Best Packers by position : 1962-2005

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1962-2005 :

Top QB's :

1 Brett Favre
2 Bart Starr
3 Lynn Dickey
4 Zeke Bratkowski
5 Don Majkowski

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1962-2005 :

Top Wide Receivers :

1 James Lofton
2 Sterling Sharpe
3 Carroll Dale
4 Antonio Freeman
5 Boyd Dowler
6 Max McGee (based on Super Bowl Highlight plays)
7 Donald Driver
8 Robert Brooks
9 Javon Walker
10 John Jefferson
11 Andre Rison (based on Super Bowl Highlight plays)
12 Bill Schroeder Walter Stanley, Phil Epps, Steve Odom, Ken Payne, Corey Bradford, Bob Long, Don Beebe

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1962-2005 :

Top Tight Ends :

1 Keith Jackson
2 Jackie Harris
3 Paul Coffman
4 Marv Fleming
5 Mark Chmura
6 Bubba Franks
7 Ron Kramer
8 Rich McGeorge
9 Ed West

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1962-2005 :

Top RB's :

1 Jim Taylor
2 Ahman Green
3 Paul Hornung
4 John Brockington
5 Dorsey Levens
6 Donny Anderson
7 MacArthur Lane
8 Edgar Bennett
9 Eddie Lee Ivery
10 Gerry Ellis
11 Dave Hampton
12 Chuck Mercein

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1962-2005 :

Top Offensive Tackles :

1 Forrest Gregg
2 Ken Ruettgers
3 Chad Clifton
4 Mark Tauscher
5 Bob Skoronski
6 Earl Dotson
7 Ross Verba
8 Dick Himes
9 Bill Hayhoe
10 Mark Koncar
11 Greg Koch

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from 1962 - 2005 :

Top Guards :

1 Gale Gillingham
2 Mike Wahle
3 Jerry Kramer
4 Fuzzy Thurston
5 Ron Hallstrom
6 Bill Lueck
7 Marco Rivera
8 Aaron Taylor
9 Adam Timmerman
10 Rich Moran

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From 1962-2005 :

Best Centers :

1 Jim Ringo
2 Ken Bowman
3 Frank Winters
4 Bill Curry
5 Mike Flanagan
6 Larry McCarren
7 Mark Cannon
8 James Campen

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Top Defensive Ends :

1 Reggie White
2 Willie Davis
3 Tim Harris
4 Ezra Johnson
5 Mike Butler
6 Sean Jones
7 Vonnie Holliday
8 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
9 Alphonso Carreker
10 Lionel Aldridge
11 Aaron Kampman
12 Robert Brown
13 Alden Roche
14 Clarence Williams
15 Keith McKenzie

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1962-2005 :

Top LB's :

1 Ray Nitschke
2 Ted Hendricks
3 Dave Robinson
4 Fred Carr
5 John Anderson
6 Lee Roy Caffey
7 Wayne Simmons
8 Johnny Holland
9 Tony Bennett
10 Bryce Paup
11 Brian Williams
11 Nick Barnett
12 Jim Carter
13 George Cumby
14 George Koonce
15 Brian Noble
16 Mike Douglass
17 Dan Currie
18 Rich Wingo

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From 1962 - 2005 :

Top Defensive Tackles :

1 Bob Brown (his 72 season he was unstopable)
2 Grady Jackson (he made the GB defense respectable in 03, 04, 05)
3 Henry Jordan
4 Santana Dotson
5 Gilbert Brown
6 Dave Hanner
7 Mike McCoy (you might ask, why not Carl Barzilauskas?)
8 John Jurkovic
9 Dave Roller (along with Jurkovic, a fan favorite)

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From 1962-2005 :

Top Defensive Backs :

1 Herb Adderley
2 LeRoy Butler
3 Willie Wood
4 Willie Buchanan
5 Darren Sharper
6 Ken Ellis
7 Tim Lewis
8 Bob Jeter
9 Doug Evans
10 Mike McKenzie
11 Tyrone Williams
12 Mark Lee
13 Johnnie Gray
14 Craig Newsome
15 Al Harris
16 Al Matthews
17 Chuck Cecil
18 Jim Hill
19 Steve Luke
20 Eugene Robinson
21 Doug Hart
22 Dave Brown
Mark Murphy, Tom Flynn

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1962 - 2005 :

Top Kickers :

1 Ryan Longwell
2 Chris Jacke
3 Jan Stenerud
4 Paul Hornung
5 Chester Marcol
6 Don Chandler
7 Al Del Greco

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1962-2005 :

Top Kick Returners :

1 Travis Williams
2 Desmond Howard
3 Allan Rossum

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1962-2005 :

Top Punters :

1 Craig Hentrich
2 Ron Widby
3 David Beverly
4 Josh Bidwell
5 Sean Landeta
6 Ray Stachowicz
7 Bucky Scribner

[Bretsky]

1962-2005 :

Top Wide Receivers :

1 James Lofton
2 Sterling Sharpe
3 Carroll Dale
4 Antonio Freeman
5 Boyd Dowler
6 Max McGee (based on Super Bowl Highlight plays)
7 Donald Driver
8 Robert Brooks
9 Javon Walker
10 John Jefferson
11 Andre Rison (based on Super Bowl Highlight plays)
12 Bill Schroeder Walter Stanley, Phil Epps, Steve Odom, Ken Payne, Corey Bradford, Bob Long, Don Beebe


With good healthy I wonder if Sharpe was better than Lofton.

Also I'd rate a healthy Brooks better than Driver, although they are almost the same player.

Some of the players rated lower are a lot more talented than Antonio Freeman IMO. But Freeman did perform.

[Bretsky]

1962-2005 :

Top LB's :

1 Ray Nitschke
2 Ted Hendricks
3 Dave Robinson
4 Fred Carr
5 John Anderson
6 Lee Roy Caffey
7 Wayne Simmons
8 Johnny Holland
9 Tony Bennett
10 Bryce Paup
11 Brian Williams
11 Nick Barnett
12 Jim Carter
13 George Cumby
14 George Koonce
15 Brian Noble
16 Mike Douglass
17 Dan Currie
18 Rich Wingo


Tim Harris should be in there somewhere

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Hi Bretsky,

Tim Harris was a DE/LB. I included him with the DE's. He was less of a LB than Bryce Paup who was a similar player. Tony Bennett was in the same mold. Sort of a Lawrence Taylor era hybrid primarily pass rushing OLB.

I think San Fran actually played him at DE.

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Regarding Lofton/Sharpe. Sharpe was cagier and could get open at will, even though he was double teamed. The game winning play in the Packers first playoff game in the Holmgren era was a classic Sharpe play, lulling a defender to sleep on a Favre scramble, and then racing for the endzone. Of course, who but Favre could have made that throw, thrown 50 yards into the right corner of the endzone from the left side hashmark.

Sharpe never averaged more than 13 yards or so per catch. Lofton routinely averaged 20 yards per reception which is almost impossible with 1,000 yard seasons.

The pickings get a little thin after those two, I agree. Javon might have been the only possible rival. I do blame TT a little for not having a smoother transition. I sure would rather have a happy Javon signed for the next 5 years than the 37th pick in the draft. That was pretty close to first rounder, by the way.

[Patler]

With good healthy I wonder if Sharpe was better than Lofton.



They were very different types of recievers, so it is a difficult comparison to make. It sure would have been something to see both on the Packers at the same time, which could have happened if Lofton had not gotten himself into the predicament he did, and had been able to stay longer in GB. Of course, if he had the Packers may not have drafted Sharpe.

I know there is a belief by some that Favre became a better QB when Sharpe retired and Favre had to spread the ball around more. Personally, I think that would have happened anyway, as Favre matured as a professional QB. I sure would have liked to see the Favre/Sharpe combination for another 5 or 6 years.

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If I had a Packer Hall of Fame for this era, these are the players I'd probably vote for :

Brett Favre
Bart Starr
Lynn Dickey
James Lofton
Sterling Sharpe
Paul Coffman
Jim Taylor
Ahmann Green
Paul Hornung
John Brockington
Dorsey Levens
Forrest Gregg
Ken Ruettgers
Gale Gillingham
Jerry Kramer
Fuzzy Thurston
Frank Winters
Reggie White
Willie Davis
Tim Harris
Ray Nitschke
Dave Robinson
Fred Carr
John Anderson
Henry Jordan
Santana Dotson
Gilbert Brown
Dave Hanner
Herb Adderly
LeRoy Butler
Willie Wood
Willie Buchanan
Darren Sharper
Bob Jeter
Ryan Longwell
Chris Jacke
Travis Williams
Desmond Howard

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is this a ranking of the best talent, or the best Packers for their entire career as Packers?

