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Bretsky
10-24-2007, 08:10 PM
Packers' Next Opponent: Odds favor Broncos
But they will be without several starters Monday
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Oct. 23, 2007

Green Bay - The Denver Broncos are 10 days removed from suffering their worst home defeat in 41 years, they'll be missing at least five starters because of injury and their next opponent, the Green Bay Packers, is 5-1 and coming off a bye.

Nevertheless, oddsmakers have installed the Broncos as a 3-point favorite over the Packers on Monday night at Invesco Field.

"Denver's going to win that game," an assistant coach for a recent Broncos opponent said. "They beat Pittsburgh. They've got the momentum. And that crowd there is extremely loud."

The Broncos are coming off their finest performance in a 3-3 season, a 31-28 upset of the Pittsburgh Steelers in Denver. It followed a 41-3 trouncing by San Diego, after which coach Mike Shanahan declared, "I don't know if I've ever been more embarrassed."

Shanahan, 55, is 76-24 at home during the regular season but just 3-6 since last October. After winning the second of two Super Bowls in January 1999, the Broncos are 79-55 in the regular season but just 1-4 in the playoffs.

For the second straight season, Shanahan's team is the oldest in the AFC. He turned over an astonishing 14 starters from September 2006 to September 2007, continuing to build more through free agency than the draft.

"I think they're looking for reasons to fail there," another opposing assistant said. "Denver's not real strong this year. I think Green Bay should win the game.

"Denver is much like a college team. When they get up on you their emotions are riding high. But if you get up on them they really drag."
Jim Bates, the Packers' popular defensive coordinator in 2005, has the National Football League's worst run defense as the Broncos' first-year coordinator.

"They changed up against the Steelers," one coach said. "They put eight and nine guys in the box, the Steelers couldn't run and then they didn't throw it well because they couldn't handle the pressure.

"I know Jim Bates, and he is going to bring pressure. Jim was at Green Bay. If anybody knows Green Bay, he knows them. (Brett) Favre ain't going to have a lot of time."


OFFENSE


SCHEME

Mike Shanahan's version of the West Coast offense features bootlegs, screens and a zone run game that dates to 1995, when Alex Gibbs was on his staff. His base set is one RB, two TEs and two WRs. From it, Shanahan uses shifts and motions trying to find advantageous matchups. Shanahan is running on 47.1% of the downs. The Broncos rank fifth in yards (358.3), tied for 18th in giveaways (13) and 26th in points (17.7).

RECEIVERS

With former Packer Javon Walker (knee) out indefinitely, slot WR Brandon Stokley (5 feet 11 inches, 192 pounds) starts opposite Brandon Marshall (6-4½, 225). Stokley, who blew out his Achilles' tendon while with Indianapolis in December, is fully recovered and playing well. He's a nifty, precise route runner, is exceptional from the slot on third down and has a penchant for big plays. Marshall also is physical inside, runs extremely well after the catch and can sneak deep. Free agent Glenn Martinez (6-1½, 190), who played at Saginaw Valley State alongside Green Bay's Ruvell Martin, is a possession man. Venerable Rod Smith (hip) won't play for several more weeks. Daniel Graham (6-3, 257) and Tony Scheffler (6-5½, 250) make a superb pair of TEs. Graham, who left New England in March for $15 million guaranteed, is one of the elite blockers at the position and should be used more as a receiver. Scheffler, a second-round pick in '06 who played alongside Green Bay's Greg Jennings at Western Michigan, has 4.54-second speed in the 40-yard dash and is a major threat. However, he's iffy with a sprained ankle from Sunday night.

OFFENSIVE LINE

This is Shanahan's biggest group ever. Two of the top three starters, LG Ben Hamilton (concussion) and C Tom Nalen (biceps), are on injured reserve. LT Matt Lepsis (6-5, 290), a starter since 1999, is a finesse player who is athletic enough to steer speed rushers but has problems against power. C Chris Myers (6-4½, 295), a sixth-round pick in '05 who moved from left guard when Nalen went down in Week 5, possesses adequate size and strength. He just can't move anybody off the ball. Both LG Chris Kuper (6-4½, 302), a fifth-round pick in '06 who debuted as a starter Sunday night, and RG Montrae Holland (6-1½, 322) are wide bodies. The Alaskan-born Kuper can be shaky in protection. Holland, a backup in New Orleans, can strike a blow in close quarters but isn't very agile. RT Erik Pears (6-7½, 305), a free agent in '05, made 10 starts at LT in '06. Fast and athletic, Pears doesn't pass block with good leverage.

QUARTERBACKS

Jay Cutler (6-3, 233), the 11th pick in '06, was handed the reins in Week 12 last year and is coming off his best outing of the season. Cutler, who scored 29 on the Wonderlic intelligence test, has a bazooka for an arm, improving touch and excellent toughness. Cutler had to take chances with his arm at Vanderbilt and still does, which leads to bad plays. He runs well (4.77), is dangerous on the move and doesn't let mistakes bother him. His passer rating is 84.2. Former Redskin Patrick Ramsey (6-2, 225) is No. 2.


RUNNING BACKS

Travis Henry (5-9, 230), an underrated player, suffered bruised ribs against Pittsburgh and is iffy. He's like a cement mixer, a mini-bowling ball with thick thighs who can run over and around people. Speed and receiving ability are his limiting factors. Selvin Young (5-11, 207), a rookie free agent, enters on third down. He isn't fast but he has plenty of skill and can pass-block. So can FB Cecil Sapp (5-11, 229), a first-year starter. Swing man Mike Bell (6-0½, 225) rushed for 677 yards as a rookie free agent in '06.

DEFENSE

SCHEME

Jim Bates, 61, coordinates the same Jimmy Johnson-type defense that he did in Green Bay. However, his front seven lacks size and can't handle the run without a safety in the box, which Bates is loathe to do. Bates would like to play more press-man coverage but doesn't have the personnel or rush to do it. Two of Bates' aides in Green Bay, Bob Slowik (DB) and Joe Baker (LB), also assist him in Denver. The inability to cover tight ends has been a daunting problem. The Broncos rank 20th in yards allowed (340.8), 26th in points allowed (27.3) and tied for 26th in takeaways (nine).


DEFENSIVE LINE


The mix of aging veterans and rookies isn't working. NT Sam Adams (6-2½, 385) is 34, has a bad knee, practices one day a week and is just too fat. DT Amon Gordon was benched in Week 5 for rookie Marcus Thomas (6-2½, 315), a fourth-round pick with first-round ability. Thomas has brought some much-needed penetration and energy. Rookie DE Tim Crowder (6-3½, 275), a second-round pick, is an underachiever with 4.69 speed. He plays inside in nickel. The best player is DE Elvis Dumervil (5-11½, 260), a fourth-round pick in '06 who has become a dangerous pass rusher. He flies off the edge with 4.75 speed and never quits. The other starting DE, Ebenezer Ekuban, went on injured reserve Aug. 20 (Achilles' tendon). His replacement, former 49er John Engelberger (6-4½, 260), still tries hard but has little to offer. Rookie DE Jarvis Moss (6-6½, 265), the 17th pick, has 4.72 speed but lacks strength and more than an up-field move. DE Simeon Rice (6-5, 268), who is 33 and fading fast, has a shoulder injury and probably will miss another week.


LINEBACKERS

MLB D.J. Williams (6-0½, 242), the 17th pick in '04, is playing his third position and isn't as decisive. He has 4.59 speed, has 24 more tackles than anyone else and is a great athlete. With WLB Ian Gold (6-1, 223), everything is based on speed. But in his eighth season he has lost a step and isn't making as many tackles. SLB Nate Webster (5-10½, 232) doesn't react well, doesn't tackle well and isn't physical. When blockers get on Gold and Webster, they're rolled out as if on skates.


SECONDARY

The key is whether Champ Bailey (6-0, 192), the game's finest cornerback, can play after sitting out Sunday night with a thigh injury. Bailey, 29, is equally dominant against run and pass. CB Dre Bly (5-10, 188), acquired from Detroit via trade in March, has great ball skills and feel but takes too many chances and ends up getting toasted too much. Plus, he isn't a tackler. Domonique Foxworth (5-11, 180), the No. 3 CB, has blazing speed but really doesn't like to tackle. John Lynch (6-2, 220) remains an all-time hitter and effective blitzer. The problem for Bates is that his aging safeties, Lynch and SS Nick Ferguson (5-9½, 201), can't cover.

SPECIAL TEAMS
Jason Elam, 37, has been responsible for all three victories with walk-off field goals of 42, 23 and 49 yards. He made 93.1% in '06, the best mark of his illustrious career. If you filmed Elam, his hands, arms, shoulders and head would be identical on every kick. As he ages, his ball isn't as high or as long as it used to be. P Todd Sauerbrun, 34, also has to kick off for new special-teams coach Scott O'Brien, the Superior native who coached Sauerbrun in Carolina from 2001-'04. Sauerbrun's typically low punts travel 51 yards and are returned 13. Neither the return game nor the coverage units are up to O'Brien's previously high standards. Bailey has saved three TDs on kickoffs from his deep position on the coverage team.

OS PA
10-24-2007, 10:49 PM
OFFENSE


SCHEME

Mike Shanahan's version of the West Coast offense features bootlegs, screens and a zone run game that dates to 1995, when Alex Gibbs was on his staff. His base set is one RB, two TEs and two WRs. From it, Shanahan uses shifts and motions trying to find advantageous matchups. Shanahan is running on 47.1% of the downs. The Broncos rank fifth in yards (358.3), tied for 18th in giveaways (13) and 26th in points (17.7).

Mike McCarthy's version of the West Coast offense features shotgun sets, slants, and a modified zone blocking scheme. His base set is one RB, one TE, and three WRs. From it, McCarthy allows Quarterback Brett Favre to call a series of audibles in order to get the most out of the defensive set he sees. McCarthy is passing on 57.8% of the downs. The Packers rank eleventh in yards (339.3), are 19th in giveaways (14) and 11th in points (23.7).

RECEIVERS

With former Packer Javon Walker (knee) out indefinitely, slot WR Brandon Stokley (5 feet 11 inches, 192 pounds) starts opposite Brandon Marshall (6-4½, 225). Stokley, who blew out his Achilles' tendon while with Indianapolis in December, is fully recovered and playing well. He's a nifty, precise route runner, is exceptional from the slot on third down and has a penchant for big plays. Marshall also is physical inside, runs extremely well after the catch and can sneak deep. Free agent Glenn Martinez (6-1½, 190), who played at Saginaw Valley State alongside Green Bay's Ruvell Martin, is a possession man. Venerable Rod Smith (hip) won't play for several more weeks. Daniel Graham (6-3, 257) and Tony Scheffler (6-5½, 250) make a superb pair of TEs. Graham, who left New England in March for $15 million guaranteed, is one of the elite blockers at the position and should be used more as a receiver. Scheffler, a second-round pick in '06 who played alongside Green Bay's Greg Jennings at Western Michigan, has 4.54-second speed in the 40-yard dash and is a major threat. However, he's iffy with a sprained ankle from Sunday night.


The starting WRs are Donald Driver (6 feet 0 inches 190 pounds) and Greg Jennings (5 feet 11 inches, 197 pounds). Jennings has been in and out of the starting lineup with nagging injuries, but looks to make his fifth start against the Broncos this week. He's a smart, precise route runner, is exceptional off the edge and has a penchant for making big plays. Driver is a sneaky veteran who gets by on his knowledge of the game and his report with Quarterback Brett Favre. First year player James Jones (6 feet 1 inch 207 pounds) is a physical receiver with superb hands who uses his size to create good separation. Koren Robinson (6 feet 1 inch 205 pounds) could be inserted into the lineup this week. Robinson, who was reinstated last week after serving a year long suspension, offers the Packers a deep threat and another veteran receiver. Rarely used third year man, Ruvell Martin (6-4 210 pounds) is a large target who could get his number called in the red zone this week, with Bubba Franks missing his first game of the season. Donald Lee (6-4 238 pounds), who is a pleasant surprise to the Packers organization this season, has 22 receptions for 270 yards and one touchdown this season. Ryan Krause (6-3 256 pounds), who was just brought up from the practice squad, will start in Bubba Franks absence. Krause, a fourth year player out of Nebraska Omaha, was drafted by the San Diego Chargers in the sixth round in 2004, but was unable to stick with the team. Unlike the primarily blocking tight end who he is filling in for, Bubba Franks, Krause is a receiver first. However, the Packers should not count on him as a starter for the remainder of the season.


OFFENSIVE LINE

This is Shanahan's biggest group ever. Two of the top three starters, LG Ben Hamilton (concussion) and C Tom Nalen (biceps), are on injured reserve. LT Matt Lepsis (6-5, 290), a starter since 1999, is a finesse player who is athletic enough to steer speed rushers but has problems against power. C Chris Myers (6-4½, 295), a sixth-round pick in '05 who moved from left guard when Nalen went down in Week 5, possesses adequate size and strength. He just can't move anybody off the ball. Both LG Chris Kuper (6-4½, 302), a fifth-round pick in '06 who debuted as a starter Sunday night, and RG Montrae Holland (6-1½, 322) are wide bodies. The Alaskan-born Kuper can be shaky in protection. Holland, a backup in New Orleans, can strike a blow in close quarters but isn't very agile. RT Erik Pears (6-7½, 305), a free agent in '05, made 10 starts at LT in '06. Fast and athletic, Pears doesn't pass block with good leverage.

Much like the Denver Broncos, Mike McCarthy's line is a small group that depends on athleticism rather than size. Starting right guard Junius Coston (6 feet 3 inches 313 pounds) will miss his second straight start this week. The man he replaced in week three, Jason Spitz (6-3 300 pounds), will regain his starting spot. Spitz has been shaky at best this season, but has all of the intangibles to start in this league. The Packers will once again start bookend Tackles Chad Clifton (6-5 320 pounds) and Mark Tauscher (6-3 315 pounds), who when healthy are among the best in the league. Returning to the lineup this week, after missing the Redskins game with a fractured eye socket, is Scott Wells (6-2 295 pounds). Up until his injury Wells was arguable the best performer on the offensive line. His knowledge of the offense and his gritty play will offer a much needed boost to the much maligned offensive front. The offensive line is rounded out with second year player Daryn Colledge (6-4 305 pounds). Colledge, like Spitz, was thrown into the starting lineup last year, and has yet to relinquish his spot. He is strong and athletic, but fails to show much success in McCarthy's zone blocking scheme and has been responsible for much of the failed running game. Beyond it's starting players, the Packers offensive line is very young. Second year man Tony Moll (6-5 303 pounds) is the most experienced among the backups.

QUARTERBACKS

Jay Cutler (6-3, 233), the 11th pick in '06, was handed the reins in Week 12 last year and is coming off his best outing of the season. Cutler, who scored 29 on the Wonderlic intelligence test, has a bazooka for an arm, improving touch and excellent toughness. Cutler had to take chances with his arm at Vanderbilt and still does, which leads to bad plays. He runs well (4.77), is dangerous on the move and doesn't let mistakes bother him. His passer rating is 84.2. Former Redskin Patrick Ramsey (6-2, 225) is No. 2.

For the past sixteen years, Brett Favre (6-2 222 pounds) has been the starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers, and in his seventeenth season he remains one of the top Quarterbacks in the league. Like the Denver Broncos starting quarterback, Jay Cutler, Favre has a cannon for an arm, excellent accuracy, and with 245 straight starts come Sunday Favre is the ironman of the NFL. This season the Green Bay Packers have won and lost on Favre's back, and with no running attack to mention it seems as if the same will be said for the remainder of the season. 2005 1st round Pick Aaron Rodgers (6-2 223 pounds) is the No. 2.


RUNNING BACKS

Travis Henry (5-9, 230), an underrated player, suffered bruised ribs against Pittsburgh and is iffy. He's like a cement mixer, a mini-bowling ball with thick thighs who can run over and around people. Speed and receiving ability are his limiting factors. Selvin Young (5-11, 207), a rookie free agent, enters on third down. He isn't fast but he has plenty of skill and can pass-block. So can FB Cecil Sapp (5-11, 229), a first-year starter. Swing man Mike Bell (6-0½, 225) rushed for 677 yards as a rookie free agent in '06.

Unlike any team in the league, the Green Bay Packers do not have a No. 1 RB. Rather they have been using a RB by committee that has been unsuccessful thus far in the season. Deshawn Wynn (5-10 232 pounds) leads the Packers RB stable with 202 yards and four touchdowns. Wynn offers a rare combination of size and speed, running a 4.55 in the forty-yard dash. Brandon Jackson (5-10 212), another rookie, is expected to return to the lineup this week, but has proven that he is unable to be carry the workload of a starting back in this league. Third year man Vernand Morency (5-10 212 pounds), is a shifty, tough veteran, who is a viable passing option out of the backfield. The RB stable is rounded out by Ryan Grant (6-1 224), a first year player out of Notre Dame. Grant has been getting the majority of the carries this week, as Deshawn Wynn (neck) and Vernand Morency (knee) have been unable to practice this week. Fullback Korey Hall (6-0 236 pounds), a converted Linebacker from Boise State, has been a pleasant surprise, and has proven that he is able to take on blockers, protect the quarterback, as well as being a viable option in the flat.



(I'll do the defense for tomorrow)
I don't understand how the Broncos are favored in this game. Our offensive line is less injured, we have more NFL quality receivers, and our quarterback is leagues better. I'd bet on the Packers to beat the spread this week.

Bretsky
10-24-2007, 10:55 PM
Broncos play tough at home; did you see them beat the Steelers ? It's a tough atmosphere to win in. I wouldn't be rolling money against them

esoxx
10-24-2007, 11:30 PM
Agreed. This will be a very tough game to win.

