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Packnut
10-01-2007, 10:55 AM
I find it AMAZING how these guys just try to pretend that their constant critical articles about Favre never happened. I mean Banks wrote Brett should retire and how he was hurting the organization by not retiring. He criticized TT for not getting rid of Favre. It's one thing for someone like Shadow to tell us last year how Favre should retire and Rodgers should start but Banks gets paid to be right.

Renaissance man
Favre melds past, present lessons to break TD record
Posted: Sunday September 30, 2007 10:03PM; Updated: Monday October 1, 2007 12:57AM


Brett Favre's 421st career touchdown pass derived from a play-audible he called just seconds before the game clock expired.
Jeff Gross/Getty Images
All-Time Record Holders for Career TD Passes
Name Years TDs
Bennie Friedman 1930-43 66
Arnie Herber 1940-43 66
Sammy Baugh 1943-62 187
Bobby Layne 1961-63 196
Y.A. Tittle 1963-66 212
Johnny Unitas 1966-75 290
Fran Tarkenton 1975-95 342
Dan Marino 1995-2007 420
Brett Favre 2007-present 421





MINNEAPOLIS -- It looked like he was going to run out of time, but then he made a late mid-course correction and wound up the hero once again.

How familiar. How fitting. How perfect that Brett Favre's record-setting moment on Sunday so closely echoed the unexpected career renaissance that keeps unfolding for him and the Green Bay Packers -- week by week in this 2007 season.

On the play that he broke Dan Marino's NFL career touchdown record against the Minnesota Vikings at the Metrodome, Favre pushed time to the limit on the play clock. He audibled to a call he felt had big-play potential and could beat the blitz, and then stood in the pocket and fired a 16-yard scoring strike to receiver Greg Jennings for a slice of history.

In other words, he showed us all again why it's never wise to doubt Brett Favre. Despite playing in his 17th NFL season, he's not out of time. And as a quarterback, he can still improvise and adapt and make the big play when it matters most. In some ways, the record-setter was the trajectory of the latter stages of his career boiled down to a snap. It was his answer to all the doubters who have weighed in on his declining game in recent years.

It was Favre changing a play, and at the same time proving he has changed his game just enough to rediscover a whole new chapter of late-career success.

"I felt like I knew we were pressed for time, but I really felt this would be a big play if we could get it off,'' said Favre of the touchdown pass. "I knew (the Vikings) were going to come with more than we could block. I knew Greg, and I feel like that's what our receivers are very good at, those type of routes.''

Favre was on the ground, planted by a Vikings defender, by the time Jennings slanted across the goal line and erased Marino from the record books. But if Favre is to be believed, he was the last one in the house to do the math and realize that history had just unfolded. While everyone else was fixated on touchdown pass No. 421, Favre said he was only thinking 7-0.

"The last thing on my mind was the record,'' Favre said, almost an hour after the 23-16 win, the Packers' fourth in a row to start the season. "Maybe 20 seconds or 30 seconds later it just kind of hit me that, 'OK, we got it off. We executed it correctly, there are no flags. This is how an efficient offense is supposed to work.' I'm excited, and as I go down and congratulate Greg, it kind of dawned on me.

"I wasn't expecting any stoppage [of the game], especially [being on the road]. I guess it is everything I thought it would be. The most important thing is that we scored and set the tone for the rest of the game.''

The truly remarkable thing about Favre and the Packers' success this season is the fact that Green Bay's offense is virtually without a running game. It's Favre and his receivers, and everybody knows it. The Packers ran 20 times for 46 yards against the Vikings, and that will ensure that they remain ranked last in the league in rushing again this week at 54.2 yards per game.

By comparison, Favre threw 45 times against the Vikings, completing 32 passes to 10 receivers. He was uncannily accurate all day long, putting a succession of balls on his receivers' fingertips. He wound up with 344 yards passing, two touchdowns, no interceptions and a sterling 108.0 passer rating. I'm sure he has played better in his Hall of Fame career; but at 10 days shy of his 38th birthday, Favre was a marvel in Minnesota.

"I think, given the year we had last year, we all appreciate to see the way he is going about his business this year,'' said Jennings, the second-year receiver who has now been lucky enough to catch Favre's 400th, 420th and 421st touchdown passes. "He is a totally different player. He is understanding us more, and he is almost like a parent that has kids for the first time. He understands us more, and he is beginning to trust us. We are what he has, and he's making the best of it.''

Favre bristles at the notion that he has changed his game this season, becoming more of a game-manager type quarterback than the gunslinger he has been known as. He acknowledges that he has had to take fewer chances downfield this season, but only because Green Bay has so often been ahead, and less desperate.

Whatever the appropriate label, something's working. He was no game manager in the classic sense against Minnesota. He was in command from start to finish of the game's tempo and momentum, and the confidence that flowed so easily in his glory years is back in full force. Dare we say it? No. 4 is having fun again.

"The record is better because we won,'' Favre said. "It was as good a team effort as we've had. [I knew] in order for us to win, I'd have to throw a touchdown pass. We are in a throwing mode right now. But the win itself was great. It's a win, and it gets this behind us. It was awkward. There was so much emphasis on this record and not on the game itself. I didn't want to get blind-sided by this record and what we are actually here for.''

There was no blind-siding of Favre on this day. The record he really cares about may be 4-0, but he's got the NFL's career touchdown pass record safely put away as well; and he did it in high style in a division rival's stadium that was once his own personal house of horrors.

As a moment captured in time, No. 421 was vintage Favre. At least the latter-day version. Total it all up, and 4-2-1 adds up to seven. How appropriate, because seven is what Favre's right arm has been good for his entire Green Bay career. More times than not, when the Packers needed it most.








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Bossman641
10-01-2007, 11:18 AM
In other words, he showed us all again why it's never wise to doubt Brett Favre. Despite playing in his 17th NFL season, he's not out of time. And as a quarterback, he can still improvise and adapt and make the big play when it matters most. In some ways, the record-setter was the trajectory of the latter stages of his career boiled down to a snap. It was his answer to all the doubters who have weighed in on his declining game in recent years.

You mean like you have over and over again.

Give me a break.

HarveyWallbangers
10-01-2007, 11:23 AM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.

Bossman641
10-01-2007, 11:38 AM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.

I think you misread my post. I wasn't calling out Packnut.

I was calling out Banks for criticizing Favre last year and this offseason, questioning his return this year, and then turning around and acting like he's been behind Favre the whole time.

HarveyWallbangers
10-01-2007, 11:47 AM
Well, that too.
:D

Packnut
10-01-2007, 02:41 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.

Hey, why not tell us all again how good Manuel is.

cpk1994
10-01-2007, 02:46 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.

I think you misread my post. I wasn't calling out Packnut.

I was calling out Banks for criticizing Favre last year and this offseason, questioning his return this year, and then turning around and acting like he's been behind Favre the whole time.

You just lost your argument because of the two lines you bolded. Don't you think when Banks wrote those two lines that he included himself, thereby admitting he was wrong?

Packnut
10-01-2007, 02:48 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.


Yeah, I'm wrong for saying our O line had not improved the way you and others had claimed it would and I also stated we would have no run game. I also wrote a little article boasting about our D BEFORE everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Our offense is producing thanks to #04 and I've been defending him for how long now? Ya know Harv, jealousy is VERY un-becoming. Go back to defending Manuel, you were much better at that.........

Zool
10-01-2007, 02:51 PM
(patting Packnut on the back)

You're doing a fine job my friend.

Partial
10-01-2007, 02:53 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.


Yeah, I'm wrong for saying our O line had not improved the way you and others had claimed it would and I also stated we would have no run game. I also wrote a little article boasting about our D BEFORE everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Our offense is producing thanks to #04 and I've been defending him for how long now? Ya know Harv, jealousy is VERY un-becoming. Go back to defending Manuel, you were much better at that.........

Hey how's Eric Johnson doing? Stop being an asshat. You made an idiotic thread about how this team has SB potential and TT didn't do enough, when all off-season you were bitching and moaning about a lack of FA signings stating all these holes on our team and whatnot. We're just fine. Who cares? What's done is done.

You guys are all like a spiteful mother fuckers all looking to make everybody around here think you're the biggest and baddest and smartest when it comes to football. It's really kind of pathetic.

Zool
10-01-2007, 02:56 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.


Yeah, I'm wrong for saying our O line had not improved the way you and others had claimed it would and I also stated we would have no run game. I also wrote a little article boasting about our D BEFORE everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Our offense is producing thanks to #04 and I've been defending him for how long now? Ya know Harv, jealousy is VERY un-becoming. Go back to defending Manuel, you were much better at that.........

Hey how's Eric Johnson doing? Stop being an asshat. You made an idiotic thread about how this team has SB potential and TT didn't do enough, when all off-season you were bitching and moaning about a lack of FA signings stating all these holes on our team and whatnot. We're just fine. Who cares? What's done is done.

You guys are all like a spiteful mother fuckers all looking to make everybody around here think you're the biggest and baddest and smartest when it comes to football. It's really kind of pathetic.

Quiet down Morrency.

Partial
10-01-2007, 03:01 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.


Yeah, I'm wrong for saying our O line had not improved the way you and others had claimed it would and I also stated we would have no run game. I also wrote a little article boasting about our D BEFORE everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Our offense is producing thanks to #04 and I've been defending him for how long now? Ya know Harv, jealousy is VERY un-becoming. Go back to defending Manuel, you were much better at that.........

Hey how's Eric Johnson doing? Stop being an asshat. You made an idiotic thread about how this team has SB potential and TT didn't do enough, when all off-season you were bitching and moaning about a lack of FA signings stating all these holes on our team and whatnot. We're just fine. Who cares? What's done is done.

You guys are all like a spiteful mother fuckers all looking to make everybody around here think you're the biggest and baddest and smartest when it comes to football. It's really kind of pathetic.

Quiet down Morrency.

My boy is looking sharp fool!

MJZiggy
10-01-2007, 03:02 PM
who's gonna write Banks and remind him of his own past comments on the matter???

Zool
10-01-2007, 03:04 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.


Yeah, I'm wrong for saying our O line had not improved the way you and others had claimed it would and I also stated we would have no run game. I also wrote a little article boasting about our D BEFORE everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Our offense is producing thanks to #04 and I've been defending him for how long now? Ya know Harv, jealousy is VERY un-becoming. Go back to defending Manuel, you were much better at that.........

Hey how's Eric Johnson doing? Stop being an asshat. You made an idiotic thread about how this team has SB potential and TT didn't do enough, when all off-season you were bitching and moaning about a lack of FA signings stating all these holes on our team and whatnot. We're just fine. Who cares? What's done is done.

You guys are all like a spiteful mother fuckers all looking to make everybody around here think you're the biggest and baddest and smartest when it comes to football. It's really kind of pathetic.

Quiet down Morrency.

My boy is looking sharp fool!

Could you get him out of Bubba's 2006 buttered popcorn bowl before the game? And also ask him and Grant to stop holding hands.

Partial
10-01-2007, 03:06 PM
I'm with you. Packnut should be the last one calling out another poster for being wrong about something.

I'm still waiting for the tone to change to: the Packers are pretty good, but they could win the Super Bowl if Thompson had made the right moves. I called it a couple of weeks ago.


Yeah, I'm wrong for saying our O line had not improved the way you and others had claimed it would and I also stated we would have no run game. I also wrote a little article boasting about our D BEFORE everyone else jumped on the bandwagon.

Our offense is producing thanks to #04 and I've been defending him for how long now? Ya know Harv, jealousy is VERY un-becoming. Go back to defending Manuel, you were much better at that.........

Hey how's Eric Johnson doing? Stop being an asshat. You made an idiotic thread about how this team has SB potential and TT didn't do enough, when all off-season you were bitching and moaning about a lack of FA signings stating all these holes on our team and whatnot. We're just fine. Who cares? What's done is done.

You guys are all like a spiteful mother fuckers all looking to make everybody around here think you're the biggest and baddest and smartest when it comes to football. It's really kind of pathetic.

Quiet down Morrency.

My boy is looking sharp fool!

Could you get him out of Bubba's 2006 buttered popcorn bowl before the game? And also ask him and Grant to stop holding hands.

He looked strong and quick on that screen. He is as fast as Green was last year but quicker. Hopefully now Jackson gets made into the third down back as I think he looks good out of the backfield.

Did you think Bubba made that leaping grab? It sure looked like it to me.

Zool
10-01-2007, 03:13 PM
I have to say i didnt get to watch a majority of the game as I was trimming a basement. Havent gone back to the DVR yet.

On a related note to anyone in the MN radio listening audience, are the Vikings radio announcers the worst to have ever been on the air. If they were the Packers announcers I would never listen. Its not even that they are huge homers. The play by play guy makes a 2 yard run at mid field into the line sound like a 4th and goal with :05 to play. Every single hit is a crunching blow, yet he cant take the time to let us know the down and distance about 50% of the time.

[/rant]

4and12to12and4
10-01-2007, 03:15 PM
No, he did not catch that ball, it hit the ground, wow, you guys really need to get a DVR box.

Partial
10-01-2007, 03:18 PM
I have to say i didnt get to watch a majority of the game as I was trimming a basement. Havent gone back to the DVR yet.

On a related note to anyone in the MN radio listening audience, are the Vikings radio announcers the worst to have ever been on the air. If they were the Packers announcers I would never listen. Its not even that they are huge homers. The play by play guy makes a 2 yard run at mid field into the line sound like a 4th and goal with :05 to play. Every single hit is a crunching blow, yet he cant take the time to let us know the down and distance about 50% of the time.

[/rant]

The TV announcers were terrible for the game as well. Very irritating. I like Wayne and Larry a lot.

Bossman641
10-01-2007, 03:28 PM
I've heard them once. I almost wanted to shut the radio off rather than listen to the game.

have you heard the Bears' announcers? It's the same thing. Every hit is bone-crunching, every play by the opposition is downplayed so much.

That's why I love listening to the Packers team, they do a great job of explaining what the other team does well and give credit when it is due.

KYPack
10-01-2007, 06:40 PM
I have to say i didnt get to watch a majority of the game as I was trimming a basement. Havent gone back to the DVR yet.

On a related note to anyone in the MN radio listening audience, are the Vikings radio announcers the worst to have ever been on the air. If they were the Packers announcers I would never listen. Its not even that they are huge homers. The play by play guy makes a 2 yard run at mid field into the line sound like a 4th and goal with :05 to play. Every single hit is a crunching blow, yet he cant take the time to let us know the down and distance about 50% of the time.

[/rant]

The TV announcers were terrible for the game as well. Very irritating. I like Wayne and Larry a lot.

I couldn't believe the TV announcers. This had to be a fairly big game for Fox. Why did they give us the "D" team?

Ron Pitts and JC Pearson?

Ron is Elijah's boy, but who is Pearson (might be the wrong name)?

& How much would it take to shut his ass up?

At least it wasn't Moose. God, he is bad.

BallHawk
10-01-2007, 07:39 PM
Speaking of changing tunes, how 'bout that one Ruvell Martin guy? :D

Nah, he just needs to get involved more.

The Shadow
10-01-2007, 07:59 PM
. It's one thing for someone like Shadow to tell us last year how Favre should retire and Rodgers should start but Banks gets paid to be right.

??????????????????????????
Cue the Twilight Zone Theme here, please.
On one level, tho, you have to hand it to old Numbnut : he never seems to let the truth get in the way of an errant recollection, does he?
Kukoo, Kukoo, Kukoo.

Cheesehead Craig
10-01-2007, 08:47 PM
I have to say i didnt get to watch a majority of the game as I was trimming a basement. Havent gone back to the DVR yet.

On a related note to anyone in the MN radio listening audience, are the Vikings radio announcers the worst to have ever been on the air. If they were the Packers announcers I would never listen. Its not even that they are huge homers. The play by play guy makes a 2 yard run at mid field into the line sound like a 4th and goal with :05 to play. Every single hit is a crunching blow, yet he cant take the time to let us know the down and distance about 50% of the time.

[/rant]
+1

Paul Allen gets excited over everything:

There's 10 seconds on the playclock!!!!

It's 2nd and 5!!!!

I need a PBJ sandwich!!!

cpk1994
10-02-2007, 08:47 AM
I have to say i didnt get to watch a majority of the game as I was trimming a basement. Havent gone back to the DVR yet.

On a related note to anyone in the MN radio listening audience, are the Vikings radio announcers the worst to have ever been on the air. If they were the Packers announcers I would never listen. Its not even that they are huge homers. The play by play guy makes a 2 yard run at mid field into the line sound like a 4th and goal with :05 to play. Every single hit is a crunching blow, yet he cant take the time to let us know the down and distance about 50% of the time.

[/rant]

The TV announcers were terrible for the game as well. Very irritating. I like Wayne and Larry a lot.

I couldn't believe the TV announcers. This had to be a fairly big game for Fox. Why did they give us the "D" team?

Ron Pitts and JC Pearson?

Ron is Elijah's boy, but who is Pearson (might be the wrong name)?

& How much would it take to shut his ass up?

At least it wasn't Moose. God, he is bad.

Ironically, Pearson is a former Vike.

Zool
10-02-2007, 08:55 AM
BOINK

Zool
10-02-2007, 08:56 AM
I have to say i didnt get to watch a majority of the game as I was trimming a basement. Havent gone back to the DVR yet.

On a related note to anyone in the MN radio listening audience, are the Vikings radio announcers the worst to have ever been on the air. If they were the Packers announcers I would never listen. Its not even that they are huge homers. The play by play guy makes a 2 yard run at mid field into the line sound like a 4th and goal with :05 to play. Every single hit is a crunching blow, yet he cant take the time to let us know the down and distance about 50% of the time.

[/rant]

The TV announcers were terrible for the game as well. Very irritating. I like Wayne and Larry a lot.

I couldn't believe the TV announcers. This had to be a fairly big game for Fox. Why did they give us the "D" team?

Ron Pitts and JC Pearson?

Ron is Elijah's boy, but who is Pearson (might be the wrong name)?

& How much would it take to shut his ass up?

At least it wasn't Moose. God, he is bad.

Ironically, Pearson is a former Vike.

And Pitts is a former Packer. I actually dont hate Pitts, but Pearson is bad.

The Shadow
10-02-2007, 05:18 PM
Do you really put any credence in anything the talking heads say?
Don't you intently watch the action so you can SEE what's going on, and delegate most commentary to the refrigerator noise category?