Some postive movement on the C-dub front

[RashanGary]

Williams used to joke with the other Dlineman that he was going to "break the bank". He was more than happy to break of talks early in the season.

Now, after he had to play a few games where he wasn't able to just come in for 60% of the snaps and go all out at the QB with Kamp and KGB there drawing double teams, I think he realizes that he's not a superstar worthy of "breaking the bank"


Anyway, here is what C-dub said in the greenbay press gazette,

“It’s starting to sink in now to know there’s a chance I might not be back with the team,” Williams said. “The defensive line, we’ve got such a good group, and we’re all good friends. To know that there might be a separation, that’s tough.

“But I’m not just going to take any deal. I want to be treated fair.”




"FAIR". This is the first time Cdub has used that word. Usually when players start talking about fair something gets done shortly after. That is my observation anyway. If the guy gets 20 million over 5 years, he has to be happy. Maybe he could get a few more but damn, that's enough for just about anyone to live on for the rest of their lives. I hope he stays around. If Harrell takes a jump as big or bigger than Jollys, Jolly takes another step forward and Pickett is Pickett, I do think that group can be unstoppable with Williams as the pass rush specialist.

[sepporepi]

They can not do anything in the near future.

Firstly the have not much cap room left for this season, secondly the period for redoing deals ended some months ago.

[Bretsky]

They can not do anything in the near future.

Firstly the have not much cap room left for this season, secondly the period for redoing deals ended some months ago.


We are one of the healthier teams cap wise; we'll reportedly go into next year with 25,000,000 + so there is plenty of room to give him a deal if we choose.

[cpk1994]

They can not do anything in the near future.

Firstly the have not much cap room left for this season, secondly the period for redoing deals ended some months ago.


We are one of the healthier teams cap wise; we'll reportedly go into next year with 25,000,000 + so there is plenty of room to give him a deal if we choose.Also they can come to terms now but not sign until later.

[MadtownPacker]

If he keeps getting his ass handed to him by opponents running games his "fair" is gonna get a lot fairer.

[Fritz]

Williams used to joke with the other Dlineman that he was going to "break the bank". He was more than happy to break of talks early in the season.

Now, after he had to play a few games where he wasn't able to just come in for 60% of the snaps and go all out at the QB with Kamp and KGB there drawing double teams, I think he realizes that he's not a superstar worthy of "breaking the bank"


Anyway, here is what C-dub said in the greenbay press gazette,

“It’s starting to sink in now to know there’s a chance I might not be back with the team,” Williams said. “The defensive line, we’ve got such a good group, and we’re all good friends. To know that there might be a separation, that’s tough.

“But I’m not just going to take any deal. I want to be treated fair.”




"FAIR". This is the first time Cdub has used that word. Usually when players start talking about fair something gets done shortly after. That is my observation anyway. If the guy gets 20 million over 5 years, he has to be happy. Maybe he could get a few more but damn, that's enough for just about anyone to live on for the rest of their lives. I hope he stays around. If Harrell takes a jump as big or bigger than Jollys, Jolly takes another step forward and Pickett is Pickett, I do think that group can be unstoppable with Williams as the pass rush specialist.

JH, I think you're reading this exactly opposite of what the guy means. This is code for "yeah, I'm a faithful and loyal guy and I love my team, but the second somebody waves a huge contract under my nose [that's what he means by "fair"] I'm outta here."

[KYPack]

We are not gonna pay him what he can get on the open market.

I can't remember a player opting for free agency and then re-signing with the Pack.

The guy is gone. He won't be back.

[Scott Campbell]

I agree - I think he's as good as gone. And I'm ok with that. No team can keep everybody, and I think we can absorb his loss better than any of our other key people. That cap space should be saved for guys we'd really hate to lose.

[Joemailman]

“But I’m not just going to take any deal. I want to be treated fair.”


This sounds like he's going to the high bidder, no matter who it is. I suspect it won't be the Pack. Actually, KyPack, I think William Henderson entered free agency and came back. Found out the market price for fullbacks wasn't what he thought it was. Don't think that'll happen here though.

