Official Bears @ Packers Game Thread

[Rastak]

Big 3rd down......

[gbgary]

COME ON PACKER D!!

[GrnBay007]

i'm starting to feel ill.

Me too!!

[Rastak]

Another run! Yikes.....very lucky....

[Lurker64]

Would have been nice to get some better push by the DL.

[Packers4Glory]

game over boys. its gonna happen

[BallHawk]

Not a first down if we can freakin' wrap up Benson behind the LOS.

[cheesner]

i'm starting to feel ill.

Me too!!
They are just setting the drama for a Favre comeback!

[BEARMAN]

First Down !

[PackerTimer]

turnover. turnover.

[retailguy]

Not a first down if we can freakin' wrap up Benson behind the LOS.

that was peterson

[BallHawk]

What the hell is the point of a challenge?

[Lurker64]

Questionable challenge, hmm... We'll probably need that Time Out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

what a stupid challenge!

[Rastak]

Whoa.....bad challenge...it sure looked like a first down.

edit: Maybe he was short!

[]{ilr]3]

Challenging the spot????

What the hell MM

I guess, hes the coach right

[Packers4Glory]

way to BURNNNNNNNNn a TIME OUT assclown MM. dumbfucker

[BENZITO]

its close....

[PackerTimer]

is this even close.

good challenge. that is way short.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Seems like two dumb challenges tonight.

[BallHawk]

Not a first down if we can freakin' wrap up Benson behind the LOS.

that was peterson

I meant on 3rd down.

[Harlan Huckleby]

anybody out there not willing to trade Justin Harrell for Gred Olson?

[Lurker64]

Actually, looking at the replay, he was likely short. MCarthy should probably win this.

[GrnBay007]

i'm starting to feel ill.

Me too!!
They are just setting the drama for a Favre comeback!

Add to the books of 4th Q comebacks??? PLEASE be the case!!!!

[Rastak]

Wow, it's pretty close...not sure they have enough evidence to overturn it.

[b bulldog]

Looks to be short

[PackerTimer]

Wow, it's pretty close...not sure they have enough evidence to overturn it.

yeah, he looked way short until they zoomed in and you could see his knee wasn't quite down yet.

[b bulldog]

I cannot believe that this game is where it is after the beginning of the game

[Harlan Huckleby]

guess some of us owe Mike an apologize.

You guys apologize!

[Lurker64]

So does that mean that McCarthy won the challenge?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Whoa! I take it back!

[Packers4Glory]

anybody out there not willing to trade Justin Harrell for Gred Olson?

bear fans

[Rastak]

So if it's a first down GB get's charged for a timeout.


I think that's how it works.....

[cheesner]

I didn't think they would overturn that. its 7 inches.

[BEARMAN]

First Down !

[Rastak]

Holy crap that was close......

[PackerTimer]

So does that mean that McCarthy won the challenge?

i think the first down call has to be reversed. so they lost the TO.

[Packers4Glory]

game set match

[gbgary]

COME ON PACKER D!!

[cheesner]

time for a turnover.

[PackerTimer]

say it with me. TURNOVER.

[Rastak]

game set match
Dude, it ain't over yet.

[Lurker64]

I don't understand why you lose the challenge when review shows that the spot was incorrect.

[]{ilr]3]

That shouldnt cost a time out should it?

They moved the ball, the refs were wrong on the spot and MM won even if they didnt get them to 4th down

[cheesner]

So does that mean that McCarthy won the challenge?

i think the first down call has to be reversed. so they lost the TO.they changed the ruling; no TO will be charged.

[Lurker64]

If Chicago can run for a couple of first downs, it's likely over.

[Rastak]

I'm amazed he got that many off tackle...the Packers were playing run it seemed....

[Lurker64]

3rd and 2. Come on D!

[Rastak]

If Chicago can run for a couple of first downs, it's likely over.

They still gotta hit a field goal.....

[PackerTimer]

So does that mean that McCarthy won the challenge?

i think the first down call has to be reversed. so they lost the TO.they changed the ruling; no TO will be charged.

i'm pretty sure we are down to two timeouts.

[Harlan Huckleby]

anybody out there not willing to trade Justin Harrell for Gred Olson?

bear fans

nah, just nursing a grudge.

he would been a big help to pack.