I'd vote Lofton over Sharpe, but I think Sharpe would have been considered better if he hadn't gotten hurt.

Jackson only played 1 1/2 years in Green Bay, so I have to go with Coffman as the #1 TE.

I'd vote Rivera over Wahle. Wahle was better when he left, but Rivera was damn good for many years.

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Is this a ranking of the best talent, or the best Packers for their entire career as Packers?


That's the question. I concentrated more on "career with the Packers" in the Hall of Fame selections.

In the "by position" I did a mixture of talent/career stats.

It would be a shame to leave out Keith Jackson, Ted Hendricks, Andre "one play" Rison, or even Max McGee, who's major claim to fame is the highlight film in Super Bowl I, with his amazing....

1) one hand 2) behind the back 3) catch at full speed 4) for a 37 yard TD and his juggling 13 yard TD catch.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Brian Noble ought to be higher on the list. he really carried the defense.

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I think Brian Noble ought to be higher on the list. he really carried the defense.

I agree. Brian Noble said that in his first meeting with Ron Wolf, Ron stunned him by telling him he wasn't good enough to get the Packers to the Super Bowl and Wolf was going to replace him.

But then.. I don't think Wolf ever had a standout middle linebacker after that.. But Noble says that it really set him back in his chair.

You've got to hand it to Ron Wolf. Took a 4-12 team over in late 1991. In 1996 he won the Super Bowl. So basically, 92, 93, 94, 95 then boom! What a job! Then they go on to not have a losing season until 2006. 14 straight years of winning football.

Jim Carter is underrated.

[esoxx]

From 1962 - 2005 :

Top Defensive Tackles :

1 Bob Brown (his 72 season he was unstopable)
2 Grady Jackson (he made the GB defense respectable in 03, 04, 05)
3 Henry Jordan
4 Santana Dotson
5 Gilbert Brown
6 Dave Hanner
7 Mike McCoy (you might ask, why not Carl Barzilauskas?)
8 John Jurkovic
9 Dave Roller (along with Jurkovic, a fan favorite)


I agree with most of your assessments but this one stands out. Hank Jordan has to be #1. He's in the Pro Football HOF. Brown had a dominating season but no longevity or consistency. Jackson was already past his prime when he arrived here. The best of Jackson occurred when he was picked up halfway through '03. He was injured in '04 and disgruntled in '05.

[The Leaper]

I think Sharpe proved himself better than Lofton just in his first 7 years in the league. The guy was top 5 in receptions, yardage, and TDs four different times in his first 7 seasons. In terms of production, he was virtually step for step with the greatest receiver of all time during much of his career...and he didn't have a HOF QB in his prime throwing him the ball like Rice did. He had Majik and a very raw Favre.

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Hank Jordan has to be #1. He's in the Pro Football HOF.

HENRY JORDAN
By Don Smith
The Coffin Corner Volume XVII

Such offensive superstars as Bart Starr, Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung basked in the limelight during the 1960s when the Green Bay juggernaut dominated the pro football scene. But the Packers of the dynasty years also can trace at least as much of their success to a rugged defensive corps that drained the effectiveness of enemy attacks.

That defensive unit was recognized once again with the election of the late Henry Jordan, the Packers' long-term right defensive tackle, to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He is the tenth Green Bay player from the 1960s to be elected. Jordan joins four of his defensive teammates -- Herb Adderley, Willie Davis, Ray Nitschke and Willie Wood -- in the Hall. He is the 19th long-term member of the Packers, who began play in the NFL in 1921, to become a Hall of Famer.

Altogether, Jordan's NFL career spanned 13 seasons and 163 games from 1957 to 1969. The University of Virginia graduate was the fifth-round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns in 1957 but he didn't play regularly in either 1957 or 1958. Before the 1959 season, Green Bay acquired Jordan and gave the Browns a fourth- round draft choice in return. It was a trade that Cleveland would regret for years.

Jordan arrived in Green Bay at the same time that a highly- touted new coach, Vince Lombardi, came on the scene. The two were destined to share in the glory years of the Packers in the immediate future.

Lombardi's first team in 1959 gave Green Bay its first .500- plus season since 1947 and improved from 1-10-1 in 1958 to 7-5. In 1960, the Packers won the NFL Western Conference title for their first championship of any kind since 1944. The Packers lost to Philadelphia in the NFL title game but vowed they would do better the next year . . . and they did.

