn't imagine the Packers having an effective run game with "running back by committee". This year, we were actually right about something...........but it does not matter, because Thompson and M3 already knew what they had, and planned around it.


Turns out that some people were also wrong about Moss. We still hear questions like "what happens if Randy doesn't get the ball?" and "What will Randy be like if the Pats start losing?" From the looks of things, those are some very unlikely scenario's. I picked up Madden 08 for my computer. Started up a Franchise, snagged Moss off of the Patriots roster, and started playing a season. OMFG!!!!!! What a blast that was, using a pass heavy Offense with Moss, Driver, Jennings, and Jones. I came down from my high of having Moss on the roster pretty quick though. After the first 5 games or so, I got kinda bored........putting up nearly 800 passing yards every game. It was fun for a little while anyway, lol. :D


So, yeah, some of us could also stick out our tongues :taunt: and say we were right to have wanted Moss, just look at how good he still is. Fact of the matter is, we are doing just fine without him. I love how this Offense of the Packers, is built around the Passing game. Favre does not need Moss to be effective, he just needs his guys to catch what he throws to them (Bubba). I will however, do a lot of pissing and moaning and maybe a little :taunt: :taunt: :taunt: if the Packers face the Pats in the SB, and Moss runs away with the game ball. :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Freak Out]

I'm coming to the posters game just to witness the West Side Story like gang fight between TT backers and TT haters. :lol:

[MJZiggy]

I'm coming to the posters game just to witness the West Side Story like gang fight between TT bashers and TT haters. :lol:

BH, this should answer your question, no? Nice one, Freak Out. :lol:

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions


Then you are a Thompson basher.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

[Deputy Nutz]

I have questioned Thompson's choices and decisions


Then you are a Thompson basher.

Maybe and maybe not....

I learned at a real young age to question authority.

[retailguy]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.






This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

Hey. You were the one calling for a moderator besides me to intervene. I asked you to explain, you ducked the question. It got moved, what were they supposed to do? ban me? silence me? delete my posts?

what did you want? I thought we were having a somewhat civil discussion...

[Little Whiskey]

get this damn football thread out of my Romper Room!

[Deputy Nutz]

So when some one brings up the word moderation the moderators swoop in and sweep the topic under a rug?

Classy.

I thought I answered your response with actual football talk. Sorry. Moderation was just the reference to football, which the thread managed to stay on topic.

[Deputy Nutz]

Quick question....

Is it worth it reading this thread from the beginning?

Or is it just more of the same? :?

No, in all honesty there is three or four of them just like it. I just can't resist staying out of it though, I love drama like I love sticking it in yo mammas

[Freak Out]

So should the TT backers be the Jets or the Sharks? This could evolve into a pretty twisted Packerrats musical.

[Deputy Nutz]

So should the TT backers be the Jets or the Sharks? This could evolve into a pretty twisted Packerrats musical.

What the fuck are you doing watching West Side Story? At first I thought you were talking about the Rap War of the mid 90s between Pac and Biggie, but no you were talking about a musical.

Go ask Harlan that question, I heard he loves musicals

[Bretsky]

Quick question....

Is it worth it reading this thread from the beginning?

Or is it just more of the same? :?

It wasn't worth reading since Page 2 when 007 accurately portrayed what would occur


This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.

[Bretsky]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


Honestly, once we looked at the title did we expect anything less to occur ?

I don't know who put this thing in the RR but whoever did I'm more than fine by that call. I was just happy to come home and not have to see it in the Packer area anymore because at this point it was arrows rather than good disucssion.

[Deputy Nutz]

Quick question....

Is it worth it reading this thread from the beginning?

Or is it just more of the same? :?

It wasn't worth reading since Page 2 when 007 accurately portrayed what would occur


This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.

Whats with the italics? BOLD baby use BOLD!!!

[Bretsky]

Quick question....

Is it worth it reading this thread from the beginning?

Or is it just more of the same? :?

It wasn't worth reading since Page 2 when 007 accurately portrayed what would occur


This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.

Whats with the italics? BOLD baby use BOLD!!!

I'm not strong enough

Plus, bold means you are yelling at each other; I'm not going to get riled up over this thing

[Freak Out]

So should the TT backers be the Jets or the Sharks? This could evolve into a pretty twisted Packerrats musical.

What the fuck are you doing watching West Side Story? At first I thought you were talking about the Rap War of the mid 90s between Pac and Biggie, but no you were talking about a musical.

Go ask Harlan that question, I heard he loves musicals

:lol:

Actually I could never get through the whole thing even with a sex bomb like Natalie Wood in it.
My warped mind tends top wander into bizarre territory towards the end of the day and the first "gangs" that came to me were the ones in West Side Story....and the Greasers but I could not remember who their rivals were? What the hell was the movie in the 80s about the gangs in NY City? A couple of members got stuck on the wrong side of town and had to make it home while fighting their way through all these others gangs territories?

[Deputy Nutz]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


Honestly, once we looked at the title did we expect anything less to occur ?

I don't know who put this thing in the RR but whoever did I'm more than fine by that call. I was just happy to come home and not have to see it in the Packer area anymore because at this point it was arrows rather than good disucssion.

So why not make a disclaimer that any backing of Thompson threads, or any threads attacking Thompson will be moved immediately since they have nothing to do with football and only cause aggressive conversation?

[Bretsky]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


Honestly, once we looked at the title did we expect anything less to occur ?

I don't know who put this thing in the RR but whoever did I'm more than fine by that call. I was just happy to come home and not have to see it in the Packer area anymore because at this point it was arrows rather than good disucssion.

So why not make a disclaimer that any backing of Thompson threads, or any threads attacking Thompson will be moved immediately since they have nothing to do with football and only cause aggressive conversation?

THIS WAS NOT A THREAD ABOUT BACKING THOMPSON (for you :lol: )

I could care less if people want to bash TT or glorify TT.

But I don't buy into this calling out of posters in a negative manner with these I told you so threads. Nothing but bad come of them.

I could spam this board with I told you so's based on me being right in the past on certain things.

Posters who have read me enough could spam this board with I told you so threads dedicated to things I've been wrong about.

No need

[MJZiggy]

I could spam this board with I told you so's based on me being right in the past on certain things.

No need

You were right????




(just trying to add a little levity to the conversation)

[Deputy Nutz]

I feel like I now need to get the last word in

[retailguy]

I feel like I now need to get the last word in


not a chance pal. not a chance. 8-)

[SkinBasket]

This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.


So which is it? Are people supposed to be unapologetic for their opinions, or should they be apologetic for feeling like telling some douche-bag who was wrong six weeks ago that yes, "I fucking told you so, and all the shit I had to take from you for expressing my opinion was unfounded and idiotic." That's their opinion isn't it? So people are "SUPPOSED to post their opinions" unless those opinions make someone else look wrong, but only if the person who is supposedly wrong is in this supposed minority?

Figure this shit out so we can have a discourse without wondering where the cocksucking thread went. Please. With sugar on top.

[GrnBay007]

This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.


So which is it? Are people supposed to be unapologetic for their opinions, or should they be apologetic for feeling like telling some douche-bag who was wrong six weeks ago that yes, "I fucking told you so, and all the shit I had to take from you for expressing my opinion was unfounded and idiotic." That's their opinion isn't it? So people are "SUPPOSED to post their opinions" unless those opinions make someone else look wrong, but only if the person who is supposedly wrong is in this supposed minority?

Figure this shit out so we can have a discourse without wondering where the cocksucking thread went. Please. With sugar on top.

Skin, that quote was part of something I posted on page 2. The name calling and disrespect had started....was just trying to mellow it a bit. If you look back you will see different posts were edited so it may appear to be nothing now. And the apology part........forget it. The people involved in this Hate/Love Thompson thing are so wrapped up in the debate they would never get what I was talking about. I guess I just don't understand why it's such a big deal to say "I told you so". Early on after Jones was drafted and I expressed my support, someone made fun of me. I didn't go back to look to see who it was so I could pat myself on the back because I don't give a shit. I guess this Thompson thing runs deep. Who would have guessed a white haired middle aged guy could create such a fuss.

[SkinBasket]

This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it. WHY? Why can't people just be happy with winning and leave all the "I told you so" stuff out?

apologize? why should anyone have to apologize for their opinions. It's a sports forum where people are SUPPOSED to post their opinions.


So which is it? Are people supposed to be unapologetic for their opinions, or should they be apologetic for feeling like telling some douche-bag who was wrong six weeks ago that yes, "I fucking told you so, and all the shit I had to take from you for expressing my opinion was unfounded and idiotic." That's their opinion isn't it? So people are "SUPPOSED to post their opinions" unless those opinions make someone else look wrong, but only if the person who is supposedly wrong is in this supposed minority?

Figure this shit out so we can have a discourse without wondering where the cocksucking thread went. Please. With sugar on top.

Skin, that quote was part of something I posted on page 2. The name calling and disrespect had started....was just trying to mellow it a bit. If you look back you will see different posts were edited so it may appear to be nothing now. And the apology part........forget it. The people involved in this Hate/Love Thompson thing are so wrapped up in the debate they would never get what I was talking about. I guess I just don't understand why it's such a big deal to say "I told you so". Early on after Jones was drafted and I expressed my support, someone made fun of me. I didn't go back to look to see who it was so I could pat myself on the back because I don't give a shit. I guess this Thompson thing runs deep. Who would have guessed a white haired middle aged guy could create such a fuss.


I wasn't trying to use you as an example. Just that your quote keeps getting kicked around here in a way that seems a little hypocritical. I actually don't have very strong feelings about Thompson, but I understand that those who do probably feel like telling the people who beat them over the head for weeks on end before the season even started that they feel somewhat vindicated by the Packer's early success. I feel they have a right to that feeling given how much crap they took just a few weeks ago without having the thread kicked to the curb by a bunch of people, some of them moderators, telling them they shouldn't care so much.

I might not be a "feelings guy" but I have a feeling that people with strong positive feelings toward Thompson and his approach feel they are being marginalized when they should have cause to celebrate, and yes, even gloat, about how they may have been right.

It doesn't help when certain mods (I'm assuming that some people actually defer to you guys, but I could be wrong) start talking about the poor abused "minority" who, as far as I can tell, were given free reign a few weeks ago when stating their case that Thompson was an abject failure, but who are now apparently part of some protected endangered species act.

[Harlan Huckleby]

II have a feeling that people with strong positive feelings toward Thompson and his approach feel they are being marginalized ... who are now apparently part of some protected endangered species act.

the solution is obvious: include those with STRONG, POSITIVE feelings towards Ted under the endangered species act. No reason for you to be marginalized. In fact, the margins are no place to cast ANY PackerRat. We need smaller margins, perhaps eliminate them entirely: Madtown, can you do that?

[GrnBay007]

My final thought on this whole topic: I understand emotions run strong concerning all aspects of the Green Bay Packers. However, I have never quite understood how the Packers being 4-0 is supposed to be something everyone praises Thompson over. He's brought in some good players and for that I give him credit. But lets face it, football is one of the ultimate TEAM sports. The Green Bay Packers TEAM is 4-0. The team is doing their job right now....and doing it well for the most part, is the reason the Packers are 4-0. Now I know some people will say that TT is responsible for bringing this team together....BUT, look at some of the teams that have a ton of talent and end up doing little or nothing. Maybe MM is the one that deserves more credit at this point then TT.....just a thought????

[Partial]

Ah, yes. That one.

Well, your good buddy shadow took care of that one for me. Read his post just a few posts after yours where he goes through this example of how I "Just didn't UNDERSTAND him". It was really clear hypocrisy to your point, and didn't require me to respond. It stands alone as a clear example of what I'm talking about.

See, let me sum it up for you. If you post something that the majority disagrees with, you'd better make sure that you do it in a manner that is viewed as "proper" to the rest of the forum. That sums up your post in one sentence, I'd say. If you don't, you've EARNED yourself a bad attitide, and justifiable forum ettiquette from the rest of the posters, such as skin and my good buddy vic who just "pile on".

Next, if your "view" is accepted by the majority of the posters here, it is up the individual reading/responding to that post to "ascertain" what the majority view poster "meant". Failure to do that, subjects said poster to justifiable forum ettiquett from the rest of the posters.

I got it. and I disagree.

You're up.

No, my point was that when you bitch and moan and bitch and moan and be a condescending jerk to people, they are going to be like I told you so.

If you're upset people are ganging up on you, then don't be a jerk originally and continually be condescending and sarcastic. It's not rocket science.

I don't get what the obsession over TT is. Who cares? No one has any control over it. Why not discuss our players and why he feels they are good enough to play the game. Why not try figuring out how to beat the opponent or doing something constructive instead of whining? If you're unhappy about it, write a letter or make a phone call. Stop being a sarcastic ass on a message board. I don't think you've respectfully disagreed with anyone in a thread that i've read in the past two months yet. It's always in a mean, arrogant, spiteful way.

[Partial]

testy

I think this thread needs some level headed moderation.

Remember when you and me were the Mexi's henchmen. Those were wild times. I remember when us three amigos were cruising down the highway in Mad's pinto. I lost my virginity that night in Tijuana. Good times!

[Partial]

I think the most important thing around here is how you say something.

RG comes off as an asshat in my opinion with his cocky responses. Nick Collins comes off as a douchebag when he says shit in his condescending ways. They have polar opposite views but I think they're equally cocky and irritating. This is by no means exclusive to those two. I feel like I come off as a prick on here, too. I guess its all interpretation. I have talked to both of these guys one on one many times and they're both great people, but the arguing on here brings out the worst.

Sarcastic, dickheaded respones piss everyone off. That, paired with changing tone (hottie avatar person did this recently) is really, really irritating and what probably leads to a lot of bad blood.

I remember that first PackersBlues thread a month or two back where every response was like really cocky, sarcastic, and loaded with an "you're an idiot; I am smarter than you" attitude. That probably irritated a lot of people and I am sure there are still people who hold a grudge, ignore his posts, etc. I for one think he has really turned himself into a pretty darn good poster albeit a very lengthy-wordy one :P

I think the key is to keep your cool and just be nice. I've been an F'in dick around here and acted all immature and kept getting myself in trouble w/ other posters and even w/ the leadership of the board. I have been working to change that perception and attitude since then.

I don't have an answer on how to stop the madness, but this is why I think it occurs.

[GrnBay007]

I don't have an answer on how to stop the madness, but this is why I think it occurs.

Well you sure don't stop the madness by calling a bunch of people names. Talk about instigating!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree on PackerBlues. He was anti-Thompson, but give him credit for enjoying the early season success--swallowing his pride a bit.

Should I bring up some of the old Thompson threads, and we can see who said what?
:D

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well you sure don't stop the madness by calling a bunch of people names. Talk about instigating!!!

You're just more subtle in doing it.
:D


However, I have never quite understood how the Packers being 4-0 is supposed to be something everyone praises Thompson over.

EDIT: I better put a smiley face on here.

[GrnBay007]

what do you mean by that Harv? Who have I called names? in any fashion?

Edit: ok I will to ...to be politically correct :D

[Partial]

I don't have an answer on how to stop the madness, but this is why I think it occurs.

Well you sure don't stop the madness by calling a bunch of people names. Talk about instigating!!!

I think they're fine people. Collins is my boy. RG and I occasionally chat on the IM. RG has been instrumental in reversing my fortunes many times around here.

I have a method behind my madness. I've chosen my words carefully.

[retailguy]

I don't have an answer on how to stop the madness, but this is why I think it occurs.

Well you sure don't stop the madness by calling a bunch of people names. Talk about instigating!!!

I think they're fine people. Collins is my boy. RG and I occasionally chat on the IM. RG has been instrumental in reversing my fortunes many times around here.

I have a method behind my madness. I've chosen my words carefully.


Apparently you haven't chosen them carefully enough, because I'm not really amused. Maybe this is fun and games for you, but it isn't for me. Play games with someone else, ok?

I happen to believe that there is an issue with the way some posters think. I tried my best to illustrate it, but my words have been so twisted no one is even looking at what I actually said.

Just move on to something else. I've got no time for college boy games.

[Partial]

I don't have an answer on how to stop the madness, but this is why I think it occurs.

Well you sure don't stop the madness by calling a bunch of people names. Talk about instigating!!!

I think they're fine people. Collins is my boy. RG and I occasionally chat on the IM. RG has been instrumental in reversing my fortunes many times around here.

I have a method behind my madness. I've chosen my words carefully.


Apparently you haven't chosen them carefully enough, because I'm not really amused. Maybe this is fun and games for you, but it isn't for me. Play games with someone else, ok?

I happen to believe that there is an issue with the way some posters think. I tried my best to illustrate it, but my words have been so twisted no one is even looking at what I actually said.

Just move on to something else. I've got no time for college boy games.

College boy games? All I said is I think you come off as jerk. Which I am sure the vast majority people think. It has nothing to do with what you think, its how you present it.

What don't you people get about it? It is only going to make matters worse when you're being 1. A jerk, 2. Disagreeing with the majority, and 3. Complaining about it.

You come off as an ass in my opinion. I think a lot of people would agree. I don't think its your opinion nearly as much as your ass-ish way of delivering it.

I don't think its games. I think its stupid and a waste of time. I wish everyone would quit bitching, man up, and get along. This isn't a political issue and yet it gets turned into the same type of discussion time after time. I am in the "sick of it - don't really give a fudge anymore" crew.

[Scott Campbell]

what do you mean by that Harv? Who have I called names? in any fashion?



You called me a big moron.

[GrnBay007]

what do you mean by that Harv? Who have I called names? in any fashion?



You called me a big moron.

Naaa, I may have called you a male slut for having 7 wives, but never a moron. :P

[Scott Campbell]

what do you mean by that Harv? Who have I called names? in any fashion?



You called me a big moron.

Naaa, I may have called you a male slut for having 7 wives, but never a moron. :P


Ok - true. But you were thinking it!

:lol:

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't have an answer on how to stop the madness, but this is why I think it occurs.

Well you sure don't stop the madness by calling a bunch of people names. Talk about instigating!!!

I think they're fine people. Collins is my boy. RG and I occasionally chat on the IM. RG has been instrumental in reversing my fortunes many times around here.

I have a method behind my madness. I've chosen my words carefully.


Apparently you haven't chosen them carefully enough, because I'm not really amused. Maybe this is fun and games for you, but it isn't for me. Play games with someone else, ok?

I happen to believe that there is an issue with the way some posters think. I tried my best to illustrate it, but my words have been so twisted no one is even looking at what I actually said.

Just move on to something else. I've got no time for college boy games.

Give up the hard ass routine, seriously what are you going to do to Partial? Give him a time out. He called you a jerk, and a asshat, either you call him some names or just drop it. I am beginning to believe that all this is not becoming as productive as I thought, I was trying to get this back into the football thread but fuck that now, thanks a lot Partial, ruined my day.

I understand you feel a backed into a corner, but I don't know where, Partial stated that he believes you write like a jerk. So one poster states he feels that why. I think your posts are ok, so relax, nobody likes partial anyways.

[Zool]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

Good thing I didnt ask for it then. Trying to keep the forum running smoothly not give you a place to bitch.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

Good thing I didnt ask for it then. Trying to keep the forum running smoothly not give you a place to bitch.

you don't have to ask, I give my opinion free of charge, and you like it, don't be a little pissed because someone questioned mod authority, the only person you have to answer to is Mad, and he will back you on the front side.

You mods ever wonder why these bullshit threads go for so long? Because believe it or not people are interested in a little drama.

I agree now that it was moved into the RR and the posts that have been added to it make it a RR thread not about football anymore, just sorry ass egos.

[Partial]

It was never an attempt at a football thread. It was Shadow saying he was right.

I'm not down with being right or wrong. I enjoy the ride.

[SkinBasket]

II have a feeling that people with strong positive feelings toward Thompson and his approach feel they are being marginalized ... who are now apparently part of some protected endangered species act.

the solution is obvious: include those with STRONG, POSITIVE feelings towards Ted under the endangered species act. No reason for you to be marginalized. In fact, the margins are no place to cast ANY PackerRat. We need smaller margins, perhaps eliminate them entirely: Madtown, can you do that?

You intentionally misquoted me to make me look much dumber than I am! No where did I ever type "II!" That, and by ADDING a comma between strong and positive, have completely distorted what I've said! I'm going to chop you up and flush you down a dirty public toilet! Put that in your margin you big meanie!

[Zool]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

Good thing I didnt ask for it then. Trying to keep the forum running smoothly not give you a place to bitch.

you don't have to ask, I give my opinion free of charge, and you like it, don't be a little pissed because someone questioned mod authority, the only person you have to answer to is Mad, and he will back you on the front side.

You mods ever wonder why these bullshit threads go for so long? Because believe it or not people are interested in a little drama.

I agree now that it was moved into the RR and the posts that have been added to it make it a RR thread not about football anymore, just sorry ass egos.

Ha...Can dish it but cannot take it? I was actually joking with you, but i wont if you're gonna get all butt-hurt.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

Good thing I didnt ask for it then. Trying to keep the forum running smoothly not give you a place to bitch.

you don't have to ask, I give my opinion free of charge, and you like it, don't be a little pissed because someone questioned mod authority, the only person you have to answer to is Mad, and he will back you on the front side.

You mods ever wonder why these bullshit threads go for so long? Because believe it or not people are interested in a little drama.

I agree now that it was moved into the RR and the posts that have been added to it make it a RR thread not about football anymore, just sorry ass egos.

Ha...Can dish it but cannot take it? I was actually joking with you, but i wont if you're gonna get all butt-hurt.

I was being an asshole, who would joke with an asshole?
This is some serious shit, the time for laughs come later.
I wasn't talking about your ego in particular.
Come on, how did you think I was all butt-hurt about it?
I just don't like threads being moved unless they have to, at the time I didn't think this thread needed to be moved, it was everything everyone had said it was, but yet it was still about Ted Thompson, the last I checked he is not only a football topic, but an important figure in the Packers organization.

[Freak Out]

Khaaaaan!

http://www.khaaan.com/

[Zool]

Ridiculous. Feeling persecuted on a message board.

I assume you all think you're fighting some sort of good fight, but like i've tried to explain (unsuccessfully) about 6000 times in the past, the only thing you are succeeding in doing is turning off current and potential members.

I'm not even pointing a finger at one side or the other, I'm calling you all out. When is enough? Do you honestly thing this is getting anywhere, or are you simply bitching cause you want an argument? If its the latter, please at least take this BS to the romper room, exactly where this thread is going.

God, its like running a fucking daycare.


This a football issue and it belongs in the Packer area. That is a bullshit move taking this to the Romper room. I guess if we argue too much about a subject it gets hidden in an area that it doesn't belong.

Poor moderating in my professional opinion. :roll:

Good thing I didnt ask for it then. Trying to keep the forum running smoothly not give you a place to bitch.

you don't have to ask, I give my opinion free of charge, and you like it, don't be a little pissed because someone questioned mod authority, the only person you have to answer to is Mad, and he will back you on the front side.

You mods ever wonder why these bullshit threads go for so long? Because believe it or not people are interested in a little drama.

I agree now that it was moved into the RR and the posts that have been added to it make it a RR thread not about football anymore, just sorry ass egos.