[gbgary]

watch out for a pass here

[BEARMAN]

GO BEARS GO !

[cheesner]

shit

[Lurker64]

Well, the Packers are going to get the ball back.

Shit, though.

[Rastak]

Perfect play action pass......

[PackerTimer]

watch out for a pass here

good call. shit.

[Harlan Huckleby]

hey, if the bears would have JUST gotten a first down, they could have run down the clock AND kicked a field goal - game over.


This TD is not the worst outcome!

[Lurker64]

Green Bay has two minutes and a couple of time outs and they need a touchdown. This is doable. Put Jones back in there.

[Rastak]

hey, if the bears would have JUST gotten a first down, they could have run down the clock AND kicked a field goal - game over.


This TD is not the worst outcome!


Good point......


Packers should have only 1 timeout.

[b bulldog]

36, what a waste of athleticism

[PackerTimer]

the defense sold out to stop the run. wow did they get burned.

[Packers4Glory]

fucking collins not shoring up his duties first.

[cheesner]

Here we go Brett.

It is time.

[PackerTimer]

ok can #4 give us another win.

[retailguy]

fucking collins not shoring up his duties first.

I think that was Poppinga's guy. He came across the field...

[Harlan Huckleby]

i don't like the challenge on the ball spot. The odds are so against a challenger, the rule is stupid.

[gex]

I don't think our offense is suited for this kind of drive. I hope I'm wrong.

[Rastak]

fucking collins not shoring up his duties first.

I think that was Poppinga's guy. He came across the field...

Safety is the last line of defense......

[gbgary]

Green Bay has two minutes and a couple of time outs and they need a touchdown. This is doable. Put Jones back in there.

let's hope the bears play the prevent and we roll down the field for a td

[PackerTimer]

I don't think our offense is suited for this kind of drive. I hope I'm wrong.

not the way they have they played in the second half so far.

[Harlan Huckleby]

fucking collins not shoring up his duties first.

I think that was Poppinga's guy. He came across the field...

Safety is the last line of defense......

no, Safety First!

[Lurker64]

I don't think our offense is suited for this kind of drive. I hope I'm wrong.

Two minutes is a lot of time. There aren't many folks who have played in this league who are better clock managers than #4.

The issue is mostly "can we move the ball" given the way the offense has played in the second half.

[cheesner]

hurry it up brett. Dammit!

[Packers4Glory]

maybe they have a shot w/o MM calling the plays

[Lurker64]

A little more uptempo on the no-huddle please.

[Rastak]

Same play three times!

[Harlan Huckleby]

the short passes burned too much time.

christ

[PackerTimer]

we should have emptied out the backfield like this 15 minutes ago.

[Rastak]

You guys must be going nuts......

[fan4life]

When will coaches learn that you CANNOT win by "not making mistakes." GB made a ton of them today, but the coach, who decided he was going to punish those who made the mistakes, is just as much to blame.

Oh well. Maybe all will learn from their mistakes tonight.

[Harlan Huckleby]

dumb

[Harlan Huckleby]

how stupid. run out the clock and leave limitted chances. high school.

[Lurker64]

Gotta throw the endzone or the sideline now.

[Rastak]

Hmmmm......odd use of the clock......

[Packers4Glory]

no balls towards the sideline?

[Maxie the Taxi]

MM's playing for a field goal.

[PackerTimer]

A little more uptempo on the no-huddle please.

no kidding they got to the line and took another 3 or 4 seconds to snap the ball on every play.

[Harlan Huckleby]

this game is on the coaches

[cheesner]

good thing. He didnt' catch that. What the fuck is the point!

[Rastak]

Good thing he deropped that.....game over.

[Lurker64]

This will likely take a miracle.

[Harlan Huckleby]

good thing. He didnt' catch that. What the fuck is the point!

well,it would fit with strategy :)

[Rastak]

Pick, game over.

[]{ilr]3]

Just fucking great

[Harlan Huckleby]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

[Lurker64]

You'd think they might review that?

[PackerTimer]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.

[Brohm]

Worst half of football I have seen in a long time. That was just a pathetic display of ineptitude. Turn-overs. Penalties. And fuck if we can run the 2-minute drill.

[Packers4Glory]

fire McCarthy. what a fucktard

[Lurker64]

Well shit. I'm out folks.