They won the NFL West again in 1961 and 1962 and defeated the New York Giants each year for the NFL championship. In 1962, the Packers scored the most points of any NFL team and held their opponents to just 10.6 points a game. Green Bay had to settle for second place in its division both in 1963 and 1964. With the best defense in the NFL, the Packers won league championships in 1965, 1966 and l967, thus giving Lombardi five NFL titles in a seven-year period. The Packers finished off the last two seasons with victories over Kansas City in Super Bowl I and Oakland in Super Bowl II.

Although perhaps not as widely publicized as the more flamboyant Ray Nitschke at middle linebacker, Jordan was the Packers' most honored defensive star during the dynasty years. He was named all-NFL in 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1967. He was selected to play in four Pro Bowls following the 1960, 1961, 1963 and 1966 seasons. Jordan's blocked kick preserved a 31-30 victory for the West in the 1962 Pro Bowl and he was named the game's Most Valuable Lineman. He also was durable. Injuries kept him out of two regular season games in 1964, the only games he missed during the first 12 years of his career.

When Lombardi acquired Jordan from Cleveland, he knew he had not played a lot but he had seen enough to decide he wanted Henry on his team. At 6-3, 240 pounds, Jordan was much smaller than the prototype defensive tackle of that era but Lombardi made him a defensive tackle anyway.

In the Green Bay defensive scheme, the front line was called upon to exert almost all of the pressure on the quarterback. Rarely did Phil Bengston, the defensive coordinator, order a linebacker to blitz. Even with that philosophy, it was more common to put the pass-rushing burden on the defensive ends while the defensive tackles stayed in the middle to protect against the run.

But when another Cleveland castoff, defensive end Willie Davis, came to Green Bay a year later in 1960, the pass-rushing responsibilities changed. Jordan, even though he was a tackle, and Davis became pass rushers while Bill Quinlan at one end and Dave Hanner at the other tackle defended against the run.

Jordan was particularly effective, harassing the quarterback with a variety of moves that shed blockers and enabled him to find his way to the passer by the tough, inside route.

Jordan explained his position this way: "Defensive tackle is no longer a position for just a big, strong football player. Football has developed into a game of playing 'keys,' which means watching what a certain man does and reacting a certain way. In the case of the defensive tackle, the 'key' is the offensive guard facing him. If I have an idea of what the guard is going to do, it will be harder for the tackle or center to block effectively. You expect to be blocked or hit but the secret of being a good defensive tackle is to escape the block as quickly as possible and to be in good position to tackle the ball-carrier."

In the rugged, ruthless arena of the pro football field, Jordan was in good position to tackle the ball-carrier hundreds of times during his career. But with an interesting mix of personalities, Jordan off the field was quiet, considerate and conservative. Even his home address -- 1616 Careful Drive -- was appropriate. On the field, he followed a personal code of never demeaning an opponent. He recognized that he could make an opponent angry and help him improve his play but, more importantly, Jordan firmly respected his opponents for their play on the NFL gridiron.

Before the 1965 NFL title game between the Packers and the Cleveland Browns, attention focussed on a duel between two former teammates, Jordan and Cleveland's Jim Brown. When questioned about the coming encounter, Jordan chose the high road.

"I was with Jimmy in the College All-Star camp and then played with him when I was with the Browns," Jordan reflected. "I used to just enjoy watching him. He is such agreat runner and a fine gentlemen off the field."

But in the championship game, Jordan and his mates dominated. Brown could gain only 50 yards on 12 plays and Cleveland could muster only 161 yards of total offense. Hornung and Taylor by themselves gained 204 yards and Green Bay won, 23-12.

Even though Jordan had only one interception in his career, his rushing tactics caused countless other interceptions. ln the 1966 season opener against Baltimore, Jordan and his mates put a strong rush on quarterback Johnny Unitas. This constant pressure led to three interceptions, two of which were returned for Green Bay touchdowns in a 24-3 victory. One of the touchdowns was a 52-yard return by linebacker Lee Roy Caffey.

Coach Bengston was ecstatic: "In all my years of coaching, I never have seen anything to compare with it . . . all four of our linemen got at least one block on that return and Jordan got two."

Most NFL fans will remember the famous Ice Bowl, the 1967 NFL championship game in Green Bay that saw the Packers edge the Dallas Cowboys 21-17 in 15 degree-below-zero weather. But Jordan and many of his teammates felt that the Packers played their best game in their Western Conference championship victory over the Los Angeles Rams a week earlier.

Los Angeles, the NFL leader in both scoring and scoring defense, tallied first on a Roman Gabriel pass and were threatening at the Packers 10 when Jordan broke through to stop Gabriel for a seven-yard loss. The Green Bay defense did not yield another point, the offense took charge both on the ground and in the air, and the Packers won 28-7. Gabriel was held to just 11 completions in 31 attempts and was intercepted once and sacked five times for 44 yards in losses. Jordan had four of those sacks.

During the 1960s, the twice-a-year clashes between Jordan at 6-3, 240 and the Baltimore Colts' Hall of Fame guard, Jim Parker, at 6-2, 275, were classics. While Parker with his great strength often frustrated Jordan, the Packers lineman usually held his own. "After I play Green Bay," Parker said, "my ankles hurt all week. I had to stay on the balls of my feet against Henry because I never know what he's going to do next. Other tackles just don't have Henry's moves."

"I try to get the guard going one way and then use my hands to keep him going that way," Jordan explained. "Use his own momentum against him. Usually I can't overpower my opponent so I have to out-maneuver him."

Jordan stood out in a group for one visual reason -- he was bald, a condition that began for Henry when he was a teenager. He was born in Emporia, Virginia on January 26, 1935. His father was a railroad car inspector on the Chesapeake and Ohio. He grew up in a family of six children -- three brothers and two sisters -- with a mixture of French, English, German and Indian ancestors. By the time he was 13, he already was 6-2 and his 230- pound weight was only 10 pounds under his pro football playing weight.

His father, claiming Henry still had baby bones, wouldn't let him play football. But one day when he was 14 at Warwick, Virginia, High School, his gym instructor, who doubled at line coach of the football team, challenged him: "You coming out for foot- ball this year, Henry? They're going to start calling you a sissy if you don't" Jordan did participate in football, as well as wrestling and track at Warwick High, where he was president of his class four years in a row. He earned a football scholarship to the University of Virginia, where he participated in the same three sports and earned a BS degree in commerce. He was particularly outstanding as a wrestler. At 16, he won the Virginia state AAU heavyweight wrestling title against men twice his age. In college, he advanced to the 1957 NCAA heavyweight finals.

One day during Jordan's senior football season, Dick Gallagher, then the personnel scout of the Cleveland Browns, called to ask if he would be interested in pro football if the Browns drafted him. Jordan was sure he didn't want to become a professional wrestler so he said he would be interested.

The Browns selected him in the fifth round of the 1957 NFL draft. But just before Jordan was scheduled to report to summer camp, he was picked for the College All-Star squad. "That saved me," Jordan said later. "I was in the All-Star camp the first few weeks and by the time I got to the Browns, they had cut all the rookies."

Jordan played almost every position -- offensive tackle, offensive guard, defensive tackle, defensive end, the kickoff team, the kickoff-return team, the punt-return team -- during his two years in Cleveland. The trade that sent him to Green Bay gave Jordan a permanent one-position job for the first time and conceivably prevented a premature end to his pro football career.

The Cleveland years were not totally wasted for Henry Jordan, however, for it was during his stay with the Browns that he was married to Olive Sargent of Charlottesville, Virginia.

"Our first date was on April Fool's Day. Henry was one of three popular Virginia varsity football players known as The Gruesome Threesome," Olive related. "When a girl friend bet me $2 I couldn't get a date with him, I took the dare. I won that bet and four years later, I won Henry. We were married on New Year's Day, 1958."

Jordan was an important influence on the Packers football team off the field as well as on game day. He never lost sight of the funny side of football and his one-liners were constant morale boosters.

His 240 pounds, his Virginia drawl and gleaming bald head made his ad-libbers even funnier. As Hornung and Taylor started to age, Jordan would chide them. "You used to be 'Thunder and Lightning.' You're more like 'Cloud and Drizzle' now."

Jordan didn't mind making fun of himself, either. His bald head was a favorite target. People treated it like a good luck charm for the team and someone was always kissing it or patting it. "I lost my hair because all the girls were constantly stroking their hands through it," he joked. "But what if y'all had my problem? I have to pay a barber to find my hair."

His favorite one-liner, however, involved Coach Lombardi. A highly-sought after dinner speaker, Jordan would proclaim: "I guess all you people realize I'm the only player on the Packers who's not afraid of Vince Lombardi." After a dramatic flourish when he pretended Lombardi was really there, he would conclude: "Seriously now. Coach Lombardi is very fair. He treats us all the same way . . . like dogs."

After 11 virtually pain-free years in the NFL, Jordan's back began to give him trouble in 1968, even though he played all 14 games. Many suggested he should retire but he insisted he was going to stay with the Packers "for a couple of reasons, the love of the game, the love of money and the fear of Lombardi. Beside the smell of money clears my sinuses."

Henry played only 5 games in 1969 and was dropped from the active roster in mid season. "If I could, I would play another five years," he said when he retired after the season, "But this year, the pain was more acute than ever."

Jordan immediately became executive director of the Summerfest, an annual festival in Milwaukee. He quickly put the Summerfest, which had been experiencing tough times, on a sound financial footing. But on February 21, 1977, at the age of 42, Jordan suffered a heart attack and died. Family, friends, teammates and the entire sports world joined in mourning the loss of a truly good human being who had constantly brightened their lives.

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JORDAN, HENRY * DT-DE * Henry Wendell Jordan
6-02 248 * Virginia
Warwick High School, Newport News, VA
b: 01/26/35, Emporia, VA * d: 02/21/77, Milwaukee, WI (42)
All-Pro 1960, 1961, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967
Pro Bowl after 1960, 1961. 1963, 1967 seasons
Virginia Sports Hall of Fame 1974
Pro Football Hall of Fame 1995

[KYPack]

Here's my mama's day 2 cents on this list.
Thanks for posting this, Mo

QB’s

Majik over Zeke Don was the starter. Zeke saved our bacon many a time and was a solid QB, but he was the back-up. Majik had the Ditka killing pass and was a solid starter.

TE’s

I’d quibble with the order

1 Paul Coffman
2 Jackie Harris
3. Ron Kramer
4. Keith Jackson
Then Fleming and the rest.

Ron Kramer was one of the league’s first superstar tight ends. Kieth Jackson’s career was brief. Paul Coffman did more with a lot less natural athleticism

Guards

I totally disagree with the order

1. Jerry Kramer
2. .Gale Gillingahm
3. Fuzzy Thurston
4. Aaron Taylor
5. Mike Wahle
6. Marco Rivera
7. Adam Timmerman

Jerry Kramer should be in the HOF. Gilly was a great player and under-rated but not as fast as JK. I’ll tell Fuzz I upgraded him & he’ll buy me a beer. Aaron Taylor was brilliant his last two years in GB. Whale was a top player, but he’s also been canonized since he left. Rivera and Timmerman were not great athletes, but worked hard an played at a high level. This group contains some of my favorite Packers.

D Tackles

Not only should Henry Jordan be #1, there should be no doubt. Only Alex Karras and Sapp came close to Henry’s ability to rush the passer from the DTackle spot. The guy was a force out there. Nothing sets up a defense like consistent QB pressure from the interior of the line.

Dbacks

Break this group into Safeties and Corners, Upgrade Bob Jeter. Jeter and Adderly were the best corner combo in NFL history. Better than Haynes and Hayes, better than Vincent and Taylor, better than Superman and Batman. Yes, I’m a homer. Downgrade Tyrone Williams. Please downgrade Tyrone Williams off the list.

[The Shadow]

Brett Favre BETTER than STARR?????????
Um, no.

[b bulldog]

You have underrated Santana Dotson and overrated Jackson.

[oregonpackfan]

from 1962 - 2005 :

Top Guards :

1 Gale Gillingham
2 Mike Wahle
3 Jerry Kramer
4 Fuzzy Thurston
5 Ron Hallstrom
6 Bill Lueck
7 Marco Rivera
8 Aaron Taylor
9 Adam Timmerman
10 Rich Moran

Sorry, but as someone old enough to have watched the plalyers from the Lombardi era, I would have to say that Jerry Kramer would have to be #1.
I would move Gale Gillinghame as #2. Finally, Fuzzy Thurston would be # 3. He was considerably better than Mike Wahle.

Oregonpackfan

[RashanGary]

Gilbert was way better in the superbowl years than Grady ever was in a packer uniform. Dotson was better than Grady too.

[GrnBay007]

Henderson should be in there just for kicking ESPN's butt during the draft!! :razz: