Legit tactic or not? - What's Your Opinion?

[Kiwon]

Robin Garrison, an off-duty 42-year-old firefighter, was walking in Berliner Park in Columbus, Ohio, in May when he saw a woman sunbathing topless under a tree.

He approached her and they started talking and getting comfortable, the woman smiling and resting her foot on his shoulder at one point.

Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied.

Seconds later, undercover police officers pulled up in a van and arrested Garrison; he was later charged with public indecency, a misdemeanor, based on video footage taken by cops who were targeting men having sex or masturbating in the park. While topless sunbathing is legal in the city's parks, exposing more than that is against the law.

The case is just one of the more extreme examples of police stings aimed at luring people into committing crimes, a tactic that has resulted in hundreds of arrests, many convictions and plenty of controversy.

Law enforcement officials say that such sting operations are an extremely effective means of lowering crime rates and stopping the criminally minded before they commit worse offenses. From early 2006 to the spring of 2007, there were 160 citations for public indecency in the city, according to an investigation by 10TV News. Among those who were caught in the stings: an Ohio State University doctor, government employees and a retired highway trooper.

But such operations veer dangerously close to entrapment, say lawyers, civil libertarians and defendants who've been caught in sting operations.

Full Story (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4022717&page=1)

[MadtownPacker]

I think she crossed the line when she made physical contact (resting her foot on his shoulder) with him. I hope the bitch rots and dies.

But dude should have known it was too good to be true. I could see Bretsky getting caught in a sting like this.

[MJZiggy]

That IS entrapment. She ASKED him to expose himself. Maybe he shouldn't have complied, but he also could have figured that no one would see (not being familiar with the location I have no way of knowing) or the situation tempted him into doing something he normally wouldn't...

[Kiwon]

MJZ, there is a video posted on the link.

It's broad daylight, a beautiful, sunny day in a park. By the looks, there were very few people around. The Columbus police filmed the whole thing from a distance.

If you watch the video you will be very underwhelmed by the criminal act.

[MadtownPacker]

I dont know about entrapment. If someone shows you a gun it doesnt mean you should shoot someone with it. You have to use common sense and common sense says you dont pull your salami out in public. If this was some hormone-fueled teenager I could understand but it was a hormone-fueled 42 yr old who should know stuff like this only happens in porn movie plots.

[Freak Out]

You whip your dick out in a public park in a city or town at your own risk. WTF people? Yes...she asked him to...did she have a gun to his head or just the two nice golden bozo's? These types of things are always borderline entrapment and I don't agree with many of the sting operations used for busting Johns.....I think prostitution should be legal just like herb.

[Freak Out]

Bingo bango bongo

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4022717&page=1

[Jimx29]

Bingo bango bongo

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4022717&page=1
>>Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting<<
That statement is wrong on sooooo many levels

[Kiwon]

>>Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting<<
That statement is wrong on sooooo many levels

What should it be? - Police Sting Topless Perverts? or Police Perverts Sting Topless Woman? or Police Lured Perverts in Topless Woman Sting?

Or maybe, Topless Woman Enjoys Seeing Men Getting Their Balls Busted in Police Sting?

Really, this chick must get her jollies from seeing these guys nailed cold. How did the Columbus PD recruit and train her? Post ads at the local Lesbo club?

She's got to be a Lesbo or Feminist ( :D ......a truthful, yet intolerant sexist remark. Sorry, Libs).

[Jimx29]

>>Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting<<
That statement is wrong on sooooo many levels

What should it be? - Police Sting Topless Perverts? or Police Perverts Sting Topless Woman? or Police Lured Perverts in Topless Woman Sting?

Or maybe, Topless Woman Enjoys Seeing Men Getting Their Balls Busted in Police Sting?

Really, this chick must get her jollies from seeing these guys nailed cold. How did the Columbus PD recruit and train her? Post ads at the local Lesbo club?

She's got to be a Lesbo or Feminist ( :D ......a truthful, yet intolerant sexist remark. Sorry, Libs).
Alls I know is if I see a chick topless sunbathing in public, I am from there on not responsible for my male actions. I'm sorry, but it's encoded and I cannot control it 8-)

[SkinBasket]

Does it say in the article she's working undercover or are the police just filming random topless women and waiting for idiots to jerk off nearby?

[Bretsky]

This is why guys should just sit back and watch multiple topless women put there feet over each others shoulders

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't like the idea of the police being allowed to set up a sting like this. The cops should be busy catching criminals--not trying to lure people into becoming criminals. I believe it's entrapment.

[GBRulz]

I think it's BS. Reminds me of the DNR a few years back when they were trying to nail people for DUI on snowmobiles. Well, staff of the DNR would pull over on the side of the snowmobile trail with their hoods open, to make it look like they were having mechanical problems. If someone came by to offer help and they smelled like alcohol, those people were arrested.

That was a big problem in northern WI a few years back. It sure didn't last long though, the DNR caught alot of grief for that....and they should. What's gonna happen when someone really does need help on the trails... and someone who had a couple of drinks will be too afraid to stop.

Anyhow, these entrapment like situation to bust people, I think is wrong.

[the_idle_threat]

I don't like the idea of the police being allowed to set up a sting like this. The cops should be busy catching criminals--not trying to lure people into becoming criminals. I believe it's entrapment.

Well said. I agree.

[Deputy Nutz]

Absolutely bullshit. Unless the chick was not working for the police, then both of them should go down.

[MJZiggy]

I don't like the idea of the police being allowed to set up a sting like this. The cops should be busy catching criminals--not trying to lure people into becoming criminals. I believe it's entrapment.

Well said.

[Partial]

I think it's BS. Reminds me of the DNR a few years back when they were trying to nail people for DUI on snowmobiles. Well, staff of the DNR would pull over on the side of the snowmobile trail with their hoods open, to make it look like they were having mechanical problems. If someone came by to offer help and they smelled like alcohol, those people were arrested.

That was a big problem in northern WI a few years back. It sure didn't last long though, the DNR caught alot of grief for that....and they should. What's gonna happen when someone really does need help on the trails... and someone who had a couple of drinks will be too afraid to stop.

Anyhow, these entrapment like situation to bust people, I think is wrong.

QFT

[Tarlam!]

I'd have shown her my salami, if I coulda found it....

[Zool]

I'm not a big fan of the entrapment law. You're breaking the law. No one forced him to pull his junk out in public. If she unzipped his pants, then yes.

I also agree the police should probably be doing something WAAAAAY more constructive with our tax dollars.

[GBRulz]

I think it's BS. Reminds me of the DNR a few years back when they were trying to nail people for DUI on snowmobiles. Well, staff of the DNR would pull over on the side of the snowmobile trail with their hoods open, to make it look like they were having mechanical problems. If someone came by to offer help and they smelled like alcohol, those people were arrested.

That was a big problem in northern WI a few years back. It sure didn't last long though, the DNR caught alot of grief for that....and they should. What's gonna happen when someone really does need help on the trails... and someone who had a couple of drinks will be too afraid to stop.

Anyhow, these entrapment like situation to bust people, I think is wrong.

QFT

excuse me?

[Zool]

abakingpowder?

[GBRulz]

abakingpowder?

lol, ty Wayne.

[Partial]

what? I was saying quoted for truth

[GBRulz]

I thought QFT meant quit f'ing talking !!!

[Kiwon]

I thought QFT meant quit f'ing talking !!!

QFT :D

[Partial]

I thought QFT meant quit f'ing talking !!!

No I agree with you 100% on that.

[BallHawk]

I thought QFT meant quit f'ing talking !!!

So have several other people on this forum. :lol:

[Zool]

uhsqueezeme?

[GBRulz]

STFU...all of you :wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is bullshit also. Give the police an inch, and they'll take the whole damn ruler.


In New York City, nearly 300 people, many of whom had no criminal record, have been snared this year through the NYPD's Operation Lucky Bag, in which undercover officers leave a wallet, iPod or cell phone in a subway station and wait to see who picks it up.

Although deputy police Commissioner Paul Browne says the program has helped cut subway grand larcenies by half, critics say that the police have gone too far.

"It's pretty straightforward that this is a police-created crime," said Legal Aid Society lawyer Alex Lesman, who defended a man arrested for taking a bag containing an Xbox video game box, a Sprint cell phone and cash. "The police set this whole thing up. They shouldn't be doing that and luring people in that situation, especially in this age of terrorism where the transit system is always telling you to be on the lookout for suspicious bags."

The judge agreed with Lesman, acquitting his client, Antonio Arroyo. "The police should concentrate their noble efforts on behalf of the city on countering real crimes committed every day," wrote Kings County criminal court judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. "They do not need to manipulate a situation where temptation may overcome even people who would normally never think of committing a crime."

[Freak Out]

This is bullshit also. Give the police an inch, and they'll take the whole damn ruler.


In New York City, nearly 300 people, many of whom had no criminal record, have been snared this year through the NYPD's Operation Lucky Bag, in which undercover officers leave a wallet, iPod or cell phone in a subway station and wait to see who picks it up.

Although deputy police Commissioner Paul Browne says the program has helped cut subway grand larcenies by half, critics say that the police have gone too far.

"It's pretty straightforward that this is a police-created crime," said Legal Aid Society lawyer Alex Lesman, who defended a man arrested for taking a bag containing an Xbox video game box, a Sprint cell phone and cash. "The police set this whole thing up. They shouldn't be doing that and luring people in that situation, especially in this age of terrorism where the transit system is always telling you to be on the lookout for suspicious bags."

The judge agreed with Lesman, acquitting his client, Antonio Arroyo. "The police should concentrate their noble efforts on behalf of the city on countering real crimes committed every day," wrote Kings County criminal court judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. "They do not need to manipulate a situation where temptation may overcome even people who would normally never think of committing a crime."

Unfucking believable! I thought they were doing this for research not to arrest people! I read a story the other day where out of a hundred wallets left on a subway train 97 were returned to the transit authority. These cops are stat hunting thats all.

[Deputy Nutz]

This is bullshit also. Give the police an inch, and they'll take the whole damn ruler.


In New York City, nearly 300 people, many of whom had no criminal record, have been snared this year through the NYPD's Operation Lucky Bag, in which undercover officers leave a wallet, iPod or cell phone in a subway station and wait to see who picks it up.

Although deputy police Commissioner Paul Browne says the program has helped cut subway grand larcenies by half, critics say that the police have gone too far.

"It's pretty straightforward that this is a police-created crime," said Legal Aid Society lawyer Alex Lesman, who defended a man arrested for taking a bag containing an Xbox video game box, a Sprint cell phone and cash. "The police set this whole thing up. They shouldn't be doing that and luring people in that situation, especially in this age of terrorism where the transit system is always telling you to be on the lookout for suspicious bags."

The judge agreed with Lesman, acquitting his client, Antonio Arroyo. "The police should concentrate their noble efforts on behalf of the city on countering real crimes committed every day," wrote Kings County criminal court judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. "They do not need to manipulate a situation where temptation may overcome even people who would normally never think of committing a crime."

Just the other day I found a purse and it's contents scattered across the road in front of my house, I picked up what I could but I didn't have time at the moment to find out who it belonged to and return it. I put it in the van and went to practice, and afterwards I had other things to do. I located the ID and new what street the women lived on and returned it. If it was a dirty scheme set up by cops that didn't know my intentions I would be ticketed.

How do the cops know what the person is going to do with the bag of electronics or cash? Assuming makes them look like asses.

[Bretsky]

STFU...all of you :wink:


QFT :lol: