Wynn out for year

[Charles Woodson]

Wynn shelved for season, rookie Grant to step in

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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Updated: October 30, 2007, 7:04 PM ET

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Rookie tailback DeShawn Wynn, who led the Green Bay Packers in rushing over the first seven games of the season, was placed on injured reserve Tuesday and will miss the rest of the year.

DeShawn Wynn
Wynn

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2007 Season Stats Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
50 203 4 9 73 0

Wynn suffered a shoulder injury in Monday night's overtime victory at Denver. Although the X-rays taken during the game were inconclusive, further tests on Tuesday indicated that the injury was serious enough to sideline Wynn for an extended period.

First-year tailback Ryan Grant, who rushed for 104 yards on 22 carries against the Broncos, will take over as the starting tailback. Grant will be the third different starting tailback this season for the Packers, whose running game statistically ranks last in the league.

Despite its 6-1 record, Green Bay is averaging only 71.3 rushing yards per game and 3.4 yards per carry.

The move with Wynn opened up a roster spot for Green Bay to activate wide receiver and return specialist Koren Robinson, who was reinstated by commissioner Roger Goodell on Oct. 18 following a one-year suspension for a repeat violation of the substance abuse policy.

The Packers had a roster exemption for Robinson that was about to expire.

A seventh-round draft pick, Wynn had carried 50 times for 203 yards and four touchdowns. The former University of Florida standout had appeared in seven games and started four. He suffered a neck injury early last week in a weightlifting incident, but recovered from that and started against the Broncos on Monday night.

Robinson is a seventh-year veteran who entered the NFL as the first-round choice of Seattle in the 2001 draft. In stints with the Seahawks (2001-04), Minnesota (2005) and Green Bay (2006), the former North Carolina State star has appeared in 75 games. He has 242 catches for 3,603 yards and 13 touchdowns.

In four games with the Packers in 2006, before his suspension, Robinson had seven catches for 89 yards. Robinson made the 2005 Pro Bowl squad as a kickoff return specialist with the Vikings, averaging 25.9 yards per return, with one touchdown.

Senior writer Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

[superfan]

Ugh. On the bright side, it doesn't appear Wynn will threaten #4's consecutive games streak...

[gbgary]

well hell. that's too bad.

[Green Bud Packer]

Wynn was averaging 4 yards a carry. Tough blow to an already depleted corp.

[b bulldog]

nOT REALLY, HE CAN'T STAY HEALTHY and can you imagine all the whining he'd have done when it starts getting cold :roll:

[Harlan Huckleby]

nOT REALLY, HE CAN'T STAY HEALTHY and can you imagine all the whining he'd have done when it starts getting cold :roll:

What quotes have you read where Wynn has whined?

[the_idle_threat]

WTF :(

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree with Bulldog, who gives a shit, he can't stay healthy he can't contribute, you gotta be able to count on a guy. I can't wait to find out how bad that injury actually was, or better yet that McCarthy finally got sick of dealing with this guy.

[woodbuck27]

I agree with Bulldog, who gives a shit, he can't stay healthy he can't contribute, you gotta be able to count on a guy. I can't wait to find out how bad that injury actually was, or better yet that McCarthy finally got sick of dealing with this guy.

His size and my spit and vinegar.

Jaysusss what a paper doll backfield TT has put in the stable.Toss all of em in the dumpster except Ryan Grant.

We have to plead for TT to draft at RB in the first round next April. No late April Fools joke and No more . . .

TT on any first round pick:

Well that GUYyyy was the Biggest and BEST GUYyyy on myyyy board.

Any normal Packer fan's respose:

Hey TT paaleassse check out any Pasckerrats board, before you move your ass anywhere towords that podium to NOD the pick.

In 2004 - Aaron Rodgers and then what is left to shock me after another DT of lead . . . a DT 'Oh NO!

That's really suckin'. So go somewhere positive and back suckin' Justin Harrell.

Oh I see .

[SkinBasket]

Just can't let it rest for a week (after another win), can you woodsie?

Maybe TT injured Wynn himself in a ploy directly tied to the plot to make Favre retire.

[Bretsky]

I agree with Bulldog, who gives a shit, he can't stay healthy he can't contribute, you gotta be able to count on a guy. I can't wait to find out how bad that injury actually was, or better yet that McCarthy finally got sick of dealing with this guy.

Exactly

[Patler]

Regardless of what MM and TT have said the last two days, I think Wynn has played his last regular season game for Green Bay. I do not think he will be on the roster next season.

They sure gave up on him and this latest injury awful fast. They continue to carry a cornerback with a broken foot, a couple halfbacks who practice very little and very irregularly, an over-abundance of DTs including one who has been inactive most of the time and is injured and out for at least several weeks, a DE who has been injured all season and has yet to be active for game, a WR whose claim to fame is hurdling into the wedge on kick coverage, etc.

A "stinger" usually requires a while to see how significant it will be, yet not even 24 hours after the game they put their starting running back and leading rusher on IR. No one has said much about the injury, other than it "could be" worse than what Moll had. Yet Moll seemed to be "week to week" forever, then "day to day" until he was back.

Do they really know that Wynn will be out 6 weeks or more? There are 9 games left and playoffs, yet they write this guy off in less than 24 hours after the injury when guys like Blackmon, Bodiford, Harrell and others who are role players at best also were IR candidates. I could be wrong, but I think they gave up on him.

Just my impression.

[Cheesehead Craig]

My impression of Wynn is that... crap, I just sprained my wrist typing this.

[Scott Campbell]

Hey TT paaleassse check out any Pasckerrats board, before you move your ass anywhere towords that podium to NOD the pick.



If he starts checking with us mororns before making draft picks, I'll be right with you on the I HATE TED bandwagon.

:lol:

[Scott Campbell]

Regardless of what MM and TT have said the last two days, I think Wynn has played his last regular season game for Green Bay. I do not think he will be on the roster next season.


I think you may be right. He made the roster in part because he couldn't stay healthy enough in the preseason for the staff to adequately evaluate him. I think he's just a guy, and an injury prone one at that.

[The Leaper]

Whoever said that the equipment guy was changing Wynn's number to #89 was spot on. Wynn is to RBs what Ferguson is to WRs. In terms of physical talent, he looks good. Occasionally, he'll do something that makes you think he can play in this league.

In reality, the player doesn't have the heart or the durability to be a factor at the pro level. I think Green Bay will be happy to give Wynn one more chance in camp next year, but I doubt he sticks long-term.

[The Leaper]

boo lame double post.

HOORAY BEER!!!

[cpk1994]

Just can't let it rest for a week (after another win), can you woodsie?

Maybe TT injured Wynn himself in a ploy directly tied to the plot to make Favre retire.No, he can't. SInce TT has been shving his foot down Woodys throat this year he is desperate to try and find anything to bash TT with. And a message for Woody: 6-1 without your boy Moss.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Regardless of what MM and TT have said the last two days, I think Wynn has played his last regular season game for Green Bay. I do not think he will be on the roster next season.

When the PAckers are done with a player they don't put them on IR, they do an injury settlement and say, "thank you for your service."

The only evidence that people have given that Wynn is a bad egg are quotes from college. <snore> I have a news flash for you: people often change a lot between the ages of 18 and 25. It is well worth a 7th round pick to see what this talented guy can do, you just have to keep an open mind and hope for the best. But a lot of people in this forum aren't willing to do that, its more fun to label somebody a jerk, and spin everything that direction so you feel justified in your set, smug position.

IT would be fascinating to interview Edgar Bennett under the bright lights. I have a hunch that Bennett thinks he can keep this guy on track. They wouldn't have made him #1 if they didn't have some confidence in him. GRant and Jackson were in the wings, 100% healthy, 100% familar with the plays.

I will be very happy to see what Bennett can do working with Wynn next year.

[Carolina_Packer]

Regardless of what MM and TT have said the last two days, I think Wynn has played his last regular season game for Green Bay. I do not think he will be on the roster next season.

When the PAckers are done with a player they don't put them on IR, they do an injury settlement and say, "thank you for your service."

The only evidence that people have given that Wynn is a bad egg are quotes from college. <snore> I have a news flash for you: people often change a lot between the ages of 18 and 25. It is well worth a 7th round pick to see what this talented guy can do, you just have to keep an open mind and hope for the best. But a lot of people in this forum aren't willing to do that, its more fun to label somebody a jerk, and spin everything that direction so you feel justified in your set, smug position.

IT would be fascinating to interview Edgar Bennett under the bright lights. I have a hunch that Bennett thinks he can keep this guy on track. They wouldn't have made him #1 if they didn't have some confidence in him. GRant and Jackson were in the wings, 100% healthy, 100% familar with the plays.

I will be very happy to see what Bennett can do working with Wynn next year.

I'm sure it's frustrating for everyone. The coaching staff hoping that Wynn's natural talent could come to the forefront and that he could reach his potential. At some point the coaching staff just needs a consistent back, and one who is not dealing with nagging injuries. It must be frustrating for Wynn when this is all you know and you have a chance right in front of you and it falls apart. I'm sure he didn't want injuries, but there they were. It's frustrating for the fans because you hope a guy isn't faking his injuries and will do anything he can to get on the field and show toughness. Perhaps it's as simple as his shoulder really is wonky and it's never been great and he's been trying to get around it and finally could not.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ferguson may have been fragile, but he broke his leg a couple of times, tore up his knee, got his head taken off.... Real injuries, with this guy Wynn, I am not real sure how tough he is, wait, I know how tough he is, he is a pussy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I know how tough he is, he is a pussy.

How do you know? BRandon Jackson was down for a couple weeks recently, didn't see any dangling limbs. Is Jackson a pussy? Grant started the season gimpy - is he a pussy?

What do you know about Wynn's shoulder injury?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Another losing argument for Harlan. Do me a favor: go back and list all of the various ailments that Wynn has had since joining the Packers. You want others to list them. Go do the research yourself.

It's pretty obvious there is a pattern here--especially after "being soft" was a criticism of him coming out of a college. A couple of injuries can be expected, but this guy IS soft.

[Harlan Huckleby]

he might be fragile. the other injury he had in regular season was cramps.

I thought that might be due to poor conditioning, but patler insists it was dehydration.

I can believe he needs better conditioning.

[Patler]

Regardless of what MM and TT have said the last two days, I think Wynn has played his last regular season game for Green Bay. I do not think he will be on the roster next season.

When the PAckers are done with a player they don't put them on IR, they do an injury settlement and say, "thank you for your service."

The only evidence that people have given that Wynn is a bad egg are quotes from college. <snore> I have a news flash for you: people often change a lot between the ages of 18 and 25. It is well worth a 7th round pick to see what this talented guy can do, you just have to keep an open mind and hope for the best. But a lot of people in this forum aren't willing to do that, its more fun to label somebody a jerk, and spin everything that direction so you feel justified in your set, smug position.

IT would be fascinating to interview Edgar Bennett under the bright lights. I have a hunch that Bennett thinks he can keep this guy on track. They wouldn't have made him #1 if they didn't have some confidence in him. GRant and Jackson were in the wings, 100% healthy, 100% familar with the plays.

I will be very happy to see what Bennett can do working with Wynn next year.

You are wrong about IR versus injury settlements. The most typical inseason scenarios are that the player goes on IR and the injury settlement is negotiated while he is on IR, or they simply keep him to the end of the season and then release him if they have no continuing interest. I don't expect either to happen. I expect he will be brought back to camp next year, but at the first hint of injury in the off season or training camp he will be released. I think he is out of chances and will not be on the roster next season.

Actually, if you read my posts, I have said I like Wynn a bit. He intrigues me. I won't mind a bit if they give him another shot. He might be worth it. However, in looking at how quickly they shoved him onto IR, with no definitive statement about what is wrong with him, it seemed very peculiar to me.

Someone had to go to make room for Robinson, but why their leading rusher if they had so much confidence in him as you suggest? Why not release Bodiford instead? (a WR for a WR). Why not Blackmon to IR with the broken foot that could easily keep him out the rest of the season? Why not Harrell to IR? He will be out a few more weeks and plays an overstocked position anyway. Why not Montgomery who has contributed nothing? Why not Muir who is way, way down the pecking order at DT? Why their leading rusher who "rose to the top of the heap" as you said???

Usually with stingers and other nerve injuries they talk about having to wait a few days for the nerve to "cool down" before being able to assess it. Moll was on the verge of coming back for a month before he did. Do they really know Wynn will be out for weeks and weeks, or did they get tired of waiting for him to stay healthy?

I don't dislike the guy. I've not called him a name. I've not criticized him unfairly. I've not even suggested he is unwilling to play with injuries. I do think the teams actions following his latest injury were a bit sudden and do not bode well for future opportunities for him.

[Patler]

the other injury he had in regular season was cramps.

I thought that might be due to poor conditioning, but patler insists it was dehydration.


I was simply relaying what the Packer medical staff said. I guess I should defer to your educated opinion over theirs, huh? :roll:

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was simply relaying what the Packer medical staff said. I guess I should defer to your educated opinion over theirs, huh? :roll:

The med staff would have recommended more fluids for ANYBODY that has a cramping problem. That is not a statement certifying that Wynn's conditioning is fine, or a diagnosis of what caused the cramping. This is unknowable.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You are wrong about IR versus injury settlements.

I can't remember their names because they are flotsam and jetsom types, but the Packers have often just paid-off players with no future.


I expect he will be brought back to camp next year

:bclap: Glad to see you come to your senses.

[Patler]

I was simply relaying what the Packer medical staff said. I guess I should defer to your educated opinion over theirs, huh? :roll:

The med staff would have recommended more fluids for ANYBODY that has a cramping problem. That is not a statement certifying that Wynn's conditioning is fine, or a diagnosis of what caused the cramping. This is unknowable.

Actually, no, the article DID attribute his cramps to dehydration. It said the cause was dehydration and the trainers believed it could be remedied by Wynn hydrating differently, with different fluids than the team generally. They even gave him his own bottles and fluids that would be on the field during practices and games just for him. They said the staff would monitor him specifically in hydration.

[Patler]

You are wrong about IR versus injury settlements.

I can't remember their names because they are flotsam and jetsom types, but the Packers have often just paid-off players with no future.


I expect he will be brought back to camp next year

:bclap: Glad to see you come to your senses.

I never felt differently. However, I still don't think he will be on the roster next year. He will be camp fodder, just in case he turns it around, but camp fodder never the less.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Actually, no, the article DID attribute his cramps to dehydration.

I read the articles. You can spin it as a diagnosis if you wish.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He will be camp fodder, just in case he turns it around, but camp fodder never the less.

maybe. maybe not. HE was the best runner on the roster this year. He looks like a Davenport caliber player to me, if he does things right.


keep on the sunny side of life, Patler!

[Patler]

I was simply relaying what the Packer medical staff said. I guess I should defer to your educated opinion over theirs, huh? :roll:

The med staff would have recommended more fluids for ANYBODY that has a cramping problem. That is not a statement certifying that Wynn's conditioning is fine, or a diagnosis of what caused the cramping. This is unknowable.

All I said was the staff indicated the cramps were caused by dehydration, and they felt they could control it knowing what the problem was.

What support do you have for your analysis of the cause? Anything more credible than the Packer medical staff?

[Patler]

Actually, no, the article DID attribute his cramps to dehydration.

I read the articles. You can spin it as a diagnosis if you wish.

I believe the spin is coming from you, I simply conveyed their statements.

[Patler]

Not my words, the medias:


[IMG ]As the Green Bay Packers take on the Washington Redskins today, watch as running back DeShawn Wynn tries to overcome his battle with dehydration. Wynn will have a special bottle on sidelines that will aid him in replenishing fluids and electrolytes in hopes that he won't have to exit the game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Patler, the medical staff can not know that his cramping was due to dehyrdation. The media report sounds like a hard diagnosis, but it is not. Dehydration in the opening minutes of a game is odd to say the least. I wonder if his conditioning played a role.


McCarthy's quotes on Wynn today:

"Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game. I think you look at DeShawn Wynn, and I'm very pleased for what he's accomplished in the short time he's been here,'' McCarthy said. "He's a seventh-round pick; he had to fight like hell at the end of training camp (to make the team). Heck, he was our starting running back at one point.

"It's unfortunate that he has to go down on IR, but we're excited about DeShawn's future here. Because he has all the ability. He can be as good as he wants to be.''

[Patler]

McCarthy's quotes on Wynn today:

"Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game. I think you look at DeShawn Wynn, and I'm very pleased for what he's accomplished in the short time he's been here,'' McCarthy said. "He's a seventh-round pick; he had to fight like hell at the end of training camp (to make the team). Heck, he was our starting running back at one point.

"It's unfortunate that he has to go down on IR, but we're excited about DeShawn's future here. Because he has all the ability. He can be as good as he wants to be.''

Yup. I acknowledged that. TT said much the same, that he is counting on Wynn for next year. I still find it very peculiar that he was IR'ed so quickly.

[Patler]

Patler, the medical staff can not know that his cramping was due to dehyrdation.

Why not?

[swede]

Patler, the medical staff can not know that his cramping was due to dehyrdation.

Why not?

Some things are knowable, such as the effect of humans on the CO2 balance of our planet, and some things are unknowable, such as whether or not an athlete's cramping can be medically attributed to dehydration.

Try to keep up, Patler.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Patler, the medical staff can not know that his cramping was due to dehyrdation.

Why not?

Because there are several possible causes of cramping. They can't with certainty pinpoint what happened. Overexertion, low salts, ... Nobody knows what happened, they can just take precautions in the future, like preventing dehydration,.

[Harlan Huckleby]

McCarthy's quotes on Wynn today:

"Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game. I think you look at DeShawn Wynn, and I'm very pleased for what he's accomplished in the short time he's been here,'' McCarthy said. "He's a seventh-round pick; he had to fight like hell at the end of training camp (to make the team). Heck, he was our starting running back at one point.

"It's unfortunate that he has to go down on IR, but we're excited about DeShawn's future here. Because he has all the ability. He can be as good as he wants to be.''

Yup. I acknowledged that. TT said much the same, that he is counting on Wynn for next year. I still find it very peculiar that he was IR'ed so quickly.

You say you acknowledge his value to the team. But earliar you said the "peculiar" nature of the IR move must mean that Wynn has little value to the team, he's camp fodder.

White man speak with forked tongue.

Here's another theory to chew on: Maybe Wynn was moved to IR because his injury is relatively serious.

[Patler]

Patler, the medical staff can not know that his cramping was due to dehyrdation.

Why not?

Because there are several possible causes of cramping. They can't with certainty pinpoint what happened. Overexertion, low salts, ... Nobody knows what happened, they can just take precautions in the future, like preventing dehydration,.

Well now you just state the obvious. Very little can ever be known with absolute certainty. However, when the medical staff says they think they know the cause and should be able to prevent it in the future, that's about as clear as it will ever get.

Keep clinging to that thread Harlan, even though you are blowing in the wind!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Keep clinging to that thread Harlan, even though you are blowing in the wind!

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series.

[Patler]

You say you acknowledge his value to the team. But earliar you said the "peculiar" nature of the IR move must mean that Wynn has little value to the team, he's camp fodder.

White man speak with forked tongue.

Here's another theory to chew on: Maybe Wynn was moved to IR because his injury is relatively serious.

Nope. I acknowledged what TT and MM said for the press, not his value. I even stated that in spite of what they said, I doubted that Wynn would be on the roster next season

[MJZiggy]

Keep clinging to that thread Harlan, even though you are blowing in the wind!

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series.

Maybe not hot in Alaska, but in Week 5, Green Bay it was hot. I was dehydrated and I was just in the stands.

[Harlan Huckleby]

alchohol causes dehydration.

were you dehydrated the first series of the game?

[MJZiggy]

No, but I would have been if I were trying to run against a pro football d-line. And quit trying to change the subject.

[Patler]

Keep clinging to that thread Harlan, even though you are blowing in the wind!

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series.

Could be, but even McCarthy said they noticed he was perspiring profusely BEFORE the game, in warm-ups.

Interestingly, the Gainesville Florida newspaper referred to it as his CHRONIC dehydration problem, when they ran a story about him and the Packers. Maybe the medical staff was aware of past problems????

[Harlan Huckleby]

No, but I would have been if I were trying to run against a pro football d-line. And quit trying to change the subject.

your drinking problem is not relevent to Deshawn Wynn's cramps, true. Well, indirectly - your bleary-eyed posts here.

[MJZiggy]

No, but I would have been if I were trying to run against a pro football d-line. And quit trying to change the subject.

your drinking problem is not relevent to Deshawn Wynn's cramps, true. Well, indirectly - your bleary-eyed posts here.

The dude who didn't show up has no point of reference as to my physical conditioning or my alcohol habits...

[RashanGary]

He's a guy who could have a big impact on the team next year if he works hard. I agree with Harlan that Wynn has a chance and everyone writing him off is way too early. He did a good job while he played. You can compare him to Ferg, but Wynn acctually played well. Ferg never played well as a rookie, 2nd year or vet.

I like Wynn a lot. I still think he's the best running back on the roster. And in regard to Patlers assertion taht they prematurely threw him on IR because they think he sucks, MM said he had a stinger that was worse than Molls and Molls took months to recover from. They thought it was going to take a long time for him to come back. The season is already half over. They put him on IR because they don't think he'll be back soon if you believe what MM says over your own opinions.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wynn has his moments. He's not a complete stiff, but I'm not partial to prodding, big backs who like to dance in the backfield.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series. Could be, but

this argument started because you ruled-out poor conditioning as a factor.

What JH said.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He's a guy who could have a big impact on the team next year if he works hard. I agree with Harlan that Wynn has a chance and everyone writing him off is way too early. He did a good job while he played. You can compare him to Ferg, but Wynn acctually played well. Ferg never played well as a rookie, 2nd year or vet.

I like Wynn a lot. I still think he's the best running back on the roster. And in regard to Patlers assertion taht they prematurely threw him on IR because they think he sucks, MM said he had a stinger that was worse than Molls and Molls took months to recover from. They thought it was going to take a long time for him to come back. The season is already half over. They put him on IR because they don't think he'll be back soon if you believe what MM says over your own opinions.

Thompson and McCarthy rarely criticize a player--even when the writing is on the wall for that player. My guess (and that's all it is) is that they see some talent in the dude, but believe his issues are mostly mental. They hope that he overcomes this and provides depth next year. Why tear him down if they have some hope that he'll do overcome it? My guess is that he won't fulfill his potential--because he's soft (that's for Harlan).

[RashanGary]

Maybe his body can't hold up, but it's way too soon to make those assumptions. He had a couple injuries. If he comes back next year and the same happens, it's time to start writing him off. I see a good runner on a team that doesn't have any good runners. I think it's way early to write him off.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He had more than a couple. I bet he's had at least 5 (and probably more) things that have kept him out of practice or caused him to leave a game. I can understand guys getting injured (see Greg Jennings), but his were on a much grander scale. Also, judging by last year, Jennings is a type of guy that wants to fight through the injury and be there for his team.

[Bretsky]

I was simply relaying what the Packer medical staff said. I guess I should defer to your educated opinion over theirs, huh? :roll:

The med staff would have recommended more fluids for ANYBODY that has a cramping problem. That is not a statement certifying that Wynn's conditioning is fine, or a diagnosis of what caused the cramping. This is unknowable.

Actually, no, the article DID attribute his cramps to dehydration. It said the cause was dehydration and the trainers believed it could be remedied by Wynn hydrating differently, with different fluids than the team generally. They even gave him his own bottles and fluids that would be on the field during practices and games just for him. They said the staff would monitor him specifically in hydration.

KNOCK THIS LOGIC CRAP OFF :!: :!:

[Bretsky]

Keep clinging to that thread Harlan, even though you are blowing in the wind!

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series.

Didn't this guy play in Florida all last year ? Wait, maybe not as much due to his un wynning issues. But who cares about the past; that's not relevant...well...only in the eyes of those not associated with the NFL Draft or Player Evaluation....so did you ever come up with the list HW requested or is that not relevant either ?

And Patler, stop trying to make sense; futile when it comes to this topic it seems.

[Bretsky]

He's a guy who could have a big impact on the team next year if he works hard. I agree with Harlan that Wynn has a chance and everyone writing him off is way too early. He did a good job while he played. You can compare him to Ferg, but Wynn acctually played well. Ferg never played well as a rookie, 2nd year or vet.

I like Wynn a lot. I still think he's the best running back on the roster. And in regard to Patlers assertion taht they prematurely threw him on IR because they think he sucks, MM said he had a stinger that was worse than Molls and Molls took months to recover from. They thought it was going to take a long time for him to come back. The season is already half over. They put him on IR because they don't think he'll be back soon if you believe what MM says over your own opinions.

Thompson and McCarthy rarely criticize a player--even when the writing is on the wall for that player. My guess (and that's all it is) is that they see some talent in the dude, but believe his issues are mostly mental. They hope that he overcomes this and provides depth next year. Why tear him down if they have some hope that he'll do overcome it? My guess is that he won't fulfill his potential--because he's soft (that's for Harlan).

:bclap:

[Patler]

And in regard to Patlers assertion taht they prematurely threw him on IR because they think he sucks, MM said he had a stinger that was worse than Molls and Molls took months to recover from. They thought it was going to take a long time for him to come back. The season is already half over. They put him on IR because they don't think he'll be back soon if you believe what MM says over your own opinions.

When did I say they think he sucks? I believe I said they may have gotten tired of waiting for him. I also said I kind of like him, and wouldn't be at all upset if they do bring him back.

You are reading way too much into my back and forth with Harlan. Having some experience with stingers, I can tell you my experience was they normally wait a couple days for the nerve to settle down before any prognosis. Moll took a long time, but they also thought he was on the verge of returning for weeks. They kept saying "next week" and "day to day" for weeks, which suggest to me that it could have been a 2-3 week thing for him, but ended up to be 5 or 6 for whatever reason. If it was for Moll, why not Wynn? That's why I said they "gave up" awful fast. If they know it is real bad, they aren't saying to much with certainty. A lot of "coulds" and "mights" from what I have seen

All I am saying is that the whole thing with him seems odd to me. Usually when a guy goes on IR they have much more definitive statements about the injury and prognosis than they gave us so far. The rest was all just my opinion.

I'm just surprised they didn't wait for a while to see how he responds, kind of like they are with Blackmon. They could have let Bodiford go to make room for Robinson and bought some time for Wynn to heal. With Robinson on board, all Bodiford is is a very small wedge buster.

[Patler]

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series. Could be, but

this argument started because you ruled-out poor conditioning as a factor.

What JH said.

Well we can go back and forth forever, but I think it started because you ruled out dehydration, and in a previous thread questioned whether the staff said what they in fact said.

I'm done! :lol:

[Bretsky]

Maybe his body can't hold up, but it's way too soon to make those assumptions. He had a couple injuries. If he comes back next year and the same happens, it's time to start writing him off. I see a good runner on a team that doesn't have any good runners. I think it's way early to write him off.

I'm not sure anybody is writing him off, although to me Ryan Grant has shown just as much as Wynn and I like his long term prospects much better.

I think many just feel the guys character, toughness...etc.....mentality..will not allow for consistency one can rely on

[Maxie the Taxi]

Re: DeShawn Wynn

I think we can all agree that Wynn is a bit of a mystery. He has been blessed with obvious talent but he has not been able to be a consistent performer for the Packers -- for one reason or another.

McCarthy said of Wynn: "He can be as good as he wants to be."

I think McCarthy's comment is telling. It's the kind of comment that would never be made in reference to a naturally talented player like, say, Brett Favre or a semi-talented over-achiever like, say, Shaun Bodiford. Talent will get a person only so far, whether the venue is an NFL football field or a Broadway stage or a Wall Street office. Some people who are blessed with natural ability never succeed because they are not blessed with an unquenchable thirst to be all they can be and more.

We all know the type of driven person I'm talking about. He's the guy who practices the hardest, who will never quit fighting no matter the odds, who will sacrifice his relationships, his family and his friends to achieve his goal in life. He's the superstar who even at 38 is driven to win and be the best there is. He's the smallish receiver who will sacrifice his body to break up the wedge on special teams just to earn a spot on the roster.

Does Wynn have the drive that it takes to succeed in the NFL regardless of his talent?

Here's an article I found describing Wynn in college that may shed some light on Wynn the Packers' mystery-man.


Wynn all about silent treatment

By ANDREW ABRAMSON
Alligator Staff Writer
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What's the difference between a Heisman candidate and a third-string running back?

Just ask UF's DeShawn Wynn, one of college football's most mysterious figures.

The problem is, he won't give you an explanation. He won't even try.

The player who led the Gators with seven rushing touchdowns in 2003 hasn't spoken to the media in a year. Now, as the talented-but-troubled Wynn battles for UF's coveted tailback job -- and could possibly drop as low as third-string -- his story grows stranger.

When Wynn compiled gaudy statistics in 2003, he had no problem chatting with reporters. Last year, during his training camp battle with Ciatrick Fason, Wynn still found time to speak with the media.

But ever since Fason became No. 1 last year, Wynn fell silent.

"Since I first got here, I've never seen [Wynn] talk to one media person," said junior tailback Skyler Thornton, also in the mix for the starting job. "I guess it's how he likes to do things. It's his decision, that's DeShawn."

After his breakout debut, Wynn suffered through a miserable sophomore slump. Former coach Ron Zook - who rarely criticized players publicly - accused Wynn of harboring a negative work ethic.

Then Wynn suffered a groin injury, removing him from the picture.

This spring, the work ethic issues resurfaced. While many of Zook's troubled players reformed under Urban Meyer, Wynn was still garnering criticism.

Early in training camp, rumors swirled that Wynn could be suspended for the season opener for violating team policy. Meyer has never addressed the issue.

"I don't know what goes on in DeShawn's mind to make him do what he does, but DeShawn is just going to be DeShawn Wynn," said freshman Markus Manson, the third tailback vying for the starting spot. "Whenever he's around me, he's a cool guy, and he's like a big brother to me. I look up to him in a lot of situations.

"I don't know what triggers DeShawn to do [certain things], but only God knows and DeShawn knows."

Lately, Meyer has praised Wynn but he hasn't gone as far as to appoint him the top guy.

Still, no one denies the talent and potential Wynn brings to the Gators.

That's what makes his case so puzzling.

"DeShawn brings power, speed and anything you ask, DeShawn will bring it," Manson said. "He's just real good. He's the most focused and the most experienced out of all of us, so we expect him to do big things."

While Manson calls Wynn focused, UF running back coach Stan Drayton sees it a different way.

According to Drayton, Wynn is moving in the right direction, but is still searching for the will to become a star player.

"DeShawn has the talent to be one of the best backs in this country, no question," Drayton said. "The thing that DeShawn needs to work on is looking himself in the mirror and saying, 'Hey, I want to be that guy.'

"There's nothing wrong - it's a conditioning of the mindset. I don't know if he has the mindset of a Heisman candidate right now. He definitely has the ability."

[Bretsky]

good find Maxie; exactly how I picture Wynn

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well we can go back and forth forever, but I think it started because you ruled out dehydration

Hardly. How could anybody know such a thing? You incorrectly stated that conditioning could not be a factor, and I called you on it. I am glad that you have now conceded that there is no definitive answer.

Just as I try and stay positive with DeShawn Wynn, I also hope and expect you will emerge from this argument duly chastened, and move to be an even better person.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Didn't this guy play in Florida all last year ? Wait, maybe not as much due to his un wynning issues. But who cares about the past; that's not relevant.

Wynn is a rehabilitation project, for sure. You have chosen to damn him based upon his past. I choose to give the guy a clean slate and just judge him on how he does in the pros.

Neither approach is right or wrong, just a philosophical difference.

[Bretsky]

Didn't this guy play in Florida all last year ? Wait, maybe not as much due to his un wynning issues. But who cares about the past; that's not relevant.

Wynn is a rehabilitation project, for sure. You have chosen to damn him based upon his past. I choose to give the guy a clean slate and just judge him on how he does in the pros.

Neither approach is right or wrong, just a philosophical difference.


I have not damned anybody; I just don't have a lot of faith in consistency from him

I chose to consider his past when evaluating; you chose to ignore it

Like you correctly stated neither is right or wrong

[Tarlam!]

alchohol causes dehydration.

were you dehydrated the first series of the game?

Is that a trick question? 8-) 8-) 8-)

Ziggy and I were dehydrated, so were Mad and Partial sitting two rows behind us...

It was a damned hot day! I had to peel my brand new #4 Away Jersey off, because my sweat hardened like glue after the night air finally cooled off.

[Bretsky]

Another classic thread

In reality when Wynn went down it turned out to be a very good thing; Grant can carry the load