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KYPack
05-08-2006, 09:25 AM
Ran across these camp notes. About the same as most of the stuff we've read, but part of this I love.....

Offensive line: McCarthy's commitment to a zone running game was evident. All the Packers drilled were four base zone plays. No guard pulled all weekend.

"Here's the deal," Jagodzinski said. "If there's a guy on him, he's blocking him. If no one's on him, he's going to the linebacker. It's not that hard. It's hard to screw that up."

The inside starters were left guard Daryn Colledge, center Scott Wells and right guard Junius Coston. Can the Packers win with them?

"Yeah, I think we can, because of what we're going to do and how we're going to do it," Jagodzinski said. "They're young but that's OK. They'll only get better."

Colledge, a second-round pick, lacks some weight and upper-body strength but his speed and balance fit the offense to a T. The 316-pound Coston played center at North Carolina A&T and left guard all spring before moving to right guard after the selection of Colledge.

"Well, somebody's got to do it sometime," Thompson replied when asked if Coston could jump from playing three snaps as a rookie to starting. "I think everybody is pleased with what 'Juice' did this weekend and throughout the spring."

Jason Spitz, a third-round pick, backed up Colledge and Tony Moll, a fifth-round pick, played extensively at left tackle.

"The whole staff talked today," Jagodzinski said. "With all the draft choices, what we saw on film is what we got. I told Moll to give himself to (strength coach) Rock Gullickson and he will reshape you. He was a tight end and he gained 50 pounds in a year. That's not all good weight. But he is very athletic."

Seemingly miscast in the new system, massive Will Whitticker got a chance to start as the emergency left tackle when Chad Clifton (knee) sat out and Adrian Klemm suffered a knee injury Friday afternoon in the opening 45 minutes.

Another wide body, Kevin Barry, spent all camp running No. 2 behind Coston at right guard after spending his first four years at right tackle. Barry is about 25 pounds overweight.

"I told him the 'U-71' package is done," Jagodzinski said. "He can't catch. It was a novelty and it was great. Now if he's happy being a four- or five-play a game guy, I told him we've got the wrong guy. I don't know if it's so much the weight. I want those guys to be able to move."

At 290, backup center Chris White was considered borderline too small by the previous staff but is a better fit for this system.

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I was so sick of the U71, it wasn't funny. That was a scheme that had seen it's day, but Shermy just wouldn't go forward. He stayed with it, ran it into the ground, even tho it wasn't fooling anybody (but us)
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I liked it back in the early days, but after the Bears blew it up and it cost us the game, that formation should've went to the "old plays home".

Not only didn't it work anymore, but Shermy and Beightol wouldn't let Barry play guard, so they could keep him in the U71. In the end, they didn't run at the stacked side of the formation or throw to Barry, they'd throw to the backside of the formation.

Looks like the starters on the Oline shake out like this:

left tackle Chad Clifton
left guard Daryn Colledge,
center Scott Wells
right guard Junius Coston
right tackle Mark Tauscher

HarveyWallbangers
05-08-2006, 09:51 AM
Unlike Washington, I wouldn't count out Barry just yet. I imagine this was a big wakeup call for him. At least, I hope so. I think he has the athleticism to do well in this scheme--unlike Whitticker.

KYPack
05-08-2006, 10:08 AM
Unlike Washington, I wouldn't count out Barry just yet. I imagine this was a big wakeup call for him. At least, I hope so. I think he has the athleticism to do well in this scheme--unlike Whitticker.

No man, I haven't given up on Barry OR Whitticker, for that matter.

It was stupid of Kevin to come to camp heavy, I think he could've nailed himself a spot by being in shape from the jump. Barry will eventually get in shape and be the back-up RG and emergency tackle.

I haven't given up on big Will W., either. He wasn't even close to being ready to start at guard last year, & what in the hell Shermy & Beck were doing playing him there, I'll never know. But he's a huge guy with great feet. You keep a guy like that around if you can.

Now Washington? I'd like to cut him personally. He represents all that was bad about Sherm and his ability to judge talent. in fact, I'd love to cut Washington AND Sander in a package cut.

Maybe push 'em off a bridge, or something evil. Two 3rd round trade-ups, GOD what a waste.

FritzDontBlitz
05-08-2006, 10:11 AM
i'm getting tired of jags whining about the u-71 package myself. its starting to sound like he has a personal vendetta against barry, sherman or both. just get to work and enough about the u-71....

also, i'm seriously wondering why they haven't just slid tauscher to guard and put barry in as right tackle since they both have experience playing those roles. tauscher is the ideal weight and has demonstrated the versatility.

Patler
05-08-2006, 10:23 AM
i'm getting tired of jags whining about the u-71 package myself. its starting to sound like he has a personal vendetta against barry, sherman or both. just get to work and enough about the u-71....

Maybe that's why Sherman fired him a few years ago, Jagodzinski didn't embrace the U-71!

His comments have been inaccurate too. The Packers used it a lot more then the 4 or 5 plays he referred to once (it was more like 10-15 each game) and it accounted for a disproportionate share of long plays and touchdowns in both passing and receiving for a few seasons..

However, like all unconventional formations it can get overused and teams learn to play against it. Initially it was a run only formation. When GB started to pass more from it, the effectiveness was revitalized. But last year that too seemed to be getting stale, so it is time to move on.

Over the years it racked up a lot of yards for Sherman's Packers. It was an effective formation for a while. No need to diss it.

HarveyWallbangers
05-08-2006, 10:29 AM
Patler,

Your comments are true of the U-71 in 2004. I don't think those numbers reflect how often they used or how effective it was in 2005.

Patler
05-08-2006, 10:36 AM
Patler,

Your comments are true of the U-71 in 2004. I don't think those numbers reflect how often they used or how effective it was in 2005.

Well, I, Shamrockfan, did say it was getting stale in 2005, didn't I?... and that it was time to move on.

MadtownPacker
05-08-2006, 10:40 AM
Running with the U71 in 2003 was unstoppable!! In 2004 it provided many of walkers big pass plays. Wouldnt mind seeing something similar used in a couple of games this season.

Patler
05-08-2006, 11:30 AM
Before we forget how really effective it was at one time, this was from a JS article after the first 9 games in 2004:

"By unofficial count, Barry has been on the field as an extra tight end 116 times in nine games. The Packers have run the ball 94 times for 491 yards and five touchdowns in those instances, averaging 5.22 yards per carry. With Barry in the lineup, the Packers have had 11 runs of 10 yards or more, including gains of 90, 35 and 32 yards.

"They also have had considerable success passing the ball with Barry in the game, completing 11 of 22 passes for 209 yards. They have connected on touchdowns of 79 and 9 yards to Walker and 20, 12 and 3 yards to Donald Driver, Franks and Green, respectively. Even though Barry has played only about 19% of the offensive snaps this season, the Packers have scored more than one-third of their touchdowns with him in the game."

KYPack
05-08-2006, 11:35 AM
[quote=FritzDontBlitz]
Maybe that's why Sherman fired him a few years ago, Jagodzinski didn't embrace the U-71!

His comments have been inaccurate too. The Packers used it a lot more then the 4 or 5 plays he referred to once (it was more like 10-15 each game) and it accounted for a disproportionate share of long plays and touchdowns in both passing and receiving for a few seasons..


Over the years it racked up a lot of yards for Sherman's Packers. It was an effective formation for a while. No need to diss it.

I think you just broke the code. Jagodzinski hated the beloved U71.

Jagodzinski was the tight end coach.

The U71 substitutes a tackle for a TE.

Jagodzinski was sticking up for his guys, but got under Sherman's skin.

So Shermy bagged Jagodzinski, who now returns the conquering hero.

One of his first moves?

Dissing the U71 and moving Barry to guard.

Plus does anyone get the impression that Jagodzinski is the defacto OLine coach?

I've never seen an OCo-ordinator who's as bogged down into details of OLine play.

I hope all this works out well for the Pack

FritzDontBlitz
05-08-2006, 12:22 PM
well, from the sounds of it jags' next order of business is trying to run barry out of town by making him switch to guard instead of moving tauscher and letting barry work at tackle. tauscher is already the ideal size and weight and he has the agility to flourish at guard in the new zone blocking scheme. based on jags' moves and ssnotty comments, he acts like he doesn't really want barry around....

as far as the u-71 goes, i hope it remains in some form. it creates huge mismatches in favor of the offense when used correctly - and it really broke open a few games with big runs or play action passes that went for huge gains. it would be idiotic to scrap it completely...

Fritz
05-08-2006, 12:34 PM
"I've never seen an OCo-ordinator who's as bogged down into details of OLine play."

Basically didn't he just say that if a guy comes at you you block him, if not you go after a linebacker? That doesn't seem like much bogging down.

HarveyWallbangers
05-08-2006, 01:04 PM
well, from the sounds of it jags' next order of business is trying to run barry out of town by making him switch to guard instead of moving tauscher and letting barry work at tackle. tauscher is already the ideal size and weight and he has the agility to flourish at guard in the new zone blocking scheme. based on jags' moves and ssnotty comments, he acts like he doesn't really want barry around....

as far as the u-71 goes, i hope it remains in some form. it creates huge mismatches in favor of the offense when used correctly - and it really broke open a few games with big runs or play action passes that went for huge gains. it would be idiotic to scrap it completely...

Actually, Tauscher is bigger than most OGs in the zone blocking scheme, and I don't think it's a given that he has the movement skills required of it. If it's a choice between keeping Tausch at RT and having somebody like Coston at RG or moving Tausch to RG and starting Barry at RT, I choose keeping Tausch where he's at. OTs are just too important. I'd rather have a really good RT than a really good RG (if indeed he even fits this scheme at OG).

RashanGary
05-08-2006, 03:21 PM
I think Jags focuses on teh O-line because that is what he knows. I liek that they all focus on what they are good at.

McCarthy spends time with the QB and the passing game. Jags focuses on the run game and the O-line/TE's. Bennet focuses on the running backs ect.....

Why would you want Jags telling Brett what to do when he's never coached to position? I just think McCarthy wnats specialists to be special in teh area they know. Sherman tried to do everything and all he really knew was the O-line. I'd rather have a guy liek McCarthy who lets everyone do what they are good at and keep their noses out of what they don't know.

KYPack
05-08-2006, 07:48 PM
"I've never seen an OCo-ordinator who's as bogged down into details of OLine play."

Basically didn't he just say that if a guy comes at you you block him, if not you go after a linebacker? That doesn't seem like much bogging down.

Yeah, it's OK & all Fritz. I mean that Jags doesn't seem to be an OCo-ordinator, it seems like HE is the line coach.

Fer instance, who is the actual line coach?

He never seems to say shit.

None of this matters if the O rolls, but I worry about Micromanaging coaches, ya know?

Joemailman
05-08-2006, 09:34 PM
Jags is the one doing most of the talking. That doesn't necessarily mean he is the one doing most of the coaching. However, given the fact that the Packers are installing a brand new blocking scheme, which he is familiar with, it may be necessary for him to take a more hands on approach with the OL now than he will once everyone is more familiar with it.