Patriots..................

[packinpatland]

Is it just my intense dislike of the Patrtiots, especially their coach, that makes me say... that when they scored that last TD it was a totally classless thing to do?
4th and 1, at the goal, with seconds left, up by two scores and they run it in.
Anyone else feel this way? Maybe you have to live here and listen to all this
'genius' talk ......................... :roll: I seldom like to use the word 'hate' but I sure do hate the Patriots.

[b bulldog]

Agree 100%

[MTPackerfan]

I thought that was pretty petty also, like rubbing the Cowboys face in the loss.
And Brady was all jacked about it also.

[Spaulding]

No question the Pat's are stacked and the team to beat. Also, no contest that Bilicheat is one heck of a game time coach but I also agree that it is a class-less move.

I used to like the Pats back in the late 70's and early 80's (through their Super Bowl debacle against the Bears) and didn't mind them in the 90's. Also, actually rooted for them in 2000 against the Rams but I have to say the more I see of Bilicheat the more disgusted I get with his smugness.

Act like you expect to win or have been there before. Barry Sanders was the ultimate there as was many of the old school coaches. I see McCarthy growing that way and I like it.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, normally I would agree, but, what sportscasters are saying is that they did that as a f**k you to Wade Phillips and the Dallas players for their negative comments about them being cheaters and maybe they shouldn't have their Superbowl rings. So, they took this as a revenge tactic or a statement by the Patriots to say "we can kick your ass and the rest of the league's with or without cameras.

[packinpatland]

Like I said before...................classless.

[MadtownPacker]

I wonder what the football gods think. They usually don't answer until the playoffs.

[Bossman641]

This is an article about it from Bill Simmons of ESPN. Of course he's a huge Patriots fan so he doesn't mind it, but it shows how this has been going on all year. Very classless IMO.

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Right after Junior Seau's interception clinched the Patriots' 48-27 victory in Dallas on Sunday, my BlackBerry vibrated with a six-word text from my friend Willy:

Don't expect to see Tom Brady "take a knee" anytime soon.
"Here comes the Eff You TD."

Three minutes later, it happened: Fourth-string running back Kyle Eckel rammed home a fourth-and-1 carry with 19 seconds remaining in a 14-point game. Normally, you take a knee there ... but not this year. Back in the mid-'80s, every time the Celtics walked off an opposing floor after a hard-fought road victory, a giddy Kevin McHale clenched his fists, raised his Frankenstein arms above his head and showed off his victorious armpits. This was the hairy victory cigar of the Bird era. Maybe the 2007 Patriots don't have anything as magical as McHale's pits, but they do have the "Eff You TD." It's their little way of telling the other 31 teams, "You took shots at us after the Jets game, you discredited our three Super Bowls, you pretended we were the only team stealing opposing signals when everyone does it, so you know what? Eff you."

You might remember me bringing this up in my Week 4 picks column: "Yeah, it's wrong to run up the score. I'd be the first one to admit it. But it's a natural reaction to the way they were vilified for two straight weeks. The rest of the nation turned them into a mutant cross between Cobra Kai and the Yankees, so screw it, they're acting like the Cobra Kai Yankees. Can you blame them? I can't answer that one objectively, so I won't try. But if you don't think they'll be running up the score in Cincinnati on Monday night, you're crazy."

What happened in that Bengals game? Leading by 14 points with nine minutes left, the Pats commenced a climactic 85-yard drive by putting Brady in the shotgun, then throwing five straight times before following it up with three Sammy Morris handoffs that brought them to Cincy's 14-yard line with 3:24 remaining. Teams always run out the clock, make the opposing team burn the rest of its timeouts and kick the game-clinching field goal here, right? Not the 2007 Cobra Kai Yankees. Coming off a Cincy timeout, Brady nailed Moss for a 14-yard touchdown. In other words, eff you.

As you might have heard by now, the Patriots are 6-0, they've outscored opponents by a 230-92 margin, and Tom Brady might quintuple Gus Frerotte's QB rating before everything's said and done. In each of those six wins, they specifically went for a meaningless touchdown just to stick it to their opponents. Here's the complete list:


Week 1 at New York Jets (38-14): 1-yard TD by Heath Evans, 1:58 left.

Week 2 vs. San Diego (38-14): 3-yard TD by Sammy Morris, 3:18 left.


Week 3 vs. Buffalo (38-7): 45-yard TD catch by Randy Moss, 10:22 left.

Week 4 at Cincy (34-17): 14-yard TD catch by Randy Moss, 3:18 left.

Week 5 vs. Cleveland (34-17): 15-yard fumble return TD by Randall Gay, 0:42 left.


(Important note: This came one play after the Pats failed to convert the "Eff You TD" on fourth-and-goal from Cleveland's 4 when Brady just missed Kyle Brady in the end zone.)


Week 6 vs. Dallas (48-27): 1-yard TD run by Kyle Eckles, 0:19 left.

What does this all mean, other than we should start preparing ourselves for the first 100-point game in NFL history against the Jets in Week 15? We have our first potentially dominant team of the hard-cap era, but more importantly, we have our first true NFL villain since the Raiders in the late-'70s. People hate this team. They want them to lose. It's like having the '96 Bulls back, only if everyone despised them and MJ played garbage-time minutes just to make sure every opponent lost by 20-plus points.

Regardless of how you feel about the 2007 Patriots, at the very least, you have to admit the following three things:

1. You haven't seen football played this well in a long time. Three weeks ago, Malcolm Gladwell e-mailed me to say he was heading to Europe and wanted to know if there was a Web site that allowed him to buy a game tape of the Pats-Bengals game and have it Fed Ex'ed to him. When I asked why he didn't TiVo the game and just watch it when he came back, Gladwell explained he didn't want to wait that long -- the Pats were playing at such a high level, he was fascinated with them in a way that went beyond football. And it's true. We haven't seen anything like this with professional sports in a while. When Dallas took the lead in the third quarter Sunday, the thing that amazed me wasn't that it happened, but how assured I was the Patriots would immediately answer with a score. There was no doubt in my mind. Honestly, I haven't felt this way about a Boston team since the '86 Celtics.

2. Barring injuries, it's going to be an enormous, enormous deal if somebody beats New England this season. That's the sign of a truly great team, regardless of the sport. During my sophomore year in college, I remember watching the '89 Niners and thinking, "There's no way in hell they can be beaten. You'd need about 35 things to happen." As it turned out, they outscored their opponents by a 442-253 margin in the regular season, lost two games by a total of five points and rolled through their three playoff opponents by the unfathomable score of 126-26. Yeah, the '92 Cowboys were great; so were the '94 Niners and the '98 Broncos. But the '89 Niners were on a different level, and we haven't seen anything like it since. Now we're seeing it again.

3. It's fun to have a old-school villain in sports again, right? There's a reason every sports movie has a bad guy in it. There's a reason "USA 4, USSR 3" was the single greatest moment in American sports history. There's a reason people enjoy hating the Yankees and Duke as much as they do.

Over the past 25 years, we've found more and more ways to become attached to sporting events -- there are fantasy teams, office pools, gambling and everything else. On Sundays during the NFL season, I'm rooting for so many different things that I can't even keep track of everything. But here's a case in which sports has been reduced to the purest form: A great football team broke the rules and paid the price; media members and NFL folks had a field day excoriating the team for what happened; somewhere along the line, people decided the team's Super Bowls were tainted even though the NFL didn't send out its much-discussed memo about videotaping opposing signals until September 2006; and that's when the team made the collective decision, "You know what? Eff you!"

It's a two-word phrase that can't be printed on ESPN.com, but it's become the mantra of the 2007 Patriots season. Eff you. You can see it with every rubbing-it-in touchdown in the fourth quarter, as well as every "Get 'em a body bag ... YEAHHHHHHHHH!" reaction on the sidelines after it happens. You can see it with Brady's ticked-off game face that hasn't changed for five straight weeks. You can see it with Belichick's super-satisfied grin during the postgame handshake with the opposing coach -- especially with Wade Phillips, who made the fatal mistake of taking a shot at the Pats this week, when Belichick looked liked he was dying to tell him, "Man, imagine what the score could have been had if we were allowed to videotape your terrible coaching signals!"


It's a great football team with an even greater edge. If you're rooting against them, you hate them for it. If you're rooting for them, you love it and feel the same way. Best of all, there's no middle ground. Maybe the 2007 Pats were caught stealing signals, but only one signal matters anymore: two middle fingers turned toward the sky.

[Merlin]

Back in 2002 in Super Bowl XXXVI, I was rooting hard for the Patriots. Who could forget the infamous "tuck" rule that vaulted the Patriots into the AFC title game. Our very own Charles Woodson was the Raider who caused the controversy with that particular sack in the game. This was the first Super Bowl following September 11, 2001 and the Patriots had a miraculous season with Drew Bledsoe going down in the season. They were underdogs even though they posted an 11-5 record. When Vinatari lifted the game winning kick, I think even Ram's fans had to be impressed with what had transpired.

From being America's beloved cardiac team in a time when patriotism was at it highest to becoming the most hated team in the NFL in a mere 5 years is quite an accomplishment. When they showed Tom Brady kissing Robert Kraft, I about puked. What kind of media do we have that shows that kind of obvious ass kissing? Talk about playing to the cameras.

I no longer have any respect for Belichick after the way he goes about coaching the game. I used to admire his discipline and the way he ran things. However, there have been far too many times now that the Patriots have shown nothing but disdain for the rules and sportsmanship. Players talk trash, it's part of the game. When you go and run up the score for no other reason then to show how big your member is, that is not only a classless move, it's a cowards move.

Anyone can buy a Super Bowl title in today's game. Kraft is trying to do just that. From a time when no name players came together to make something special happen to a time where it's win at all costs and damn the integrity of the game. That's a long ways to fall. I can only hope that they make it to the Super Bowl and get their asses handed to them by some team like the 49er's. I'd like to say the Packer's but who else but the 49er's has a team of no-names??

[packinpatland]

"Maybe the 2007 Patriots don't have anything as magical as McHale's pits, but they do have the "Eff You TD." It's their little way of telling the other 31 teams, "You took shots at us after the Jets game, you discredited our three Super Bowls, you pretended we were the only team stealing opposing signals when everyone does it, so you know what? Eff you."

You might remember me bringing this up in my Week 4 picks column: "Yeah, it's wrong to run up the score. I'd be the first one to admit it. But it's a natural reaction to the way they were vilified for two straight weeks. The rest of the nation turned them into a mutant cross between Cobra Kai and the Yankees, so screw it, they're acting like the Cobra Kai Yankees. Can you blame them? I can't answer that one objectively, so I won't try."

I'm sorry but this reasoning is so childish. 'We got caught, and damn it you're going to pay'
Living here in NE after the whole SpyGate thing unraveled, the most common retorts from Patriot fans were, 'everyone does it', and 'just win baby'. My reply to each one was simply........... '*'.

[mraynrand]

Well, If NE wants to engage in the Eff U approach, what they'll get back is the 'payback' approach. Teams really hate getting losses rubbed in. What you typically 'get in return for a 'Refrigerator Perry TD' is a Charles Martin career-ending late hit. At this point I'm actually rooting for NE players to get hurt, and that's not my style. I'm really getting to hate those guys.

[mraynrand]

I'm sorry but this reasoning is so childish. 'We got caught, and damn it you're going to pay'


So you don't think they're rubbing it in? How obvious does it have to be? Should they announce it on the PA? Wake up.

[packinpatland]

I'm sorry but this reasoning is so childish. 'We got caught, and damn it you're going to pay'


So you don't think they're rubbing it in? How obvious does it have to be? Should they announce it on the PA? Wake up.

NOOOOO, I DO think they are rubbing it in, I was commenting on the reasoning in the prior post. Even their post game interviews say that they are rubbing it in.

[MJZiggy]

Karma hates that. Mraynrand is right on this one. I don't root for teams to get hurt, but as a general rule when you take on this kind of attitude, eventually it will come back to bite you in the ass (or break your ass as the case may be...)

[LaFours]

Karma hates that. Mraynrand is right on this one. I don't root for teams to get hurt, but as a general rule when you take on this kind of attitude, eventually it will come back to bite you in the ass (or break your ass as the case may be...)

I've never broken my ass, but I bet that hurts a lot.

[The Leaper]

Some day, the Patriots will be bad again...it might not be this year, or next...but they will be.

Expect a lot of 40+ point games against them when that happens.

And the football gods certainly are watching.

[K-town]

For Brady "fans" see the following link:

http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2007/10/effective-immediately-bounty-on-tom.html

[Jimx29]

The pats are trying their best to turn the NFL into a punk thug league like what's happened to the NBA


Karmas a bitch...... 8-)

[Carolina_Packer]

It's funny to think that our own TT could have had some effect on the Patriots fortunes this season if he had just pushed a little harder to get Moss. I'm not saying they wouldn't be good without him, but not this good. With Moss, we would have cared that much less about the running game. :-)

[mraynrand]

I'm sorry but this reasoning is so childish. 'We got caught, and damn it you're going to pay'


So you don't think they're rubbing it in? How obvious does it have to be? Should they announce it on the PA? Wake up.

NOOOOO, I DO think they are rubbing it in, I was commenting on the reasoning in the prior post. Even their post game interviews say that they are rubbing it in.

I had to read it a couple of times, but now I see what you mean - you're saying the Patriot's reasoning is childish. gotcha. I really hope someone kicks the shit outta the patsies and then just piles it on. Preferably in the Superbowl. Preferably Green Bay. Maybe Lombardi can pull some strings with the big guy.

[MJZiggy]

Karma hates that. Mraynrand is right on this one. I don't root for teams to get hurt, but as a general rule when you take on this kind of attitude, eventually it will come back to bite you in the ass (or break your ass as the case may be...)

I've never broken my ass, but I bet that hurts a lot.

One can only hope.

[MadtownPacker]

I wonder how many other team's forums have a patriot hater thread? :lol:

[Partial]

Steelers, Jags and Colts will provide tough games.

[the_idle_threat]

For Brady "fans" see the following link:

http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2007/10/effective-immediately-bounty-on-tom.html

Hilarious site. Love the Jerry Jones/Wade Phillips series:

http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/search/label/wade%20and%20jerry

[woodbuck27]

The pats are trying their best to turn the NFL into a punk thug league like what's happened to the NBA


Karmas a bitch...... 8-)

KARMA is a real lift or a beat down. YOU CHOOSE. :)

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Steelers, Jags and Colts will provide tough games.

ALL solid Partial.