Lurker64
10-25-2007, 12:13 AM
Broncos play tough at home; did you see them beat the Steelers ? It's a tough atmosphere to win in. I wouldn't be rolling money against them

I also saw them get obliterated by the Chargers, nearly lose to the Raiders, and get beat up by the Jags at home. So this isn't the toughest Broncos team at home we've seen.

gbpackfan
10-25-2007, 12:47 AM
Broncos play tough at home; did you see them beat the Steelers ? It's a tough atmosphere to win in. I wouldn't be rolling money against them

I'm thinking they blew their load on Sunday night. :shock:

The Leaper
10-25-2007, 08:09 AM
Crowd might not be as tough as usual...they is likely to be a World Series game also going on in town.

fan4life
10-25-2007, 09:37 AM
Here is the head-to-head comparison of each team’s stats through 6 games:

GBs offense has averaged 23.7 pts/game whereas DEN defense has allowed 27.3 pts/game.

DEN offense has averaged 17.7 pts/game, whereas GBs defense has allowed 17.8 pts/game.

The stats are a little skewed because Denver was blown out by the Chargers. But if the numbers predict anything, it is that GB will score 21-24 pts while DEN will score 17 pts.

And that’s pretty much how I see it.

ahaha
10-25-2007, 10:20 AM
DEFENSE

SCHEME

Jim Bates, 61, coordinates the same Jimmy Johnson-type defense that he did in Green Bay. However, his front seven lacks size and can't handle the run without a safety in the box, which Bates is loathe to do. Bates would like to play more press-man coverage but doesn't have the personnel or rush to do it. Two of Bates' aides in Green Bay, Bob Slowik (DB) and Joe Baker (LB), also assist him in Denver.

Wasn't Slowik fired as our D-coordinator the year before Bates came? I don't remember him coming back the next year as our DB's coach.

retailguy
10-25-2007, 01:02 PM
DEFENSE

SCHEME

Jim Bates, 61, coordinates the same Jimmy Johnson-type defense that he did in Green Bay. However, his front seven lacks size and can't handle the run without a safety in the box, which Bates is loathe to do. Bates would like to play more press-man coverage but doesn't have the personnel or rush to do it. Two of Bates' aides in Green Bay, Bob Slowik (DB) and Joe Baker (LB), also assist him in Denver.

Wasn't Slowik fired as our D-coordinator the year before Bates came? I don't remember him coming back the next year as our DB's coach.

Yes, that's true. I caught that too. If I remember, he was offered the DB job and turned it down then went to that role in Denver.

LL2
10-25-2007, 03:19 PM
Crowd might not be as tough as usual...they is likely to be a World Series game also going on in town.

After the Rockies got embarassed last night the Broncos fans might be rowdy.

Freak Out
10-25-2007, 05:02 PM
Coors consumption Monday night is going to be at an all time rocky mountain high. :D

OS PA
10-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Here's an incredibly interesting statistic this week -

Packers rushing offense - 32nd in the league
Broncos rushing defense - 32nd in the league

Packer passing offense - 2nd in the league
Broncos passing defense - 2nd in the league

RIPackerFan
10-26-2007, 03:00 PM
Some people have mentioned that the Pass D of Denver was ranked high because everyone runs on them. I looked to another stat to see if that is the case.

QB Ratings of opposing QBs in games against Denver:
Losman (Buffalo): 66.7
McNown (Oakland): 44
Girard (Jax): 109.2
Manning (Indy): 130.6
Rivers (Chargers): 151.4
Rothlesberger (Pitt): 108.0

While statistically, their D may be ranked high, its tough for me to think that highly of them when the last 4 QBs they played all had QB ratings over 100. The first two were poor QBs (which is why they lost their staring position).

A QB ranking over 100 to me says the QB was able to do what they wanted to the pass D.

Guiness
10-26-2007, 03:36 PM
Looks like their pass D is just like our overall D was two years ago...everyone got ahead of us, and just ran the ball all day long, so we ended up with a top 10 (or close to it) rated defense.

Scott Campbell
10-26-2007, 03:39 PM
Some people have mentioned that the Pass D of Denver was ranked high because everyone runs on them. I looked to another stat to see if that is the case.

QB Ratings of opposing QBs in games against Denver:
Losman (Buffalo): 66.7
McNown (Oakland): 44
Girard (Jax): 109.2
Manning (Indy): 130.6
Rivers (Chargers): 151.4
Rothlesberger (Pitt): 108.0

While statistically, their D may be ranked high, its tough for me to think that highly of them when the last 4 QBs they played all had QB ratings over 100. The first two were poor QBs (which is why they lost their staring position).

A QB ranking over 100 to me says the QB was able to do what they wanted to the pass D.


Nice analysis RIP.

Freak Out
10-26-2007, 07:29 PM
Now this is funny...

Morency gets 31 touches? Bubba plays?

http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/simulation/nfl?id=3079029