Salary Cap via Peter King and SI

[pbmax]

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, surprised the Pack were middle of the road here.


Team Sgnd Plyrs 2008 Cap Room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million

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* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.

[Rastak]

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, surprised the Pack were middle of the road here.


Team Sgnd Plyrs 2008 Cap Room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million



I don't think it's real acurate. It seems the LTBE incentives aren't calculated in and teams like Minnesota and now Green Bay are using these to push cap space forward. I had heard the Vikings were going to be sitting at around 30mil but I'm not sure if that is true or not.

[pbmax]

Ras, that's a good point. And many of the teams way under the cap are under 40 signed players. Some of them may be expensive. Still, you have to start somewhere when the info isn't always available.

[pbmax]

* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.

[Joemailman]

18 mil isn't bad considering the lack of big names whose contracts expire in 2007. An unofficial list:

Ryan Krause
Frank Walker
Corey Williams
Tracy White
Rob Davis
Vernand Morency
Colin Cole
Atari Bigby
Ruvell Martin
John Kuhn
Ryan Grant

[The Leaper]

Things won't get interesting again in free agency for a few more years. The recent TV deals bumped the cap up so much that it will take awhile for even the NFL big spenders to push themselves up against the cap again...outside of the Redskins, who could find a way to push themselves to the limit if they had no cap limit.

[retailguy]

18 mil isn't bad considering the lack of big names whose contracts expire in 2007. An unofficial list:

Ryan Krause
Frank Walker
Corey Williams
Tracy White
Rob Davis
Vernand Morency
Colin Cole
Atari Bigby
Ruvell Martin
John Kuhn
Ryan Grant

bigby's gonna break the bank. i think he'll get at least $10m. We probably cannot afford him.

[4and12to12and4]

Yeah, other than Favre, the Pack are in great shape with most of the players being in the beginning or middle of contracts for '08. Management has done very well for the Green and gold in this area. Usually we're complaining we aren't spending enough. The great thing is, after this year, no matter what happens from here on out, if Favre doesn't have a career ending injury and says he's coming back fairly soon in the offseason, we will be ripe for the picking as far as free agents are concerned. It'll be like when we got Reggie. the Mosses of the NFL will want to come to a team with a chance to win the Superbowl, and the thought of winning it in Green Bay with a legend for you're QB will give TT a lot more leverage in next year's market.

[BallHawk]

bigby's gonna break the bank. i think he'll get at least $10m. We probably cannot afford him.

From the limited amount of action we've seen of Rouse, I'm not going to be sulking if we lose Bigby.

[4and12to12and4]

bigby's gonna break the bank. i think he'll get at least $10m. We probably cannot afford him.

From the limited amount of action we've seen of Rouse, I'm not going to be sulking if we lose Bigby.

I agree. I think that Bigby is very much like a certain middle linebacker we drafted that never plays. He hits very hard, plays at full speed all the time, but doesn't have enough talent in other areas of his game to be successful. I feel he's a liability out there in coverage. Maybe I'm too hard on him, and he's usually a step behind his man because he's a rookie, and if given time, will be in better position. If so, he could be another Sanders out there. If not, I hope we don't have to find out the hard way, through the end of next year. Rouse has had very little play, and we love him for his two picks in two games, but, we may be casting stones on both these players a little too soon. I know one thing, I'm starting to think that Collins isn't ever gonna get it. What was his Wonderlic score? 7?

[CaliforniaCheez]

The number of players signed is a big factor.

There is always monkey buiness pushing cap space forward.

Only Andrew Brandt knows for sure. It is a full time job for each franchise to keep a grip on it.

As an outsider you can only know ballpark figures. There are some good web sites that try to stay in the ballpark.

With such a young team it is safe to say the Packers are in no danger of the cap trouble of 2005.

[Guiness]

Funny to see Tenn up at the top - they were in absolute cap hell just a couple of years ago - that's why McNair had to go...

You guys serious about Bigby getting monster $$$? He's been good at times, but inconsistent. I didn't see him getting all that much...

[vince]

Whether those numbers are real accurate or just ballpark numbers, it's accurate to say that a lot of teams have a lot of cap space, even though many of them have a lot of players unsigned.

That bodes well for a guy like Corey Williams, assuming he's interested in being overpaid by someone, and not well for the Packers.

While I agree with those that think a legitimate attempt to sign Williams should be made, he could end up signing a contract that would turn the team's overall salary structure on its head, which would pose future problems, with all the guys that will be coming due in 2009 and beyond.

It'll be increasingly challenging, yet important, for this young, talented, winning team that has a lot of guys that the team will want to re-up to keep order in the team salary structure.

[pbmax]

Bigby:

11/15/2006: Signed a two-year contract.

2007: $360,000

2008: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

Other than a holdout, Bigby comes back at a reasonable price.

[Joemailman]

18 mil isn't bad considering the lack of big names whose contracts expire in 2007. An unofficial list:

Ryan Krause
Frank Walker
Corey Williams
Tracy White
Rob Davis
Vernand Morency
Colin Cole
Atari Bigby
Ruvell Martin
John Kuhn
Ryan Grant

bigby's gonna break the bank. i think he'll get at least $10m. We probably cannot afford him.

Nah. TT will finally succeed in his quest to drive Favre out of Green Bay so he can start Rodgers. With the 11 mil he'll save on the cap there, he'll be able to sign Bigby.

[RashanGary]

bigby's gonna break the bank. i think he'll get at least $10m. We probably cannot afford him.

This is an uncalled for and ignorant stab at Vince (who thought signing Bigby would be a good move and you had a debate with).

You come out with your mea culpa, stating you don't know anything, yet you are enough of a scum bag to come here making these types of comments. . . .This is obviously sarcastic, and obvioulsy directed at people who wanted to resign Bigby. It's not that big of a deal, but you would think someone like you who doesn't get much right would have enough humilty to keep these remarks to himself.

[Joemailman]

Calm down, JH. We're just talking football, not war and peace.

[RashanGary]

Vince has been nothing but a decent, respectfull poster here. He once got in a spat wtih Packnut who was calling people blind and ignorant. I think any time you call people blind and stupid, you can expect a little backlash.

After someone comes on here and says people don't know what they are talking about (packnut), I thought it was refreshing to see someone (vince) bring up the last time he made those types of insulting, rude remarks and say "maybe you don't know quite as much as you think you know". RG took that as some sort of reason to attack Vince whenever possible (turns out Vince isn't wrong very often, so RG can only attack his bigby view).

Still, I find it pathetic to see the same posters who whine about other posters bringing up past conversations doing the same thing in their cowardly, passive aggressive ways. Of all people who should be using sarcastic, belittling tones, mister never right about anything shouldn't be anywhere near the top of that list.

[vince]

While Bigby started out the season very strongly, he has been exposed in his pass defense the second half of the season. I still like his aggressive play. Also, considering this is his first real experience, I think he can improve and continue to be an asset to the team.

But what's relevant here is that I never once implied that Bigby should be resigned for anywhere in the ballpark of $10 million. This is nothing more RG's typical underhanded tactic of exaggerating someone's position in a dishonest attempt to ridicule it. As JH correctly said, his countless statements that have been incredibly wrong need no exaggeration to ridicule, if one were inclined to expose them.

What's more, his half-hearted apology for "being wrong" completely missed the point of what his transgression entailed. He should have apologized, not for being wrong (everyone is) but for the denigrating and dishonest way he ridiculed those who, rightfully, disagreed with him. Obviously, those underhanded tactics haven't stopped, apology or not.

[Scott Campbell]

Or, maybe he was just being a wiseguy/smartass. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, the same way we decided to give TT the benefit of the doubt.

And besides, everybody knows that vince wouldn't support giving Bigby a penny over $9M.

:lol:

[Lurker64]

I think Bigby is an EFA anyway, since he only played in one game in 2005, which wouldn't count as an accrued season if I'm reading things right.

So we can probably get him for $9m....

[Partial]

Bigby for 9 mil? I would thinking subtract about 8 mil from that and we can lock him up. I would say throw 3 mil guaranteed and give him 5 years at 1 mil and he'll take it. No doubt.

[MJZiggy]

Bigby for 9 mil? I would thinking subtract about 8 mil from that and we can lock him up. I would say throw 3 mil guaranteed and give him 5 years at 1 mil and he'll take it. No doubt.

(can't believe she even has to say this...)He was joking!!! You have NO sense of humor today.

[Zool]

Is no one else concerned that Grant is an UFA?

[pbmax]

Nope. RB salaries have really come down in the last couple of years as a decade and a half of salary cap data showed that they decline as quick as any other player and except for the truly outstanding ones, they are easily replaceable.

I'm not saying I want to lose him, but his leverage might not be as high as we might envision after saving the rushing attack.


Is no one else concerned that Grant is an UFA?

[run pMc]

Is no one else concerned that Grant is an UFA?

Funny, I was just going to ask this. Bigby has been a good find, but I think Rouse has shown enough flashes. We don't really have anyone behind Grant who has.

Even with RB salaries dropping, (unless he's an RFA) some GM's going to go after Grant.

[MJZiggy]

Is no one else concerned that Grant is an UFA?

Funny, I was just going to ask this. Bigby has been a good find, but I think Rouse has shown enough flashes. We don't really have anyone behind Grant who has.

Even with RB salaries dropping, (unless he's an RFA) some GM's going to go after Grant.

Doesn't matter. If TT doesn't have him signed before FA starts, he has the cash available to keep him in town and not a lot of other players he has to concern himself with. And what other RB on the team could possibly be pissed about Grant getting a good deal?