Official Gameday Thread: Skins vs. Packers

[cpk1994]

Portis doing his team no favors right now

[Deputy Nutz]

Portis almost looks as bad as our backs

[Bretsky]

D can still win this game

[gbgary]

brett's putting too much air under the ball today.

nice D on that series

[BallHawk]

KAMPY!!!

Hell yeah.

[Tony Oday]

NICE KAMP!

[cpk1994]

YOu can only hold Kampman for so long

[Brando19]

sack by kampman....4th and long

[GBRulz]

they just showed AP's last run. While the guy is no doubt awesome, that was pathetic D by the Bears


Same D you guys ran against last week!

I was referring to that last play. One of the Bears players could have easily knocked him out of bounds. I'm not taking anything away from AP so relax.

[ND72]

wow, good job D...really came threw that time boys! Awesome set for them. Right now teh Redskins don't have a lineman that can block Kampy.

[Deputy Nutz]

Jason Campbell is a big strong QB

[Rastak]

Bears score, Vikes look like Gophers...... :cry:

[RashanGary]

You guys like the non call on the head start? Rediculous.

[Tony Oday]

CUT BUSH!

[crosbiegrad]

Arent you glad we have the mighty kampmy?!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

Nice play by Woodson,

[BallHawk]

Well, MM said he emphasized ball protection.

Let's see it.

[cpk1994]

he's putting too much air under the ball today
I really do think the slickness of the ball is affecting him

[b bulldog]

Will Blackmo :cry: n

[GBRulz]

Favres arm does not look right.

it's called slippery ball. and throwing long passes are stupid.

Why a pass was called to begin with was stupid. Keep running that clock down

[Tony Oday]

Favre's got a hitch in his get a' long

[Bretsky]

Bears just scored; that one is not over yet

Tempting to just leave this one up to the D

[Rastak]

Strange, Bears onside kick with timeouts left and 2:36 on the clock.....strange call......

[RashanGary]

Why a pass was called to begin with was stupid. Keep running that clock down

Any thing to deflect blame, huh?

[b bulldog]

Which guy would you call. I saw about two or three guys go early

[Brando19]

if the pack wins today....it's b/c of the D...and nothing else.

[gbgary]

thanks joe. you helped us out with that 30 seconds you just threw away

[BallHawk]

Favres arm does not look right.

it's called slippery ball. and throwing long passes are stupid.

Why a pass was called to begin with was stupid. Keep running that clock down

I don't disagree with a pass, I disagree with throwing it long, especially considering the weather conditions.

Whether that was the objective of the play all along, I don't know. Maybe it was supposed to be a short pass and Favre saw Jennings and reacted.

[Deputy Nutz]

Favres arm does not look right.

it's called slippery ball. and throwing long passes are stupid.

Why a pass was called to begin with was stupid. Keep running that clock down

The skins only had one timeout left.

Favre's timing sucks today. Yes that is right I am all over Favre today like a fat kid on a porno mag.

[GBRulz]

Why a pass was called to begin with was stupid. Keep running that clock down

Any thing to deflect blame, huh?

HAHAHA. I would never take that title away from you, JH.

[mmmdk]

brett's putting too much air under the ball today.

nice D on that series

lacking zip on that last int. - the window was there and a big gain missed.

[VegasPackFan]

FINISH THEM!!!!!!!!

[cpk1994]

Favres arm does not look right.

it's called slippery ball. and throwing long passes are stupid.

Why a pass was called to begin with was stupid. Keep running that clock downI don't havbe a porblem with a pass being called, but the problem it was a deep pass which wasn't needed.

[RashanGary]

The problem was a combination of the decision and the throw.

[GBRulz]

ok guys RUN the clock out

[b bulldog]

The pass was open as was almost all of our long balls today. Brett just can't seem to throw the ball more than 40 yards to day???

[BallHawk]

Jesus Christ, an elephant can make a cut faster than Wynn.

[Brando19]

Do we throw...do we run....prediction?

[Brewhaha]

I don't want them to get the ball back, it seems to easy to drive and get a FG at the end of the game.

[b bulldog]

Ba call but it was open

[Deputy Nutz]

Wynn decided to stay in bounds, although he runs really weird, like he doesn't know when to accelerate or get up field in a hurry.

[BallHawk]

Do we throw...do we run....prediction?

I don't feel good about it either way.

[cpk1994]

Aikman really doesn't know what he is talkingg about right now.

[Bretsky]

Do you go for the throat or leave it on the D

I know what Bellichek would do

[Tony Oday]

lets go defense!!!!!!

[BallHawk]

Aikman really doesn't know what he is talkingg about right now.

Did he ever?

[ND72]

if our OL would at least block the other teams DL, we could at least get 2 yards. :x

[GBRulz]

ok we need a good punt from Ryan now.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am beginning not to like Deshawn Wynn.

[b bulldog]

Collins better keep everything in front of him

[gbgary]

throwing long passes are stupid.


those long passes were there, the man was open. it wasn't stupid except for the result.

[Tony Oday]

Collins better keep everything in front of him

no shyt

[BallHawk]

I'm extremely nervous.

This is a game that has Murphy's Law written all over it.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nice kick Ryan, thats bullshit stick it in the twenty!!!

Gave them 10 extra seconds.

[gbgary]

COME ON PACKER D!!

[ND72]

Do all you guys realize the winner of this game is considered the "2nd best" in the NFC?

[Tony Oday]

WOW Campbell is a tough son of a...

[BallHawk]

KAMPMAN!!!!

[Tony Oday]

GO DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GBRulz]

woo hoo, go Kampy !!

[gbgary]

aaron

[RashanGary]

Add injury to insult :)

[Tony Oday]

Wow they are beat up

[b bulldog]

Kampy is so awseome

[ND72]

Right now our DL is just taking over. They can't block Kampy, KGB is too fast for them...this is fun if you're a fan of the Packers DL right now.


and OH, #74....not fun seeing a big boy do the splits.

[BallHawk]

Do all you guys realize the winner of this game is considered the "2nd best" in the NFC?

And right they should be.

The Packers should have 14 more points on the board.