Ha...Can dish it but cannot take it? I was actually joking with you, but i wont if you're gonna get all butt-hurt.

I was being an asshole, who would joke with an asshole?
This is some serious shit, the time for laughs come later.
I wasn't talking about your ego in particular.
Come on, how did you think I was all butt-hurt about it?
I just don't like threads being moved unless they have to, at the time I didn't think this thread needed to be moved, it was everything everyone had said it was, but yet it was still about Ted Thompson, the last I checked he is not only a football topic, but an important figure in the Packers organization.

Please, this dicussion devolved so far from anything related to football that it should just be trashed. This is a bitch session plain and simple.

Plus I guess I dont take you too seriously.

I still say you're butt-hurt, just cause I like to say it, and I think after this weekend, Skin's gonna make it a reality.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the key is to keep your cool and just be nice.


http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/graphics/fullsize/ncdy_lg.gif

[SkinBasket]

Please, this dicussion devolved so far from anything related to football that it should just be trashed. This is a bitch session plain and simple.

Plus I guess I dont take you too seriously.

I still say you're butt-hurt, just cause I like to say it, and I think after this weekend, Skin's gonna make it a reality.

Seems to me that the very people responsible for moving the thread were the ones most involved in the thread "devolving so far from anything football related." Strange that.

[Little Whiskey]

But I don't buy into this calling out of posters in a negative manner with these I told you so threads. Nothing but bad come of them.



isn't this what you are doing with your sig



IN HONOR OF BEARWEEK
Bearman:"Lap it up cheeseheads, it'll be the last time that you are one up on Da BEARS ! Take a picture, frame it, cos you all will be all back of the bus soon enough"

[Zool]

Please, this dicussion devolved so far from anything related to football that it should just be trashed. This is a bitch session plain and simple.

Plus I guess I dont take you too seriously.

I still say you're butt-hurt, just cause I like to say it, and I think after this weekend, Skin's gonna make it a reality.

Seems to me that the very people responsible for moving the thread were the ones most involved in the thread "devolving so far from anything football related." Strange that.

Strange, being that I didnt respond until like page 5 and tried to talk about something football related.

[Bretsky]

But I don't buy into this calling out of posters in a negative manner with these I told you so threads. Nothing but bad come of them.



isn't this what you are doing with your sig



IN HONOR OF BEARWEEK
Bearman:"Lap it up cheeseheads, it'll be the last time that you are one up on Da BEARS ! Take a picture, frame it, cos you all will be all back of the bus soon enough"

Good point; I will remove it. Now maybe with some serous luck this thread can die :idea:

[Partial]

I don't think there would be a problem if the people that bitch and moan about mistreatment weren't asses to other posters.

[Little Whiskey]

I figured i could suck you back in. like a train wreck you had to look! :lol:

[SkinBasket]

Please, this dicussion devolved so far from anything related to football that it should just be trashed. This is a bitch session plain and simple.

Plus I guess I dont take you too seriously.

I still say you're butt-hurt, just cause I like to say it, and I think after this weekend, Skin's gonna make it a reality.

Seems to me that the very people responsible for moving the thread were the ones most involved in the thread "devolving so far from anything football related." Strange that.

Strange, being that I didnt respond until like page 5 and tried to talk about something football related.

People Zool! PEOPLE. You are not people. You are a person. Singular. At least as far as I know.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Zool's a good person. I've said my peace. I can't wait to meet some of you hosers in a few days.

[Bretsky]

I figured i could suck you back in. like a train wreck you had to look! :lol:

When it comes down to it I'm not too smart; several times I have thought there is nothing in here anymore worth responding to or commenting on. And then I get outsmarted again after mentally trying to put it all on ignore :lol:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bretsky, this is God, go to Green Bay (this weekend).

[Zool]

Please, this dicussion devolved so far from anything related to football that it should just be trashed. This is a bitch session plain and simple.

Plus I guess I dont take you too seriously.

I still say you're butt-hurt, just cause I like to say it, and I think after this weekend, Skin's gonna make it a reality.

Seems to me that the very people responsible for moving the thread were the ones most involved in the thread "devolving so far from anything football related." Strange that.

Strange, being that I didnt respond until like page 5 and tried to talk about something football related.

People Zool! PEOPLE. You are not people. You are a person. Singular. At least as far as I know.

(poking the bee's nest) I moved the thread of my own volition, without any other mod input. I'm fancy, but not multiplicity fancy.

[GrnBay007]

This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it.

I TOLD YOU SO!!

There, I finally got to say it too!!! :thank:

[Freak Out]

This little monster will grow to 12 pages by the end of the week and have all kinds of nasty things posted in it.

I TOLD YOU SO!!

There, I finally got to say it too!!! :thank:

The Oracle has spoken.

:lol:

[retailguy]

Please, this dicussion devolved so far from anything related to football that it should just be trashed. This is a bitch session plain and simple.

Plus I guess I dont take you too seriously.

I still say you're butt-hurt, just cause I like to say it, and I think after this weekend, Skin's gonna make it a reality.

Seems to me that the very people responsible for moving the thread were the ones most involved in the thread "devolving so far from anything football related." Strange that.

Strange, being that I didnt respond until like page 5 and tried to talk about something football related.

People Zool! PEOPLE. You are not people. You are a person. Singular. At least as far as I know.

(poking the bee's nest) I moved the thread of my own volition, without any other mod input. I'm fancy, but not multiplicity fancy.

Ah, Zool <sigh>. He's talking about me, I don't know how I'm "people" anymore than you, however, it doesn't matter.

I didn't move the thread, didn't discuss it with Zool, but fully support ANY action taken by another mod.

Is that clear enough for all? (Zool- wasn't directed at you...just restating the obvious)

[RashanGary]

Honestly, there hasn't been much gloating since the season started and I don't forsee much of it even if the Packers go 13-3 and win the NFC Championship (falling short in the SB becuase that is inevitable)

This is the first real thread made in the name of TT's redemption. During the off season, I mentioned rehashing this stuff when the evidence was in because you (RG) made it seem as if you had all of the answers. I wanted to make sure that you knew you were going to be accountable for your words. It was mostly because of how repetitive, sarcastic and foolishly confident you were. Now that it's happening, I could care less.

I jumped in here because I'm not going to let Shadow fight this thing alone after he backed me up all off season. I had a bad feeling about this thread, but I knew Shadow didn't really mean harm so I wanted to help a decent guy out. I mention RG because I don't want decent, humble posters to think I'm calling them out for just questioning TT (that was never the way it was, but it probably seemed that way with how bitter things got).

I do think Ted Thompson was bound to succeed with the way he approached his job, but who knows, he could have just gotten lucky. I had more fun defending Ted Thompson against blind hate than I do about dancing around saying "told ya so". Like others point out, we can all say "told ya so" about something. I was dead wrong about the run game. I still think it might turn around, but early results in show me to be wrong. It happens.

Anyway, as things get better and better I hope Shadow can refrain from such threads, as will I. It would feel good to come out on the winning end of season long debates with people who acctually want to find real answers, but with someone like you, RG, it's really not even worth the time taht we put in. It took SOV coming back for you to finially snap out of the sarcastic antagonist to the hate motivated guy that you are.

Honestly, who cares what happens. For all of the Packer fans here who just want success, we are having fun, enjoying the winning but worrying about the possible traps. For those who hate a member of the Packers and are annoyed by success, this is really just abig waste of time. It took too many months on my part to realize that.

[Deputy Nutz]

Wait, Bretsky isn't coming this weekend. BOOO!!!!!!

This thread can go blow itself.

[Zool]

Nutz dont you think if it could, it would? I think it would need some ribs removed first.

RG I knew what he was saying, but feigning dumb irritates people, and that was my intent.

[Deputy Nutz]

This should be the last post since 007 said this thread should only be 12 pages.

[GrnBay007]

This should be the last post since 007 said this thread should only be 12 pages.

Good Boy! :P