Here's to going 5-1 at the Bye.

Still, I'm a Minnesota Packer fan so I'd rather beat the Vikes than the Bears every time. If we had to go 1-1 over the last couple, we won the one I wanted us to win.

[gbgary]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.

yup

[PackerTimer]

i can't believe what happened here tonight. i hope the players and coaches. feel as shitty as we do right now. they better learn from this.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Packers' young men are going to have to learn from this one. It's just too bad it's against the Bears.

[The Shadow]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

[RashanGary]

Good game any Bears fans. Fumbles, Penalties and bad playcalling. It was a good, hard fought game. The Bears played their hearts out and won.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And fuck if we can run the 2-minute drill.

that was the salt in the wound.

jsut poor game managment the whole 2nd half

[BEARMAN]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

[OS PA]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.

When we were pinned inside the 20 three possessions in a row McCarthy lost this game for us. Wtf was he thinking not going for a first down. We also lost this game by not kicking it out of the endzone. It's a bad night to be a Packer fan. God damnit.

[cheesner]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.McCartney didn't have a single fumble today.

[Harlan Huckleby]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

ya, 4 turnovers. But the Packers had the upper hand just the same. They werer WAY too passive the 2nd half.

[wpony]

well next week will tell how they come bace from a heart brakeing game like this will they bouce right back or fall apart like abounce of young kids :( lets hope for the best go pack go

[OS PA]

Congratulations on having a competent 2nd half BEARMAN enjoy it, come back to our forum and talk shit the next time your Chicago Bears score points...

[Harlan Huckleby]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

congrats. Bears played tough.

[PackerTimer]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

while that was a really bad play, it was one play. the horrible play calling extended for 30 minutes. and i'm a MM supporter. but he did not coach a very good game.

we had alot more yards and we lost. i said earlier that this felt like the bills game from last year. this game should have been over but turnovers and questionable calls blew this game.

[b bulldog]

AAAAAH I think we lost the game because of the turnover margin :roll:

[OS PA]

well next week will tell how they come bace from a heart brakeing game like this will they bouce right back or fall apart like abounce of young kids :( lets hope for the best go pack go

4-1
8-2
12-3
13-3

[LEWCWA]

Tough pill to swallow, Mc took the ball outta Favres hands after the pick and they never got the offense rolling again.

[Harlan Huckleby]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.McCartney didn't have a single fumble today.


well ya, but you can't tell me they had smart strategy in second half.

Despite the 4 turnovers, the Packers had PLENTY of chances with the ball to win.

[green_bowl_packer]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.

yup

They played not to lose in the second half, and not to win. Granted field position wasn't always that great, but they could of done all 2nd half what they did in the last drive.

[The Shadow]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

Congrats, Bearman. If we can give it to you, we should be able to take it.

[b bulldog]

This game is on Jones, the play calling, the penalties, Devin hester and a team that in the end that wanted it more.

[Harlan Huckleby]

it's only one loss.

they aren't a 16-0 team.

[b bulldog]

Washington is better than the bears but imo, we don't deserve to be in the same breathe as the Boys,Colts and Pats.

[PackerTimer]

it's only one loss.

they aren't a 16-0 team.

i guess, if somebody would have said you will be 4-1 after five games i would have taken it in a second. but 4-1 sucks alot right now. maybe tommorrow i will feel better about it.

[Packnut]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

while that was a really bad play, it was one play. the horrible play calling extended for 30 minutes. and i'm a MM supporter. but he did not coach a very good game.

we had alot more yards and we lost. i said earlier that this felt like the bills game from last year. this game should have been over but turnovers and questionable calls blew this game.

Smith Spanked MM plain and simple.

[BEARMAN]

Congratulations on having a competent 2nd half BEARMAN enjoy it, come back to our forum and talk shit the next time your Chicago Bears score points...
Thank You ! BG looked good, we should score a few more this season !

[]{ilr]3]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

No, your pathetic


At this point in time I see Da BEARS are done this season. Lovie may replace Rex, however Griese isnt a large step up. Anyway, we lost 5 "D" starters, that is why Da BEARS are done. By the time we get them all back, it may be too late for this season anyway.
Best of luck to your Pack, Represent the NFCN well. You keep Favre upright and you'll do well. Thanks for putting up with my whit and jockularity. I'll stop by from time to time to lighten your alls mood, or to remind you that lord Favre is still human after all. Cheers.