[RashanGary]

throwing long passes are stupid.


those long passes were there, the man was open. it wasn't stupid except for the result.

I never said that. Bad misquote.

[Rastak]

Hester, 85 yard TD catch......

[gbgary]

COME ON PACKER D!!

[GBRulz]

i want one of those hats!

[Brando19]

TD CHICAGO

[gbgary]

damn it minn

[Tony Oday]

Holy Shyt!!!!!!!!!! Bears and Queens tied???

[GBRulz]

woah, weren't the Queens just up by 2 TDs?

[Bretsky]

WTF VIKINGS ????????

[Rastak]

damn it minn


Perfect throw........ :cry:

[Rastak]

WTF VIKINGS ????????


Sorrt B....... :cry:

[Tony Oday]

Cmon Vikes beat the bears!

[GBRulz]

I want the Bears to win...the Queens are more of a threat to us than the Bears IMO

[Tony Oday]

BUSH MADE A PLAY!!!!!???? Write that down

[BallHawk]

One more play. Don't give up the deep ball to another NFC East team.

[Deputy Nutz]

Way to go BUSH!!!

[gbgary]

COME ON PACKER D!!

[Brando19]

damn it minn


Perfect throw........ :cry:

you're right...that is the same Bears we played last week

[Rastak]

Adrian Peterson with a 49 yard kick return!!!!!!!!!!!

[GBRulz]

WHEW!

[cpk1994]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM E
OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Bretsky]

GAME OVER

[Tony Oday]

YES! Put on the board YES

[Rastak]

damn it minn


Perfect throw........ :cry:

you're right...that is the same Bears we played last week

They had perfect throws last week to hester?

[]{ilr]3]

Adrian Peterson with a 49 yard kick return!!!!!!!!!!!

Alomst lost his pants on that play :lol:

[gbgary]

and that will do it. good night everyone. be sure to tip your waitress!

[Deputy Nutz]

GREAT SECOND HALF DEFENSE!!!!

[BallHawk]

That's game.

To quote Barry Manilow, we made it through the rain

[Bretsky]

Longwell is going to beat the Bears again :lol:

[GBRulz]

Perfect outcome.... the Packers lose and my FF opponent doesn't get any TD's from Favre :lol: Sorry 007..lol

[cpk1994]

M3 should be thanking each memeber of the defense for bailing his sorry butt out!

[Deputy Nutz]

I think that we might have out rushed the Redskins.

[Rastak]

Wow, nice win by the Pack.......I'm impressed.....

[GBRulz]

That's game.

To quote Barry Manilow, we made it through the rain

How many 15 year olds quote Barry Manilow?

[RashanGary]

M3 should be thanking each memeber of the defense for bailing his sorry butt out!

What did MM do again?

[BallHawk]

If I could choose one word to sum up I think the word would be resilient.

[Brando19]

Game over....sloppy terrible game....but a W none the less.

[b bulldog]

Kudos to the D and I didn't think we could win a game if Brett had a subpar game but we did and all is good. Go Pats!

[Deputy Nutz]

M3 should be thanking each memeber of the defense for bailing his sorry butt out!

Favre should be right behind him then.

[VegasPackFan]

Great half time adjustment on Cooley.

Defense makes big plays to keep us in , and then even bigger plays to put it away.

I'll take this win and we are 5-1, BABY!!!!!!!

Stop ripping this D, people, they can flat out play. only weak point seems to be LB's on the Te's, but they keep making plays...

[Rastak]

What a stupid fucking call......and I called it befor it was run.....Bears had 10 guys on the line and they run on 3rd and 5.......

[Brando19]

M3 should be thanking each memeber of the defense for bailing his sorry butt out!

Favre should be right behind him then.

i'll second that

[wpony]

they should still send this game in to the nfl for review thank god we won no thanks to the refs :evil: GO PACK GO

[b bulldog]

Peterson's only question mark imo is will he be able to stay healthy

[GBRulz]

I felt like we had to beat two opponents today. The Skins and the refs

[RashanGary]

7 tackles and a forced fumble for Hawk. Solid game.

[b bulldog]

Go Vikes

[Rastak]

55 yards to win.......

[gbgary]

good

[VegasPackFan]

Dallas needs to send a thank you card to the Pack for handing out L's to the entire division.

[BallHawk]

IT'S GOOD!

[Joemailman]

Congrats to the packer defense. They won this game hand down.

Completely OT: What is up with the Cleveland offense this year? They've got 41 points today.

[Rastak]

Vikes win on the road.....55 yard longwell FG......

[RashanGary]

Big game by Kamp and Bigby too. Barnett was clutch on that 4th down stop. Great win by the defense!!

[Bretsky]

Longwell is going to beat the Bears again :lol:



DID I CALL IT OR WHAT ? Longwell nails a 54 yarder

[cpk1994]

M3 should be thanking each memeber of the defense for bailing his sorry butt out!

What did MM do again?Im sorry but not calling a run play the ENTIRE SECOND QUARTER is not acceptable. I am pleased he ran it a little bit. He should realize that it is perfectly legal to run the ball.

[gbgary]

Dallas needs to send a thank you card to the Pack for handing out L's to the entire division.

you got that right

[Brando19]

Good win by the Vikes...Longwell got it done...Crosby should take a lesson on todays games...
I love Crosby...but he did NOT come through today at all.

[gbgary]

nice win minn

[cpk1994]

Also his time management at the end of the first half was absolutely atrocious> Mike Sherman could do a better job than that.

[GBRulz]

Dallas needs to send a thank you card to the Pack for handing out L's to the entire division.

yup and lets hope that our success against that division isn't over yet!!

[RashanGary]

DID I CALL IT OR WHAT ? Longwell nails a 54 yarder

The Vikes had the ball at the end of a tie game. Not exactly nostradamus level yet ;)

[cpk1994]

Good win by the Vikes...Longwell got it done...Crosby should take a lesson on todays games...
I love Crosby...but he did NOT come through today at all.Im willing to cut him some slack. He just got his first lesson in the swirling winds of Lambeau.

