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GrnBay007
11-20-2007, 10:46 PM
Ritual of Harassment At Jets Games

By DAVID PICKER,The New York Times


At halftime of the Jets’ home game against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday, several hundred men lined one of Giants Stadium’s two pedestrian ramps at Gate D. Three deep in some areas, they whistled and jumped up and down. Then they began an obscenity-laced chant, demanding that the few women in the gathering expose their breasts.

When one woman appeared to be on the verge of obliging, the hooting and hollering intensified. But then she walked away, and plastic beer bottles and spit went flying. Boos swept through the crowd of unsatisfied men.

Marco Hoffner, an 18-year-old from Lacey Township, N.J., was expecting to see more. Not from the Jets — they pulled off a big upset over the Steelers. He wanted more from the alternative halftime show that, according to many fans, has been a staple at Jets home games for years.

“Very disappointed, because we’re used to seeing a lot,” Hoffner said.

The mood of previous Gate D crowds — captured on video clips posted on YouTube — sometimes bordered on hostile, not unlike the spirit of infamously aggressive European soccer hooligans. One clip online shows a woman being groped by a man standing next to her.

Sunday’s scene played out for about 20 minutes, and at least one woman granted the men’s request, setting off a roar as if the former star running back Curtis Martin had just scored a touchdown. Martin was actually nearby, being honored on the field in the official halftime show, which had a far less intense audience.

Throughout halftime, about 10 security guards in yellow jackets stood near the bottom of the circular, multilevel ramp, located beyond the stadium’s concourse of concession stands and restrooms. One of the guards was smoking a cigarette; many fans do the same during halftime on the giant ramps, which are located at each corner of the stadium. Another guard later said they were not permitted to do anything about the chants at Gate D because of free speech laws. Yet when a reporter tried to interview two security guards after halftime, he was detained in a holding room, threatened with arrest and asked to hand over his tape recorder.

The New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority, which provides security at Giants Stadium for Jets and Giants games, is aware of the raucous and raunchy halftime show. Patrick C. Aramini, the authority’s vice president for security, parking and traffic for the Meadowlands Sports Complex, said men and women could be expelled and even turned over to the New Jersey State Police to be arrested for their participation — although he said he did not know if anyone was cited Sunday. He added that other measures, like blocking access to the ramps, were being considered.

“The problem is, you got to watch four or five hundred people sometimes in the one particular spiral,” Aramini said.
“What do we do, arrest everybody that starts chanting?”

Such fan behavior is not uncommon at other sporting events in the United States, like Nascar races and the infield at the Kentucky Derby. There was even an infamous undressing in the National Football League’s marquee event: during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show, a “wardrobe malfunction” exposed Janet Jackson’s right breast before a worldwide televised audience.

But the Gate D tradition at Giants Stadium apparently is unique to Jets games; the Gate D ramps are comparatively empty at Giants games. Perhaps forlorn Jets fans, who have rarely had a winning team to support, are seeking alternative entertainment on game days.

“This is the game,” said Patrick Scofield, a 20-year-old from Poughkeepsie, N.Y., who has attended several Jets games the last two seasons.

Denisse Rivera, a 23-year-old from the Bronx, was on a first date Sunday. When she arrived at the crowd at Gate D, several men pointed at her, signaling men at all levels to chant in her direction. After a brief moment of hesitation, she flashed them. Then she took a bow.

“I don’t care,” Rivera said when told that video clips of previous incidents, taken on cellphones, ended up online. “I love my body and I like what I have, so let everybody share it.”

Two security guards soon approached Rivera. The guards warned her about indecent exposure laws, she said, and let her go.

Jets officials declined to be interviewed about the halftime tradition at their home games. In a statement, the team said: “We expect our fans to comply with all rules at the stadium, and the vast majority do. For those who don’t, we expect and encourage N.J.S.E.A. security to take appropriate action.”

Greg Aiello, an N.F.L. spokesman, said, “I would defer any comment to law enforcement and the people on the stadium authority there that are in charge of fan-conduct issues.”

The State Police staffs every Jets home game. But Sgt. Stephen Jones, a spokesman, said the State Police did not make an attempt to prevent fans from congregating in Giants Stadium. But he said that there were incidents of fans throwing money into the center of the spiral ramps. Those fans then threw objects at children picking up the money. Access to the center of the ramps is now blocked off by a chain-link fence.

“Our emphasis is certainly not general security,” Jones said. “Something like you’re describing, the stairwell behavior, is a matter that the security would handle. Now if they come up with something where somebody needs to be arrested, the troops will go out there and affect that arrest.”

Some parents are not pleased with the halftime activities away from the field.

Randall Lazzaro, a 40-year-old from New Jersey, attended Sunday’s game with his wife and two sons, ages 6 and 9. He was at the base of Gate D shortly before halftime and said that cursing at games was probably the main reason parents did not want to take their kids to games.

When Lazzaro was told what was about to happen on the ramps at Gate D, he said, “That’s a disgusting practice and the police have to get involved, put a stop to it.”

oregonpackfan
11-20-2007, 11:19 PM
I would be willing to bet that a considerable amount of this behavior is alcohol-fueled. :(

Carolina_Packer
11-20-2007, 11:23 PM
Sad and disturbing. If you were taking your kid to a game, how would you explain that? Why should you have to? Makes those male fans seem like a bunch of misgoynistic creeps.

MJZiggy
11-20-2007, 11:25 PM
SEEM?

Joemailman
11-20-2007, 11:27 PM
The idea that the guards can do nothing because of free speech laws is nonsense. A ticket is a license to attend the game, and can be revoked for any number of reasons.

MJZiggy
11-20-2007, 11:36 PM
When we were at the PR game, there was an announcement over the PA before the game saying that they expected Packer fans to be respectful and that you could and would get tossed for profanity.

Freak Out
11-21-2007, 12:09 AM
I love a nice rack flashed my way on occasion....but that is barbaric. True knuckle dragging savages. The NFL better clean that up before the prudes in Congress catch wind of it. They have nothing better to do.

GrnBay007
11-21-2007, 12:51 AM
I love a nice rack flashed my way on occasion...

LOL!

Does that happen....on occasion? :P

hurleyfan
11-21-2007, 06:08 AM
People talk about how "tough & rude" Philladelphia fans are, but let me tell you something, the Jets fans are about the worst I've ever seen. Ofcourse there are many good ones, but Jet fans seem to run in packs, and feed off each others energy. This is just another example of the poor behaviour of Jet fans(in general)

KYPack
11-21-2007, 07:19 AM
People talk about how "tough & rude" Philladelphia fans are, but let me tell you something, the Jets fans are about the worst I've ever seen. Ofcourse there are many good ones, but Jet fans seem to run in packs, and feed off each others energy. This is just another example of the poor behaviour of Jet fans(in general)

Bills, Browns and Steeler fans are just as goofy as Philly and Jet fans. Those places are very violent and dangerous. They had to install a jail in Philly's stadium.

Badgerinmaine
11-21-2007, 08:54 AM
The idea that the guards can do nothing because of free speech laws is nonsense. A ticket is a license to attend the game, and can be revoked for any number of reasons.
Absolutely right. Heck, the Seattle Mariners banned "Yankees Suck" t-shirts at Safeco Field a few years ago, and that's much less egregious than the Jets' fans we're talking about here. It's supposed to be a family atmosphere (at least to an extent) at an NFL game and I agree with Carolina_Packer.

Badgerinmaine
11-21-2007, 08:59 AM
Of course, we've seen...unusual behavior from people in Jets green for some time now:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=23dBG27gnuU

rpiotr01
11-21-2007, 09:06 AM
Jets fans are pieces of garbage. It amazing that there are two fan bases in the same area who share the same stadium, yet one is so cool (Giants) and the other comprised mostly of the scum of the earth (Jets).

Scott Campbell
11-21-2007, 09:09 AM
Sad and disturbing. If you were taking your kid to a game, how would you explain that? Why should you have to? Makes those male fans seem like a bunch of misgoynistic creeps.



Well dipshits like Denisse Rivera aren't helping the situation. It's not just the guys.

Carolina_Packer
11-21-2007, 09:24 AM
I had to email Mike&Mike for this one, since Greenberg is such a huge Jets fan. Yep, when you get a bunch of drunken guys with mob mentality and then some idiot girl obliges them, it definitely doesn't help matters, and then she buys into the "Girls Gone Wild" mentality and says, "I like my body and don't mind showing it off" Um, yeah! Well, heck Denise, not much good football watchin' at JetGiant Stadium, why don't we just put a stage and a pole on the 50 yard line and you can be the half-time entertainment? Would you prefer "Girls, Girls, Girls" by the Crue or do you wanna little country sass with Shania Twain's "Feel Like a Woman"?

Pathetic on her part, on the Jet's fans part and the club that is supposed to provide a safe environment for all fans to watch a game.

Scott Campbell
11-21-2007, 09:46 AM
I think the commish should step in here. This is ridiculous.

Freak Out
11-21-2007, 09:51 AM
They had to install a jail in Philly's stadium.

Your joking right?

MJZiggy
11-21-2007, 09:52 AM
Wait, really? The players can't dance to the music before the game, but a pack of men can be barbarians and harass any woman in the vicinity during halftime?

Scott Campbell
11-21-2007, 10:08 AM
The players can't dance to the music before the game............................


I like that rule. They're part of a football team, and don't need to be auditioning for the Solid Gold dance team. Save that stuff for the cheer squad.

Carolina_Packer
11-21-2007, 10:20 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the celebration rule. Yes, part of it is for the players because they work very hard and that is the fruits of their labor. Where do you stop? What if the Lambeau Leap was forbidden? I think it's fairly obvious when a player is celebrating with his own teammates or by himself in the case of T.O. (prior to this year anyway). I think there are some cultural elements at play, and I don't think the NFL needs to quash, santize or neuter everything individualistic. Yes, I agree with those who say, "act like you've done it before", but, I don't think there needs to be a rule. It's like free speech. I can speak my mind, but if I verbally assault you or come at you with my comments when I'm celebrating my accomplishment, that's what is unacceptable. The league allows trash talking, so why cut out celebrations that don't taunt? Some fans do like them. They add color to the games, as long as they don't taunt or show up the other team, which is where the line is drawn. Silly league. You won't protect female fans at a Jets game, but you'll stop the Packer special teams from dancing before a kickoff? Hmmm.

Deputy Nutz
11-21-2007, 10:22 AM
I thank god no one does this tradition in Green Bay, I have seen a majority of the women that go to Packer games and for the greater good and my vision they need to keep their boobies packed away under that 1994 John Jerkovich jersey.

3irty1
11-21-2007, 10:32 AM
People talk about how "tough & rude" Philladelphia fans are, but let me tell you something, the Jets fans are about the worst I've ever seen. Ofcourse there are many good ones, but Jet fans seem to run in packs, and feed off each others energy. This is just another example of the poor behaviour of Jet fans(in general)

Bills, Browns and Steeler fans are just as goofy as Philly and Jet fans. Those places are very violent and dangerous. They had to install a jail in Philly's stadium.

Its not fair at all to lump the Bills, Browns and Steelers in with the Jets and Eagles fans. The Steelers have notoriously dedicated fans. They get drunk and rowdy and boo a little more than we are used to but that's totally fine.

The Jets fans and Philly fans are the worst. Philly booed Santa Claus for Christ's sake.

hoosier
11-21-2007, 11:01 AM
The Jets fans and Philly fans are the worst. Philly booed Santa Claus for Christ's sake.

Was he having a bad year?

FritzDontBlitz
11-21-2007, 11:02 AM
Yes, there is a jail AND a mini-court in Philly stadium.

As long as the Jets fans have the proper uniforms, shoe color and designated sock length the NFL will probably not step in.

I have always wondered about the mentality of women who actually look forward to going to Bourbon Street in New Orleans, getting drunk off their asses and then flashing their hooters for a handful of beads they could for $2.00 a pound at the local novelty store. But then, I'm more of a booty man myself.

And that new logo above scared the shit outta me at first......

MJZiggy
11-21-2007, 11:08 AM
I thank god no one does this tradition in Green Bay, I have seen a majority of the women that go to Packer games and for the greater good and my vision they need to keep their boobies packed away under that 1994 John Jerkovich jersey.

Thanks a lot, dear...

Fritz
11-21-2007, 11:18 AM
Ya know what? Despite what that security guard or Jets spokesman said, yes, you DO kick out four or five hundred fans if that's what it takes to put a stop to this crap.

Heck yes I too like a nice pari flashed my way, but that ain't the forum for it. What pisses me off especially is that those fans DO do harm - they clearly become threatening and so they do interfere with the rights of those who are nearby, and of course the rights of the women who are heckled.

Take that kind of behavior to a titty bar. And even there it won't be tolerated. It's bullying, plain and simple. Kick a few hundred out a few times in a row when it happens, and it'll stop.

FritzDontBlitz
11-21-2007, 11:49 AM
Ya know what? Despite what that security guard or Jets spokesman said, yes, you DO kick out four or five hundred fans if that's what it takes to put a stop to this crap.

Heck yes I too like a nice pari flashed my way, but that ain't the forum for it. What pisses me off especially is that those fans DO do harm - they clearly become threatening and so they do interfere with the rights of those who are nearby, and of course the rights of the women who are heckled.

Take that kind of behavior to a titty bar. And even there it won't be tolerated. It's bullying, plain and simple. Kick a few hundred out a few times in a row when it happens, and it'll stop.

Well said. BTW, youtube removed the videos, so no cheap thrills for me unless the Victoria's Secret catalogue comes in the mail today....

swede
11-21-2007, 12:11 PM
Silly league. You won't protect female fans at a Jets game, but you'll stop the Packer special teams from dancing before a kickoff? Hmmm.



:bclap:

MadtownPacker
11-21-2007, 12:17 PM
Silly league. You won't protect female fans at a Jets game, but you'll stop the Packer special teams from dancing before a kickoff? Hmmm.



:bclap:That is a extremely good point. The NFL and the commish are so full of shit with the "family game" BS. The commercials during games are not "family". Then they just trying to cover crap up like spygate and this.

wist43
11-21-2007, 12:33 PM
Manners??? Respect for others??? Self respect???

Antiquated notions that Dr. Spock and other social engineers successfully killed decades ago.

For decades now, kids have been deprived of discipline and overindulged in self esteem/ego boosting methods of child rearing that has left most them clueless as to how to behave.

There's no reversing this process... it will only get worse.

MJZiggy
11-21-2007, 12:39 PM
Manners??? Respect for others??? Self respect???

Antiquated notions that Dr. Spock and other social engineers successfully killed decades ago.

For decades now, kids have been deprived of discipline and overindulged in self esteem/ego boosting methods of child rearing that has left most them clueless as to how to behave.

There's no reversing this process... it will only get worse.

Nah, these things go in cycles. From Victorianism to 60's love children, and eventually the pendulum will swing back, but these things take time.

wist43
11-21-2007, 01:23 PM
Manners??? Respect for others??? Self respect???

Antiquated notions that Dr. Spock and other social engineers successfully killed decades ago.

For decades now, kids have been deprived of discipline and overindulged in self esteem/ego boosting methods of child rearing that has left most them clueless as to how to behave.

There's no reversing this process... it will only get worse.

Nah, these things go in cycles. From Victorianism to 60's love children, and eventually the pendulum will swing back, but these things take time.

Normally I would agree that societal trends are cyclical, but these behavior changes were deliberately foisted upon our society with malignant intent.

The dumber and more ignorant a population, the easier they are to control... there's no stopping this. I used to work in this field, but found it so depressing that I got out.

The social fabric of our country is disintegrating, our borders are being deliberately erased, socialism is the order of the day in our governmental institutions... the natural conclusion to these realities is totalitarian government. Essential to any totalitarian government, is a preponderance of idiots as subjects - we're well on our way.

the_idle_threat
11-21-2007, 01:32 PM
1. I also like to see a nice pair of jubblies, but there are places you can go to see that, like a titty bar or State St. in Madison or someplace warm & sunny during Spring Break.

2. A throng of fans 500 strong harrassing females who happen to pass by is completely unacceptable. The "freedom of speech" angle is total bullshit. This is not protected political speech, and furthermore, nobody has "freedom" to harrass women in public, especially in such an intimidating fashion due to the drunkenness and sheer number of harrassers. Maybe this is passable on Bourbon street on Fat Tuesday in N'yawlins, because it's kind of expected there, but anywhere else it should lead to arrests, not just ejections.

3. Some nice ranting in this thread. Props especially to Carolina_Packer and Fritz, among others.

Badgerinmaine
11-21-2007, 03:58 PM
They had to install a jail in Philly's stadium.

Your joking right?
No, that was true, at the old Vet. It was basically a big holding cell with a bar on the wall; they'd attach the convict's handcuffs to it. I don't know if LIncoln Financial Field has one or not,