[The Shadow]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

while that was a really bad play, it was one play. the horrible play calling extended for 30 minutes. and i'm a MM supporter. but he did not coach a very good game.

we had alot more yards and we lost. i said earlier that this felt like the bills game from last year. this game should have been over but turnovers and questionable calls blew this game.

Smith Spanked MM plain and simple.

Sadly, not just McCarthy.....

[Fred's Slacks]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

Good for you tonight BEARMAN. You took our shit and kept your chin up. Your guys played hard tonight and deserved to win.

That said, this game falls completely on the coaches. When our guys don't secure the ball, that's on the coaches. When the play calling is ultra conservative and our 2 minute looks like a HS team that's coaching. They weren't prepared for the situation and it showed.

Also what's with the stupid f---ing leg kick to hike the ball. I know that's the signal but why the f--- does he have to do it 3 times before they snap the ball. They killed about 10 seconds on each play just doing the retarded leg kick.

[GrnBay007]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

Please don't tell me you are looking for a way to pin the loss on Brett?

[OS PA]

This game is on Jones, the play calling, the penalties, Devin hester and a team that in the end that wanted it more.

DESPITE James Jones fumbles we were ahead 20 - 10 coming into the second half. We lost this game by not kicking the ball deep, we had 330 yards in the first half and decided to change the gameplan. Someone please tell me why the hell we didn't come out at halftime and do the same damn thing?

[The Shadow]

Well, we got overconfidence out of the way.

[BEARMAN]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

Congrats, Bearman. If we can give it to you, we should be able to take it.
Than you Shadow, I will savore this a day or two, but we got along way to dethrone the pack.

[retailguy]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

Please don't tell me you are looking for a way to pin the loss on Brett?

Bingo!

[b bulldog]

My blame is on Jones. He doesn't fumble those balls and this is a blowout.

[woodbuck27]

Very tough loss.

Game plan change at half time (question mark) . . .

jeee.

The team looked spent.

Next game.

GO PACK GO !

[Lurker64]

BEARMAN is here, anyone want to talk to me?

Congrats on the win Bearman, you guys didn't make nearly as many critical mistakes as we did and you executed when you needed to. I'm not happy about the outcome, but that's more because my team failed at critical junctures than anything else.

Still, 4-1 beats 2-3.

[The Shadow]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

Please don't tell me you are looking for a way to pin the loss on Brett?

Bingo!

Oh no, that can never play any part in a loss!

[cheesner]

this game is on the coaches

agreed.McCartney didn't have a single fumble today.


well ya, but you can't tell me they had smart strategy in second half.

Despite the 4 turnovers, the Packers had PLENTY of chances with the ball to win.I agree, there were some definite strategy issues in the 2nd half.

But I believe a more major issue was the turnovers. They resulted directly in 10 points and we lost out on 2 more scoring opportunities. They also cost us the momentum.

[Brohm]

I definately did not anticipate a 16-0 team but this was unacceptable.

4-0, national television, at home, division game, Bear rivalry...dominating the first half:shock: and they shit themselves after halftime.

A loss I can handle. The shit brand of football that came out after the half I just cannot stand.

[b bulldog]

Disagree, the fumbles totally changed the entire game. Teams that win the turnover battle usually win the game, very simple.

[BEARMAN]

Any injuries ? I didn't hear/see any?

[PackerTimer]

This game is on Jones, the play calling, the penalties, Devin hester and a team that in the end that wanted it more.

DESPITE James Jones fumbles we were ahead 20 - 10 coming into the second half. We lost this game by not kicking the ball deep, we had 330 yards in the first half and decided to change the gameplan. Someone please tell me why the hell we didn't come out at halftime and do the same damn thing?

it was the the stupid strategy of not kicking to hester. that and penalties that kept putting us on the ten yard line. how do the bears have three and out after three and out and are punting from the fifty yard line all night? MM was conservative if every facet of the game the entire second half and it killed us.

[GrnBay007]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

Please don't tell me you are looking for a way to pin the loss on Brett?

Bingo!

Oh no, that can never play any part in a loss!

Yes......ONE bad play by ONE man always makes or breaks a game. Give me a break. Looks like MM was completely out coached by Lovie in the 2nd half.

Does this mean we will see a Retire Brett thread tomorrow? :roll:

[The Shadow]

How a team handles adversity tells a lot about it.
Now we will see.

[cheesner]

Its a game we could have won. That's what makes it hurt.

Perhaps this will be a great learning experience for the Packers and they will move on a better team for it. Thats is the only positive spin I can possibly see.

[woodbuck27]

My blame is on Jones. He doesn't fumble those balls and this is a blowout.

4-1 on TO hurt a lot.

penaltys as well.

Off sides.

Game plan change at half time (questionable) but at least we gained better in the first half on the ground.


Hey. We are 4-1.

GO PACKERS !

[vince]

This was a team effort. Penalties and turnovers killed the team tonight.

[b bulldog]

MM and Jones stunk it up. One in each half.

[The Shadow]

A team loss.
There is plenty of blame to go around.

[b bulldog]

I agree Vince

[GrnBay007]

How a team handles adversity tells a lot about it.
Now we will see.

Yes. Key word....TEAM!! to include coaches.

[The Shadow]

How a team handles adversity tells a lot about it.
Now we will see.

Yes. Key word....TEAM!! to include coaches.

Very much so.
No one is above criticism for this loss.

[woodbuck27]

i rarely blame play calling.

this is one game where it is all on the coaches.

Urlacher's interception?

Please don't tell me you are looking for a way to pin the loss on Brett?

Bingo!

Oh no, that can never play any part in a loss!

Yes......ONE bad play by ONE man always makes or breaks a game. Give me a break. Looks like MM was completely out coached by Lovie in the 2nd half.

Does this mean we will see a Retire Brett thread tomorrow? :roll:

MM is young and yes tonight. . . up and down.

Lovie has to be some happy for that gift in the second half.

[GrnBay007]

Well, at least we got to see a great 1st drive tonight.

Tough loss.

[PackerTimer]

the longest winning streak in college football was broken yesterday by a team from illinois. tonight it was the NFL's version that took a hit. what a crappy football weekend.

[b bulldog]

The coaches did drop the ball in the second half but penalties and turnovers killed us. It is embarrassing how afraid they were of Hester.

[PackerTimer]

the longest winning streak in college football was broken yesterday by a team from illinois. tonight it was the NFL's version that took a hit. what a crappy football weekend.

and to top it all off, i'm going to lose in FF to a bears fan. i think i need a drink.

[b bulldog]

Packertimer, both of the teams you mentioned are no where near the best in their leagues. Mark Tauscher really played poorly tonight.

[The Leaper]

Disagree, the fumbles totally changed the entire game. Teams that win the turnover battle usually win the game, very simple.

How did the fumbles change anything bulldog? We were up 10 points at halftime AFTER 3 fumbles. Again...AHEAD ten points.

It wasn't the fumbles. It was McCarthy being a pussie and having Crosby do silly shit kickoffs, giving the Bears excellent field position on every possession. It was McCarthy being a pussie and refusing to continue the successful gameplan that forged a 10 point lead despite 3 turnovers, running the ball over and over as if we were actually successful at it.

This loss is entirely on McCarthy. The first half turnovers prevented a win that could have been salted away early...but McCarthy's second half asshat act lost the game.

[The Shadow]

Still : if you knew we would be 4-1 after 5 games, would you have gladly taken it?

[RashanGary]

Disagree, the fumbles totally changed the entire game. Teams that win the turnover battle usually win the game, very simple.

I agree. The turnovers and penalties were the difference.

MM does deserve some blame on the playcalling though. He was trying to outsmart the Bears in the 2nd half. He kept dropping back and faking the draw, which seemes to really throw Bretts rythym out of wack. They were also ultra conservative even after they were stopped the first 2 or 3 times.

Jones, Penalties, Playcalling. In that order for me.

EDIT: just saw Vince and bulldog come to the same conclusion :)

[b bulldog]

Agree Nick

[PackerTimer]

Packertimer, both of the teams you mentioned are no where near the best in their leagues. Mark Tauscher really played poorly tonight.

it still sucks.

[Carolina_Packer]

Another way to look at it is, we had a good run to start the season. Sometimes more lucky than good in the Eagles game and the Chargers game, given the closeness of each of those games. Last week we fumbled late and that could have, but did not cost us. This game was about taking care of our own business, and we did not, and the Bears capitalized and did not choke. When you need your opponent to choke in order to win, then you are talking about another Eagles type game again. This time, we were on the other side of that kind of luck.

Someone mentioned the character of the team and how we come back. If this is not a rallying game, I don't know what is. They will be pissed when they see game film, guaranteed. The Redskins are not a cakewalk, and perhaps now we can get undefeated out of our heads and actually take care of business for two halves next week.

[b bulldog]

The skins strength is their awesome secondary. That matchup will be very interesting.

[The Leaper]

I agree that this loss makes a win next week against the Redskins more likely, although the Skins looked solid against the Lions this week.

[Rastak]

And with the loss Fosco joins me in getting booted in the survival pool.....

[RashanGary]

I'm not too worried about it. It was a hard fought game against a team who's backs were against the wall. You hate to see the sloppy mistakes like fumbles and penalties, but hopefully it brings them back to the fundementals and they come back next week better prepared to excecute mistake free football.

Someone said earlier that they were not a 16-0 football team. That is exactly the truth. We'll probably lose 4 or 5 more and it will suck every time. The bright side is it was correctable slop and that nobody really got hurt.

[RashanGary]

I'm still a little pissed about the fake draw shit. The Packers have done outstanding in pass protection. It's one thing if you have to do that tricky shit just to prevent Brett from getting killed, but all season the Packers Oline has held up well in the pass game. Those were the plays that sort of erked me the most. I can see what he was trying to do, so I'm not that hard on him, but he better not do that very often. It's just not something that Brett seems comfortable doing. Brett is better when he's focusing down field.

[b bulldog]

Yougsters will make mistakes but these were tough to watch. One thing I will say, our D is just above average.

[RashanGary]

One thing I will say, our D is just above average.

You might be right. They've played pretty average against some pretty average offenses. They certainly havn't been playing top 5 or even top 10 football. Just above average seems accurate.

[RashanGary]

Good point on the young players too. You have to go through growing pains with guys like Jones and Wynn. They'll only get better, but when you count on youth, you lose a few that you shouldn't.

[b bulldog]

For this D to be a top 5 unit, Collins,Jenkins and Hawk really need to step it up.

[b bulldog]

If they next week, all will be well but if we go into the bye at 4-2 :evil:

[GrnBay007]

The Packers came out with a bang but shortly after it seemed like they were playing scared. Maybe it was all the "Hester factor", I don't know. But it sure didn't seem like the Packers played THEIR game tonight. Like others said, they looked like they were playing not to lose. And it also seemed like things changed a lot after the Favre pick. Was MM too hasty in pulling in the reins in on Favre? .....as people call it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The Packers came out with a bang but shortly after it seemed like they were playing scared. Maybe it was all the "Hester factor", I don't know. But it sure didn't seem like the Packers played THEIR game tonight. Like others said, they looked like they were playing not to lose. And it also seemed like things changed a lot after the Favre pick. Was MM too hasty in pulling in the reins in on Favre? .....as people call it.

I was just thinking the same thing. The tone of the game changed after Favre's ridiculous pick deep in his own territory. One reason I think it changed is because the young guys on the team saw Favre panic and make a bonehead play. They haven't seen that this year. If Favre keeps his head, things turn out differently. The vets have to be leaders on this team. This is one game when they weren't, especially on offense where our veteran lineman screwed up too.

[Brohm]

I definately thought it was a "punishment" of sorts. Next series was 3 rushing plays and a punt. Things is though, if you're going to take it out of his hands, you need to have a viable option (running game) to fill in the blanks. Hell we did not get another first down until the final series.

[b bulldog]

That throw was terrible but so was all the rest of the crap we did wrong tonight.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I definately thought it was a "punishment" of sorts. Next series was 3 rushing plays and a punt. Things is though, if you're going to take it out of his hands, you need to have a viable option (running game) to fill in the blanks. Hell we did not get another first down until the final series.

Maybe MM was teaching a lesson for the rest of the season at the expense of this game. I don't really think that, but it might turn out that way.

[MadtownPacker]

Well it was a hell of run. We laughed for 8 games and today we cry but I can live with 4-1 because the season is not over.

I will confess, I came knowing what would happen when I got on the plane. I thought "this winning streak started when I went to see them in San Fran, I think I am going to GB to end it."

Funny how shit comes true.

[GrnBay007]

I definately thought it was a "punishment" of sorts. Next series was 3 rushing plays and a punt. Things is though, if you're going to take it out of his hands, you need to have a viable option (running game) to fill in the blanks. Hell we did not get another first down until the final series.

Well, IMO, it seems idiotic to pull the game from someone like Favre after one bonehead pass. And yes, what back up plan did he have......if he was actually trying to make a point.

Favre looked pissed tonight. Like when he was pissed MM called TO. Was that right before the half? When was the pick? I don't even remember

[woodbuck27]

Well it was a hell of run. We laughed for 8 games and today we cry but I can live with 4-1 because the season is not over.

I will confess, I came knowing what would happen when I got on the plane. I thought "this winning streak started when I went to see them in San Fran, I think I am going to GB to end it."

Funny how shit comes true.

Hope you had a great weekend Mad and the same to all Packerrats that were in Green Bay to see the Packers host the Bears.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I definately thought it was a "punishment" of sorts. Next series was 3 rushing plays and a punt. Things is though, if you're going to take it out of his hands, you need to have a viable option (running game) to fill in the blanks. Hell we did not get another first down until the final series.

Well, IMO, it seems idiotic to pull the game from someone like Favre after one bonehead pass. And yes, what back up plan did he have......if he was actually trying to make a point.

Favre looked pissed tonight. Like when he was pissed MM called TO. Was that right before the half? When was the pick? I don't even remember

Things in Green Bay may not be as they seem.

Brett seems easily agitated esp tonight and then he just knew that the tide had turned.

Most of us knew that game was lost, tied 20-20.

Brett Favre certainly did.

Why take the ball out of his hands on so many handoffs when he is passing lights out.

[Pacopete4]

our biggest weekness's are that we still dont have a real good nickleback, Poppinga is still very, very average and i dont think our scheme helps our safties out at all.. we dont seem to put them into positions to make them successful like we did in recent years cuz i really do believe collins and bigby have some major talent thats not being fully used

[Harlan Huckleby]

our biggest weekness's are that we still dont have a real good nickleback, Poppinga is still very, very average and i dont think our scheme helps our safties out at all.. we dont seem to put them into positions to make them successful like we did in recent years cuz i really do believe collins and bigby have some major talent thats not being fully used

man, I can't pin this loss on the defense, they did fine. The offense kept turning the ball over and three-and-outing.

[Noodle]

The coaches did drop the ball in the second half but penalties and turnovers killed us. It is embarrassing how afraid they were of Hester.

I kept reading all week interviews with MM and he's saying the Pack wasn't going to kick away from Hester. Jeez, that was embarrasing! Man the frick up! Kick the ball and go smack his little ass in to the Lambeau Turf. I'd rather the little SOB run one back than play sissy-style.

[mmmdk]

I'm not too worried about it. It was a hard fought game against a team who's backs were against the wall. You hate to see the sloppy mistakes like fumbles and penalties, but hopefully it brings them back to the fundementals and they come back next week better prepared to excecute mistake free football.

Someone said earlier that they were not a 16-0 football team. That is exactly the truth. We'll probably lose 4 or 5 more and it will suck every time. The bright side is it was correctable slop and that nobody really got hurt.

I'll try not to worry too. A win vs Redskins is the only cure. Redskins D is as turnover opportunistic as the Bears D. Packers killed themselves every thinkable way possible and Bears are really the smart ones here. Football is about outsmarting your opponant and Bears surely did that.

Now comes another smart team, the Redskins, will Packers raise their play or go into dumb mode?

Favre is 3-0 versus Redskins, wow, Packers have only played the Skins 3 times the last 16 seasons! :shock: And it's a NFC team!

[retailguy]

One thing I will say, our D is just above average.

You might be right. They've played pretty average against some pretty average offenses. They certainly havn't been playing top 5 or even top 10 football. Just above average seems accurate.

If this turns out to be true, I guess your prognosticating skills will turn out to be "overrated" as well, Mr. Top5.

[vince]

One thing I will say, our D is just above average.

You might be right. They've played pretty average against some pretty average offenses. They certainly havn't been playing top 5 or even top 10 football. Just above average seems accurate.

If this turns out to be true, I guess your prognosticating skills will turn out to be "overrated" as well, Mr. Top5.
Pot calling the kettle black...Mr. 1-5 at the Bye... 2-4 you'd be "surprised", and 3-3 you'd be "doing cartwheels"...

Notwithstanding the obvious hypocrisy, disrespecting other posters isn't very "civilized," is it RG? I guess it just depends which shoe fits your foot...

[Partial]

One thing I will say, our D is just above average.

You might be right. They've played pretty average against some pretty average offenses. They certainly havn't been playing top 5 or even top 10 football. Just above average seems accurate.

Why?

They held Benson to about 2 yds/carry. He also had 2 big runs in there, so on average he was rushing for far less per attempt. Their run defense was nothing short of excellent.

They didn't get a ton of pressure but Chicago has a good offensive line.

They were sucking wind in the 4th when Chicago was driving on them and converted on the big 3rd and 1 for the TD. The offense did not stay on the field at all during the second half. I believe before the last drive SF mentioned they had 1 first down total.

How can you blame the defense in that situation?!?!?!? They played pretty darn good. They also had to back their corners off quite a bit since they keep getting flagged for illegal contact.

That Barnett facemask was stupid. That was just another example of a bad decision.

[Bretsky]

One thing I will say, our D is just above average.

You might be right. They've played pretty average against some pretty average offenses. They certainly havn't been playing top 5 or even top 10 football. Just above average seems accurate.

Why?

They held Benson to about 2 yds/carry. He also had 2 big runs in there, so on average he was rushing for far less per attempt. Their run defense was nothing short of excellent.

They didn't get a ton of pressure but Chicago has a good offensive line.

They were sucking wind in the 4th when Chicago was driving on them and converted on the big 3rd and 1 for the TD. The offense did not stay on the field at all during the second half. I believe before the last drive SF mentioned they had 1 first down total.

How can you blame the defense in that situation?!?!?!? They played pretty darn good. They also had to back their corners off quite a bit since they keep getting flagged for illegal contact.

That Barnett facemask was stupid. That was just another example of a bad decision.

I have not had the energy to read this thread but it appears I'd agree with JH here.

Dominating defenses create turnovers. Our defense played fine. Were in the top 10 area. But playmakers; that is what was missing on defense Sunday. They did well against the Chicago offense, but I thought they would dominate them.

[Bretsky]

We want Wynn! We want Wynn! We want Wynn!


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[Bretsky]

That's a killer. It was about to be 14-0 and game over. Ya gotta hold onto the fucking ball!


As part of my rehab I'm going through all dam 48 pages

[Rastak]

We want Wynn! We want Wynn! We want Wynn!


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HEY! Bretsky illegally removed his sig! MAD!!!! Hey MADDDD..........

[Scott Campbell]

We want Wynn! We want Wynn! We want Wynn!


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HEY! Bretsky illegally removed his sig! MAD!!!! Hey MADDDD..........


Holy crap. Now all he needs is a Barney avatar.

:lol:

[Bretsky]

Now it's all falling apart.

So are you playing the role of Chicken Little tonight?

C'mon, you've seen the same shit I have. A team dominates but let's the other team back in it. At the very least it should have been 14-0. Now it's gonna be a struggle the rest of the night.


GOOD FORESHADOWING

[Bretsky]

packers passed on Greg Olson to draft Justin Harrell

16 was way too high to draft Olsen.

he looks like a better prospect than JH

Why?

Just because he is playing?

What has he done so far to validate himself as a first round talent?

he's been injured. but i think he looks like a heck of a players, big and fast and athletic. Certainly an upgrade over the current packer tight ends.

Who is Justin Harrell an upgrade over?


I agree that Olsen has looked like a very good and talented receiving TE

[Bretsky]

Questionable challenge, hmm... We'll probably need that Time Out.


YUP

[Partial]

Maybe it is just me, but I don't really think Olson did a whole lot. As Harv pointed out, he illegally pushed off on his catches. I wasn't super impressed. He came off as average and didn't seem involved on anything other than those passes.