[gbgary]

Dallas needs to send a thank you card to the Pack for handing out L's to the entire division.

yup and lets hope that our success against that division isn't over yet!!

you got THAT right too

[b bulldog]

Kampy 8 tackles 1 FF 2 sacks
Hawk 8 tackles 1 FF
Bigby 8 tackles 1 FF
Barnett 12 tackles

Good job on D in the second half

[RashanGary]

Very fitting that Brett breaks the INT record with a win. It's not pretty, but he's won more games than any QB in NFL history doing it.

[Joemailman]

Longwell is going to beat the Bears again :lol:



DID I CALL IT OR WHAT ? Longwell nails a 54 yarder

Let's go celebrate at Applebee's! :glug:

[GBRulz]

Yes, an ugly win but I'll take it.

[Rastak]

Longwell is going to beat the Bears again :lol:



DID I CALL IT OR WHAT ? Longwell nails a 54 yarder

Let's go celebrate at Applebee's! :glug:


I'll be there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[GBRulz]

Longwell is going to beat the Bears again :lol:



DID I CALL IT OR WHAT ? Longwell nails a 54 yarder

Let's go celebrate at Applebee's! :glug:

LOL !! :glug:

[RashanGary]

Kampy 8 tackles 1 FF 2 sacks
Hawk 8 tackles 1 FF
Bigby 8 tackles 1 FF
Barnett 12 tackles

Good job on D in the second half

Yeah, this is what happens when Hawk is on the weakside playing down hill. Unfortunately, what happened to Poppinga also happens. Hawk is a playmaker, but he's covering up for a weak link by playing out of position against top TE's. He's good at everything and Poppinga isnt. When you whine about him having bad games, he's acctually doing his job.

[cpk1994]

Kampy 8 tackles 1 FF 2 sacks
Hawk 8 tackles 1 FF
Bigby 8 tackles 1 FF
Barnett 12 tackles

Good job on D in the second halfAmazing Kampy had 8 tackles while blatantly being held.

[Joemailman]

Cooley had just 1 catch 2nd half. Anybody pick up on what adjustments were made? Same thing happened week 3 against Antonio Gates.

[b bulldog]

Brady to Moss TD

[BEARMAN]

Congrats Rats, the pack played just good enuff to win. Da BEARS made a hell ofa try, but a 55 yard fg with 4 seconds left beat us. That A. Peterson , RB, is a good one ! Live it up, your team is doing it.

[GBRulz]

yay, my QB is already beating yours 007 :lol:

[b bulldog]

nICK AS mCcARREN STATED BEFORE THE GAME, HE IS SOLID BUT AS OF NOW, NOT ANYTHING MORE. I'm not going down this again but he needs to do more with where he was picked. Our S has more tackles than him.

[b bulldog]

The Vikes hit a homerun with that pick. Injury could derail him though

[Rastak]

Congrats Rats, the pack played just good enuff to win. Da BEARS made a hell ofa try, but a 55 yard fg with 4 seconds left beat us. That A. Peterson , RB, is a good one ! Live it up, your team is doing it.


BEARMAN, no love for Rastak? I love your town, almost made the drive this weekend. If the Vikings had a QB they'd be right there with the Packers and the Bears........

[b bulldog]

How can you defend a o like the Pats? Too many weapons

[Rastak]

The Vikes hit a homerun with that pick. Injury could derail him though



Like every pick in the NFL?

[b bulldog]

Ras, thank God they don't cause you would be above both teams.

[Deputy Nutz]

Poppinga just doesn't have the talent to be a starting caliber linebacker, but then I said the same thing about Hunter Hillenmeyer several years ago with a conference call to Mike Sherman....

Anyways all of our linebackers stepped up in the second half, you can't have a good front seven when only 4 or 5 guys are doing their job.

[b bulldog]

The only thing with Pete is he had injury issues in college but he seems like a great kid so I wish him the best on 14 Sundays a year.

[cpk1994]

Congrats Rats, the pack played just good enuff to win. Da BEARS made a hell ofa try, but a 55 yard fg with 4 seconds left beat us. That A. Peterson , RB, is a good one ! Live it up, your team is doing it.


BEARMAN, no love for Rastak? I love your town, almost made the drive this weekend. If the Vikings had a QB they'd be right there with the Packers and the Bears........Umm Ras, they just beat the Bears without a QB, so I would say the Vikes are right there with the Bear already.

[Rastak]

Congrats Rats, the pack played just good enuff to win. Da BEARS made a hell ofa try, but a 55 yard fg with 4 seconds left beat us. That A. Peterson , RB, is a good one ! Live it up, your team is doing it.


BEARMAN, no love for Rastak? I love your town, almost made the drive this weekend. If the Vikings had a QB they'd be right there with the Packers and the Bears........Umm Ras, they just beat the Bears without a QB, so I would say the Vikes are right there with the Bear already.


LOL, not a bad point!

[The Shadow]

All is forgiven, Ryan Longwell.

[b bulldog]

What was Miami thinking when they let Welker go?

[b bulldog]

How good are our DB's?? They are the two MVP's of our D

[Rastak]

What was Miami thinking when they let Welker go?


They weren't. They are really F'ing it up lately.....

[BallHawk]

What was Miami thinking when they let Welker go?

I don't think Miami thinks at all when they make FA and Draft moves.

[RashanGary]

What was Miami thinking when they let Welker go?

He's a tough, scrappy football player. Reminds me a little bit of Driver.

[4and12to12and4]

Everyone in the nation can watch the Pats game, and i am taping it. It's a big game because we want to have best record in the NFC, but please don't discuss it here, I'm watching it later. :oops:

I cannot believe we are 5-1. Unreal. The officials did everything they could to make sure we lost that game. What BS calls. They took two TD passes away from Brett. Great win against another very good team. Our defense was put in a horrible situation all game with all of our three and outs, and they came through bigtime over and over and over again (with a little help from the woeful passing attack of the Redskins). I can't believe we are three games up on the Bears after 6 weeks. It's gonna be a fun off week.

[4and12to12and4]

How good are our DB's?? They are the two MVP's of our D

Well, that is somewhat true, but I think that Kaampman is the unsung hero of this game. He was being mauled all game long and not getting any calls (which is ironic due to the BS holding call on JJ's touchdown) and he pressured Campbell ALL game long. That guys gotta be on 'roids. He's an unstoppable machine.

[b bulldog]

sORRY, I'll shut up and stick my foot in my mouth :lol:

[4and12to12and4]

I wasn't chatting during the game, does everyone here think that Bubba was not only forced out but also should have drawn an interference call?

[Joemailman]

A lot of people will say the Packers were lucky to win this game, but it should be remembered that the zebras took 2 TD's away from the Pack. Despite that, they found a way to win against the best team they've played this year. Not trying to gloss over the weaknesses, but this was a very good win.

[GBRulz]

I wasn't chatting during the game, does everyone here think that Bubba was not only forced out but also should have drawn an interference call?

oh hell yes. Last week it was a forceout, this week it's an incomplete pass. :roll:

[b bulldog]

i THINK IF WE CONNECT ON ANY OF THE WIDE OPEN LONG BALLS, the game would have been a tad different but the skins did drop a bunch.

[4and12to12and4]

I agree. Both those calls were complete BS, well one was a noncall. And, meanwhile, they were holding Aaron all game long, literally tackling him and yanking him to the ground. Sick. Great win, despite the refs.

[4and12to12and4]

The only disappointment was Favre underthrowing wide open receivers way downfield. He put way too much air under those throws. He has the arm to zip them more, but chose to air them out, I guess he didn't realize how fast Taylor is. He knows now.

[gbgary]

Everyone in the nation can watch the Pats game, and i am taping it. It's a big game because we want to have best record in the NFC, but please don't discuss it here, I'm watching it later.


OMG...nevermind

[4and12to12and4]

I am in absolute shock that the Queens beat the Bears. And Longwell is the guy who put the nail in their coffin. I was sure that ball was gonna drop in the endzone. Unreal. What a day! Does Detroit have a bye, or are they a night game?

[b bulldog]

Taylor is a special player.

[4and12to12and4]

Everyone in the nation can watch the Pats game, and i am taping it. It's a big game because we want to have best record in the NFC, but please don't discuss it here, I'm watching it later.


OMG...nevermind

Funny Stuff. 8-)

[cpk1994]

I am in absolute shock that the Queens beat the Bears. And Longwell is the guy who put the nail in their coffin. I was sure that ball was gonna drop in the endzone. Unreal. What a day! Does Detroit have a bye, or are they a night game?Detroit has a bye.

[Deputy Nutz]

Taylor is a special player.

Funny, Partial told me last week he was the most over-rated player in the league. Saw him play like two times or something.

[BallHawk]

I am in absolute shock that the Queens beat the Bears. And Longwell is the guy who put the nail in their coffin. I was sure that ball was gonna drop in the endzone. Unreal. What a day! Does Detroit have a bye, or are they a night game?

Bye.

[b bulldog]

I followed him since his Miami days. He is one hell of a player but can be undisciplined but still is worth all he is paid. Obviously, his hands are awful by the three dropped pics :wink:

[DannoMac21]

Taylor should have had 5 picks today.

[4and12to12and4]

Taylor is a special player.

Yeah, I admit, they showed both those plays from the camera right behind Favre, and I have to say that when he let those balls go, they looked ridiculously open. Taylor closed fast. Excellent plays.

[BallHawk]

Taylor is a special player.

Funny, Partial told me last week he was the most over-rated player in the league. Saw him play like two times or something.

Damn, Nutz, you've got the claws out today. :D

[4and12to12and4]

That force out on Bubba, is there anyway that can become reviewable? Or is it only reviewable if it is called a touchdown? If so, they should change that rule.

[AtlPackFan]

Congrats Rats, the pack played just good enuff to win. Da BEARS made a hell ofa try, but a 55 yard fg with 4 seconds left beat us. That A. Peterson , RB, is a good one ! Live it up, your team is doing it.

Hey Bearman....getting to the party late. Thanks for the cudos. You guys put up a hell of a fight but Peterson sure looks like - if he can stay healthy - he will be a force to reckon with for years to come. And who would have thunk that Longwell had the leg for that length field goal? Unreal.

Still a lot of season left and no one has anything locked up. Should be a good finish for the 10-11 games left on the schedule.

[BallHawk]

That force out on Bubba, is there anyway that can become reviewable? Or is it only reviewable if it is called a touchdown? If so, they should change that rule.

It's not reviewable because it is a "judgment call".

[4and12to12and4]

If any here are dying to talk about the Dallas game, I don't care, I know the Pats are gonna kick there asses anyways.

[cpk1994]

That force out on Bubba, is there anyway that can become reviewable? Or is it only reviewable if it is called a touchdown? If so, they should change that rule.Thats not reviewable even if its called a touchdown with a force out. Judgement calls are not reviewable.

[Rastak]

That force out on Bubba, is there anyway that can become reviewable? Or is it only reviewable if it is called a touchdown? If so, they should change that rule.


The whole rule is idiotic. No way you can review it and it shouldn't even be a rule. How in God's name can you tell what MIGHT have happened. It's even worse than the uncatchable ball rule.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree. The college rule is much better. You push a guy out, that's a good defensive play.

[gbgary]

If any here are dying to talk about the Dallas game, I don't care, I know the Pats are gonna kick there asses anyways.

NOPE...WERE NOT SAYIN' A DAMN THING!!

WHAT THE...nevermind.

[BallHawk]

That force out on Bubba, is there anyway that can become reviewable? Or is it only reviewable if it is called a touchdown? If so, they should change that rule.


The whole rule is idiotic. No way you can review it and it shouldn't even be a rule. How in God's name can you tell what MIGHT have happened. It's even worse than the uncatchable ball rule.

I think the rule is idiotic, in some circumstances, but when a player is going to come down in bounds and the defender makes a play on the receiver and not the ball, then it should be called.

[Rastak]

I agree. The college rule is much better. You push a guy out, that's a good defensive play.


It's been a while but we 100% agree.

[4and12to12and4]

Congrats Rats, the pack played just good enuff to win. Da BEARS made a hell ofa try, but a 55 yard fg with 4 seconds left beat us. That A. Peterson , RB, is a good one ! Live it up, your team is doing it.

Hey Bearman....getting to the party late. Thanks for the cudos. You guys put up a hell of a fight but Peterson sure looks like - if he can stay healthy - he will be a force to reckon with for years to come. And who would have thunk that Longwell had the leg for that length field goal? Unreal.

Still a lot of season left and no one has anything locked up. Should be a good finish for the 10-11 games left on the schedule.

My respect for you is at an all time high Bearman. You are classier than I thought. BTW, it sure makes you appreciate how good our run defense is, how we handled Peterson (after the 1st half), LT, and now Betts and Portis. Barnett made some really huge plays in run defense. How many tackles did he end up with? He was credited with 9 at half.

[cpk1994]

I agree. The college rule is much better. You push a guy out, that's a good defensive play.But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

[Rastak]

I agree. The college rule is much better. You push a guy out, that's a good defensive play.But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.


How about the rule states you have to get two feet down and if the defender hits your ass leaglly it has no bearing on the two feet rule?


If you get hit legally you must get your feet down.

[4and12to12and4]

Is that the play he got injured on?

[HarveyWallbangers]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.

[Green Bud Packer]

Is this "D" good enough to carry the team deep into the playoffs?

The N.F.C. title game should be a goal and no longer a dream.

[4and12to12and4]

Is this "D" good enough to carry the team deep into the playoffs?

The N.F.C. title game should be a goal and no longer a dream.

In the NFC, if we get to the playoffs, we could get to the Superbowl. In the NFC.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is this "D" good enough to carry the team deep into the playoffs?

The N.F.C. title game should be a goal and no longer a dream.

In the NFC it could be. Dallas looked good before today, but we've beaten many of the more talented teams in the NFC--Giants, Philly, and Washington. We've also beaten the Chargers. I don't care what their record is, they are damn talented.

[4and12to12and4]

Is this "D" good enough to carry the team deep into the playoffs?

The N.F.C. title game should be a goal and no longer a dream.

In the NFC it could be. Dallas looked good before today, but we've beaten many of the more talented teams in the NFC--Giants, Philly, and Washington. We've also beaten the Chargers. I don't care what their record is, they are damn talented.

Not to seperate horseshit from pepper, but Dallas looked like complete ass Monday Night, they should've been beaten by 30 points.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not to seperate horseshit from pepper, but Dallas looked like complete ass Monday Night, they should've been beaten by 30 points.

No question, but we didn't exactly look like world beaters in a couple of our games. You aren't going to play well every game. The Cowboys should be 4-1, but they clearly look more balanced than any team in the NFC.

[Rastak]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.


Yea, like the Viking Cards game that put the Packers in the playoffs. It was a cool scene at Lambeau but the fact is, the guy was out of bounds. I've railed against that rule long before that. I agree with the points Harvey raised.


That Viking game just illustrated how an offical in real time has to figure out if a guy MIGHT have gotten his feet in. How the F%^& can he know that?
And that wild speculation determined a playoff team.

[4and12to12and4]

Dallas' offense is better than average, but our defense is superior. We could beat them if we won the turnover battle. Romo would definitely throw some picks, especially being so pumped up about playing against his idol. He'd be overthrowing the ball into the stands. We would easily stop their running game. They are very beatable. I'd love to have home field on them though. The team I wouldn't want to play is ... actually they are all in the AFC, no one scares me in the NFC. I thought Philly was going to be good. By the way, my Superbowl prediction was Dallas and the Patriots. I'm assuming from comments here, the Pats are handling them pretty good.

[Rastak]

Is this "D" good enough to carry the team deep into the playoffs?

The N.F.C. title game should be a goal and no longer a dream.

In the NFC, if we get to the playoffs, we could get to the Superbowl. In the NFC.


Hey, why not! I'd shoot for that....it isn't out of the question.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dallas' offense is better than average, but our defense is superior. We could beat them if we won the turnover battle. Romo would definitely throw some picks, especially being so pumped up about playing against his idol. He'd be overthrowing the ball into the stands. We would easily stop their running game. They are very beatable. I'd love to have home field on them though. The team I wouldn't want to play is ... actually they are all in the AFC, no one scares me in the NFC. I thought Philly was going to be good. By the way, my Superbowl prediction was Dallas and the Patriots. I'm assuming from comments here, the Pats are handling them pretty good.

I think a lot depends on where they play. Go Pats! Win this week. Lose to Indianapolis down the line.

[4and12to12and4]

Dallas' offense is better than average, but our defense is superior. We could beat them if we won the turnover battle. Romo would definitely throw some picks, especially being so pumped up about playing against his idol. He'd be overthrowing the ball into the stands. We would easily stop their running game. They are very beatable. I'd love to have home field on them though. The team I wouldn't want to play is ... actually they are all in the AFC, no one scares me in the NFC. I thought Philly was going to be good. By the way, my Superbowl prediction was Dallas and the Patriots. I'm assuming from comments here, the Pats are handling them pretty good.

I think a lot depends on where they play. Go Pats! Win this week. Lose to Indianapolis down the line.

My thoughts exactly, from this point on, any NFC team with a winning record, I'm rooting against, especially after how last year played out with the Giants.

[cpk1994]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.

[4and12to12and4]

My god, I just realized that we are 3-0 against the NFC East, and we beat the Chargers. I know this is just a dream.

[Rastak]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.


So what? It's still a dumbass rule and was BEFORE that play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.

I'm not sure I'm getting the point. My opinion on the rule doesn't depend on whether it's hurt or helped the Packers in the past. If a third Wild Card team was added in 1989 instead of 1990, we would have made the playoffs with a team that went 10-6. If instant replay had been in effect in 1998, Rice would have been ruled to fumble. So what?

[cpk1994]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.


So what? It's still a dumbass rule and was BEFORE that play.
Still bitter? :lol:

[4and12to12and4]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.

The bottom line is that the rule is stupid, and it's a good defensive play. Period. It's just like the rule that if the "ball" crosses the goalline, it's a touchdown. It sissifies the meanest game on the planet. If you're sorry ass can't actually get in the endzone, not just the ball in the air, then you shouldn't get points. At least a knee or something for god sakes.

[Deputy Nutz]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.

I agree Harv, but Olsen caught a td on Bigby with one foot down and Bigby pushed him out, ruled a touchdown, I just want the same call. But I agree the game is too fast for these refs, it either should be ruled an incomplete pass, or it should be reviewed. All I hear is how the NFL wants more offense, but in this case the refs side for the defense, weird.

[Rastak]

THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.

I'm not sure I'm getting the point. My opinion on the rule doesn't depend on whether it's hurt or helped the Packers in the past. If a third Wild Card team was added in 1989 instead of 1990, we would have made the playoffs with a team that went 10-6. If instant replay had been in effect in 1998, Rice would have been ruled to fumble. So what?


Exactly, the Vikings would have lost five superbowls instead of four had pass interfearence been a replayable call and replay been in place. :wink:

[Rastak]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.THen how about I put it this way: If that focrce out rule wasn't there, the Packers don't win the division in 2003 becuase Nate Poole would have been ruled out of bounds.


So what? It's still a dumbass rule and was BEFORE that play.
Still bitter? :lol:


Nope, past is past....but I have since day one thought that was a stupid rule. What ever caused it's creation? It's hard enough to officiate a game.
They have to guess what MIGHT have happened?

[4and12to12and4]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.

I agree Harv, but Olsen caught a td on Bigby with one foot down and Bigby pushed him out, ruled a touchdown, I just want the same call. But I agree the game is too fast for these refs, it either should be ruled an incomplete pass, or it should be reviewed. All I hear is how the NFL wants more offense, but in this case the refs side for the defense, weird.

Yeah, it is weird, and also, the interception that Chuck had probably was caught by the receiver too, and we caught a break there. It's like in baseball, if the throw hits the 1st basemans glove as the runner touches first base, they always call him out, even though tie is suppose to go to the runner, and god knows we need more scoring in baseball, unless your a fan of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rockies. :wink:

[Rastak]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.

I agree Harv, but Olsen caught a td on Bigby with one foot down and Bigby pushed him out, ruled a touchdown, I just want the same call. But I agree the game is too fast for these refs, it either should be ruled an incomplete pass, or it should be reviewed. All I hear is how the NFL wants more offense, but in this case the refs side for the defense, weird.

Yeah, it is weird, and also, the interception that Chuck had probably was caught by the receiver too, and we caught a break there. It's like in baseball, if the throw hits the 1st basemans glove as the runner touches first base, they always call him out, even though tie is suppose to go to the runner, and god knows we need more scoring in baseball, unless your a fan of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rockies. :wink:


What's baseball. They lost me in the mid 90's. I'd rather watch Cricket.

[4and12to12and4]

But, if they use the college rules thats a TD because you only need one foot down.

I'm not talking about whether it should be one foot or two feet. That's another debate, and personally I'm cool with either one. However, I think the push out of bounds in the NFL is ridiculous. Not only are you punishing a good defensive play. You are putting a judgement call in the hands of the refs. And, it's another play that can't be reviewed. They'll overturn the rule--once something happens in a playoff game that costs some team.

I agree Harv, but Olsen caught a td on Bigby with one foot down and Bigby pushed him out, ruled a touchdown, I just want the same call. But I agree the game is too fast for these refs, it either should be ruled an incomplete pass, or it should be reviewed. All I hear is how the NFL wants more offense, but in this case the refs side for the defense, weird.

Yeah, it is weird, and also, the interception that Chuck had probably was caught by the receiver too, and we caught a break there. It's like in baseball, if the throw hits the 1st basemans glove as the runner touches first base, they always call him out, even though tie is suppose to go to the runner, and god knows we need more scoring in baseball, unless your a fan of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rockies. :wink:


What's baseball. They lost me in the mid 90's. I'd rather watch Cricket.

Lost you in the nineties? That was the greatest decade for baseball ever. What, you don't like steroids? Then why are you watching football.

[4and12to12and4]

Where'd everyone go? Did the Pats score again? :lol:

[Rastak]

Well, since you asked I will give my honest opinion.


Young readers please turn away, baseball used to be my favorite sport and I have strong feelings:
























Those fucking assholes can kiss my ass. I am 100% pro-union but these fucking pricks can blow me. The absolute unbalance of teams is a joke. Listen to the players association talk...Gene Orza and satan Donald Fehr can shove it up their ass. These self centered sons of bitches destroyed any interest I had in the game when they cancelled the world series, the final nail was knocked in . Don't you find that a little disturbing? I sure did. No cap, and a complete disdain for the fans....FUCK YOU BASEBALL


sorry kids, but I had to give it straight.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, since you asked I will give my honest opinion.


Young readers please turn away, baseball used to be my favorite sport and I have strong feelings:
























Those fucking assholes can kiss my ass. I am 100% pro-union but these fucking pricks can blow me. The absolute unbalance of teams is a joke. Listen to the players association talk...Gene Orza and satan Donald Fehr can shove it up their ass. These self centered sons of bitches destroyed any interest I had in the game when they cancelled the world series, the final nail was knocked in . Don't you find that a little disturbing? I sure did. No cap, and a complete disdain for the fans....FUCK YOU BASEBALL


sorry kids, but I had to give it straight.





Oh.

[The Shadow]

How about a nice round of applause for Jason Spitz?

[Rastak]

Anyone watching the Pats-Cowboys game?


Outstanding example of how friggen stupid the pushout rule is....

[4and12to12and4]

How about a nice round of applause for Jason Spitz?

Jason Spitz did an amazing job with no penalties, and good protection, and when the defense jumped offsides, he just said "f" it and snapped the ball giving us a first down. He was outstanding.

[cpk1994]

How about a nice round of applause for Jason Spitz?

Jason Spitz did an amazing job with no penalties, and good protection, and when the defense jumped offsides, he just said "f" it and snapped the ball giving us a first down. He was outstanding.Favre almost got done in by his own hard count, he didn't even see the ball coming. :)

[4and12to12and4]

How about a nice round of applause for Jason Spitz?

Jason Spitz did an amazing job with no penalties, and good protection, and when the defense jumped offsides, he just said "f" it and snapped the ball giving us a first down. He was outstanding.Favre almost got done in by his own hard count, he didn't even see the ball coming. :)

I noticed that also, he almost fumbled, the ball hit him right in the gut. Then ten seconds later after the play was dead, he heaves it 40 yards downfield, that was funny shit.

[Badgepack]

Yes, an ugly win but I'll take it.

Exactly, a win is a win, 5-1 is sitting pretty good going into the bye week.
I think that the young players are learing how to win games with the veteran leadership showing the way. It is important to win ugly and when things are not exactly going smooth. What a suprising and pleasant suprise so far this season. What a difference from the last few years. Everyone down here (in the southwest part of the country) is talking about the Pack and jumping on the bandwagon, except for the damn Cowboy fans, who acually are giving Favre and the Pack thier due. Hawk seemed to finally have an impact game and Barnet continues to make the big plays. Who would have thought 5-1 going into the bye week.

[BallHawk]

Redskins fans are a whiny bunch. They think the Packers got all the calls. They blame the loss on the PI on Thrash during CW's Illegal Contact.

They also think, to accommodate their lack of OL depth, that the roster size should be expanded to 65. :roll: :lol:

[MJZiggy]

Redskins fans are a whiny bunch. They think the Packers got all the calls. They blame the loss on the PI on Thrash during CW's Illegal Contact.

They also think, to accommodate their lack of OL depth, that the roster size should be expanded to 65. :roll: :lol:

Great. I have to live with these people for the next week...hibernation sounds like a good plan...

[BallHawk]

Redskins fans are a whiny bunch. They think the Packers got all the calls. They blame the loss on the PI on Thrash during CW's Illegal Contact.

They also think, to accommodate their lack of OL depth, that the roster size should be expanded to 65. :roll: :lol:

Great. I have to live with these people for the next week...hibernation sounds like a good plan...

Screw it Zig, wear your Packer colors with pride. If they would of won they would of said the refs didn't effect the outcome. You should shove the win down the D.C. Young Professionals' throats.

:D

[Partial]

Taylor is a special player.

Funny, Partial told me last week he was the most over-rated player in the league. Saw him play like two times or something.

Taylor? What Taylor?

edit:

Oh, Sean Taylor. He is. He gives up more big plays than anyone in the league. Last year he led the league in touchdowns given up. He's a good player and an upgrade over Collins because he makes plays, but so many people treat him like he is gods gift to the Redskins. Today's 4th quarter pick from Favre was a gimme. I could have picked that off. I didn't see the first one. How can anyone argue that someone who gives up more big plays the Ahmad Carroll is a special player?!?!?!?! Maybe he is this year, but I was talking about historically, not a brief glimpse into this year.

[Joemailman]

Redskins fans are a whiny bunch. They think the Packers got all the calls. They blame the loss on the PI on Thrash during CW's Illegal Contact.

They also think, to accommodate their lack of OL depth, that the roster size should be expanded to 65. :roll: :lol:

Did they miss the part where the referees took 2 TD's away from the Packers? :huh: :crazy:

[mmmdk]

Packers won - I think we'll all take it.

I admit; I get cranky, during the game, when Packers play badly. Favre is right though; this team can & must get better 'cos in december/january and dare I say: FEBRUARY, one dimentional teams won't cut it.

The Packers D stepped up in the second half and won the game. I've been too hard on the D but I still believe that they're not great...yet.

[Partial]

WOW...It feels like forever since I"ve been on here for a game, went to the Charger game, AT The Brewer game for the Vikes, and then went to the Bears game.

Unfortunately, I'm not feeling it today. Spitz & Moll starting at C & G....Redskins are a GOOD tough defense. Offense is pretty good. I expect a lot of power runs, which GB struggles against, and a lot of playaction passes to Cooley over Poopinga.

You went to the game but didn't meet up with us?!?!

[MJZiggy]

Redskins fans are a whiny bunch. They think the Packers got all the calls. They blame the loss on the PI on Thrash during CW's Illegal Contact.

They also think, to accommodate their lack of OL depth, that the roster size should be expanded to 65. :roll: :lol:

Great. I have to live with these people for the next week...hibernation sounds like a good plan...

Screw it Zig, wear your Packer colors with pride. If they would of won they would of said the refs didn't effect the outcome. You should shove the win down the D.C. Young Professionals' throats.

:D

I ALWAYS wear my Packer colors with pride...


(actually around halftime I was worried that might new gear might have some bad mojo or something considering I wore it last week and we lost and we weren't doing so well in the 1st half. I almost went to change, but had to leave so I didn't. Glad to know it wasn't me.

[digitaldean]

Well, since you asked I will give my honest opinion.


Young readers please turn away, baseball used to be my favorite sport and I have strong feelings....


sorry kids, but I had to give it straight.

Feel the same way for the most part, Ras. Vowed after the World Series cancellation that I would never attend another MLB game.

Definitely was tempted at times, especially with the past Brewers' season. Even with free/discounted ticketes. But I've stuck to my guns. The day they ran Fay Vincent out and let Bud be their hired stooge, look what happened to the game.

Guys like Bart Giamatti and Fay Vincent were caretakers of the game. Guys like Selig and the other owners care more about the money coming in. </rant>

[GBRulz]

WOW...It feels like forever since I"ve been on here for a game, went to the Charger game, AT The Brewer game for the Vikes, and then went to the Bears game.

Unfortunately, I'm not feeling it today. Spitz & Moll starting at C & G....Redskins are a GOOD tough defense. Offense is pretty good. I expect a lot of power runs, which GB struggles against, and a lot of playaction passes to Cooley over Poopinga.

You went to the game but didn't meet up with us?!?!

The nerve of some people !

[GBRulz]

We spend more money on our field this year than we did in FA and our field looked like an ice skating rink today. Is this half grass/half synthetic stuff supposed to be slippery like that? OR were the players simply not fitted with the proper cleats?

[oregonpackfan]

We spend more money on our field this year than we did in FA and our field looked like an ice skating rink today. Is this half grass/half synthetic stuff supposed to be slippery like that? OR were the players simply not fitted with the proper cleats?

GBRulz,

In the tour we took before the Bears game, the tour guide claimed the new turf was 95% natural grass and just 5% synthetic blades. Are you sure about the 50/50 ratio?

[Rastak]

We spend more money on our field this year than we did in FA and our field looked like an ice skating rink today. Is this half grass/half synthetic stuff supposed to be slippery like that? OR were the players simply not fitted with the proper cleats?

GBRulz,

In the tour we took before the Bears game, the tour guide claimed the new turf was 95% natural grass and just 5% synthetic blades. Are you sure about the 50/50 ratio?


Let's not split hairs....fake grass is fake grass.....


:wink:

[GBRulz]

We spend more money on our field this year than we did in FA and our field looked like an ice skating rink today. Is this half grass/half synthetic stuff supposed to be slippery like that? OR were the players simply not fitted with the proper cleats?

GBRulz,

In the tour we took before the Bears game, the tour guide claimed the new turf was 95% natural grass and just 5% synthetic blades. Are you sure about the 50/50 ratio?

Actually, OPF I honestly don't know what the ratio is. I just heard that 20 million synthetic fibers stitch the grass together. So, I'm just wondering if that contributes to the field being more slippery vs all grass? If it's only 5%, then I doubt that is the case.

[MJZiggy]

I thought all the synthetic stuff was supposed to do is get tangled up in the grass roots so the field doesn't divot and get torn apart when it's rainy (needing to be replaced as soon as the weather turns bad.) See Tar? I can be taking pics and paying attention to what's going on around me at the same time...

Women can multitask... 8-)

[GBRulz]

How many pics did you take last weekend?

[MJZiggy]

436.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Where are they?

[MJZiggy]

2 folders on my external HD and some are still on the camera's card (a few are posted).

[AtlPackFan]

Well, since you asked I will give my honest opinion.


Young readers please turn away, baseball used to be my favorite sport and I have strong feelings....


sorry kids, but I had to give it straight.

Feel the same way for the most part, Ras. Vowed after the World Series cancellation that I would never attend another MLB game.

Definitely was tempted at times, especially with the past Brewers' season. Even with free/discounted ticketes. But I've stuck to my guns. The day they ran Fay Vincent out and let Bud be their hired stooge, look what happened to the game.

Guys like Bart Giamatti and Fay Vincent were caretakers of the game. Guys like Selig and the other owners care more about the money coming in. </rant>

Sorry...disagree. Selig inherited the mess. Union wouldn't agree to a salary cap and the owners wouldn't agree to revenue sharing. You don't think that Selig...who was a small market owner of a team that couldn't compete...wouldn't have loved to see the disparity between the haves and have nots shrunk? I think that is the reason Selig took the job in the first place...to see if he could equal the playing filed.

Did he F up a lot? You bet...the steroid scandal was on his watch. But he was against the strongest union in all of sports and owners like Steinbrenner and Turner that couldn't care less about the disparity as long as they were winning championships.

I too took a leave from baseball but there have been small gains made and some - not all, but some - of the disparity is indeed shrinking. If your smart and spend your money wisely your team too can be a Colorado or a Arizona. The Brewers were close. And how great (with apologies to all Cub fans) was it to see the spend-happy Cubs bite the dust in 3 against the Rockies and Steinbrenner lose to the the Indians.

Despite baseballs ills and past problems, I believe the game is back and I don't feel Selig was part of the problem but part of the solution.

I will admit I am biased...I was around when the Braves packed up and moved to Atlanta despite great attendance. I remember when there wasn't baseball in Milwaukee and Bud Selig brought it back. I remember the Brewers rise to elite status in '82 and then slowly fall to the side as it became harder and harder for them to compete with the unlimited pockets of big market teams.

So yes, I am biased. IMHO...Selig didn't create the problem. He inherited the problem.

Sorry all...this is very off-topic but I could not not respond.

[Rastak]

I went to a football game and a baseball discussion broke out!


Nice post Atl. I used to love the game to the tune of listening to about 120 games year....I've probably watched maybe 10 games since 1994. They can kiss my arse. Fix your sport dumbasses.

[Badgepack]

Special teams won the first game against the Eagles

The offense won the next 3 games.

Today, the defense wins the game.

The Packers have a pretty well balanced team, and it seems each week someone steps up to win the game. Well done. Can't wait until all three phases of the game play well during the same game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Special teams won the first game against the Eagles

The offense won the next 3 games.

Today, the defense wins the game.

The Packers have a pretty well balanced team, and it seems each week someone steps up to win the game. Well done. Can't wait until all three phases of the game play well during the same game.

Game one: special teams and defense
Game two: offense and defense
Game three: offense
Game four: offense and defense
Game six: defense

I just hope we win a game with the running game soon. The rest of the team is playoff caliber. Favre had his first horrible game today. Game one, he wasn't great, but was pressured a lot and made plays when he had to. Games two through four, he was exceptional. Game five, he was exceptional in the first half, but had a bad interception and ineffective second half (although the playcalling hurt him). Still, he played well enough that they should have had the win. They won today despite him. That's the way it goes sometimes though.

[Badgepack]

The broadcast of the game on TV didn't show anything, but I hope to hell MM was giving the refs an earful after some of the holding done to Kampman.

[MJZiggy]

I don't mind if calls are made/not made as long as there is some consistency to it. I admit I did see an offsides penalty that would have gone against GB at one point not get called, but that does not equate having 2 touchdowns nullified. If there was contact allowed on for one team, then it should have been allowed to the same degree for the other. The way it was is just stupid.

[Guiness]

Missed the game because I was travelling, and saw Favre's and Wynn's #'s on the ticker before I saw the score - I thought for sure we'd lost!

They sure pulled this one out. Good teams find ways to win games, and this team is certainly doing that!