[Tony Oday]

Who the heck cares about a backup DT? I dont think he is that good Id rather have a healthy Jolly.

[b bulldog]

aGREE, i'D RATHER SPEND SOME OF OUR CAP ROOM IN THE SECONDARY. 99 is way to inconsistent for me, let him walk.

[Bretsky]

IMO he was gone a long time ago. They have so much money I have no problems if they sign him.

[KYPack]

“But I’m not just going to take any deal. I want to be treated fair.”


This sounds like he's going to the high bidder, no matter who it is. I suspect it won't be the Pack. Actually, KyPack, I think William Henderson entered free agency and came back. Found out the market price for fullbacks wasn't what he thought it was. Don't think that'll happen here though.

Yer right.

Thought there was a guy or two that did make it back, but I couldn't remember the names.

Fullbacks don't get the big deals, but a DT/DE with pass rushing ability?

Williams will get paid and it won't be us writing the checks.

[pbmax]

Jolly versus Williams, forget price, who would you keep?

Until midseason, I would have answered Williams, but Jolly made a jump I didn't expect.

I think Williams has a more valuable skill set. But as we all know, price is always an issue.



“But I’m not just going to take any deal. I want to be treated fair.”


This sounds like he's going to the high bidder, no matter who it is. I suspect it won't be the Pack. Actually, KyPack, I think William Henderson entered free agency and came back. Found out the market price for fullbacks wasn't what he thought it was. Don't think that'll happen here though.

Yer right.

Thought there was a guy or two that did make it back, but I couldn't remember the names.

Fullbacks don't get the big deals, but a DT/DE with pass rushing ability?

Williams will get paid and it won't be us writing the checks.

[RashanGary]

I would take Jolly in a heart beat over Williams. I think Williams (if he's around) will be our 4th best DT next year.

[Bretsky]

I would take Jolly in a heart beat over Williams. I think Williams (if he's around) will be our 4th best DT next year.


Jolly Pickett as top 2
Not a whole lot of evidence but gut feelings that anybody else is better than Williams. Muhr, while a different type of player, may have looked just as good as Harell last week

[b bulldog]

Agree and when a guy says that all he wants is a fair price, well to that player, that may mean a 5yr-30-38mil price with a hefty bonus, no thanks.

[FritzDontBlitz]

I want Williams back. We don't even know yet if Jolly can stay healthy an entire season.

EDIT: I would also be looking at what happens to "Big Ol'" Grady Jackson after this season as well. Damn he looked good in the game against Pitt. The difference between him and Pickett is Grady doesn't just hold the point, he collapses the pocket on his way to the QB.

[Partial]

I suspect TT will continue to add players on the DL. DL, OL, Secondary are the positions he has to continue to address imo.

[Deputy Nutz]

Williams can really go flog himself because after the season he no longer will be a Packer again. Unfortunately for the Packers they play a defensive system that relies heavily on a strong defensive tackle rotation. Look at all of our injuries at defensive tackle, it should be clear to the Packers that they need 6 quality defensive tackles to start the season.

[ND72]

It wouldn't surprise me if at 11:59 TT slaps some kind of tag on him so they can keep him at a market price, or get something out of him.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Williams was gone when the Packers picked in the first round last year. Harrell will be a player, he'll probably be the one to replace Pickett when his contract is up(along with Jolly). All the Harrell-haters are going to have to come around some time, this guy isn't the next flop, he's our future on the D-line.

[Patler]

I can't remember a player opting for free agency and then re-signing with the Pack.


The situation right now is now different than with Aaron Kampman at the end of '05. His contract expired and between the end of the season and the start of free agency they signed him (in March, just before the Fan Fest weekend).

The same could happen with Williams, depending on what each expects out of a deal. I'm inclined toward believing he will ask for too much.

[pbmax]

I saw Grady go in for Henderson last night, but did he get to the QB? There isn't much speed left in those wheels. He had no rush in him when he left the Pack.


I want Williams back. We don't even know yet if Jolly can stay healthy an entire season.

EDIT: I would also be looking at what happens to "Big Ol'" Grady Jackson after this season as well. Damn he looked good in the game against Pitt. The difference between him and Pickett is Grady doesn't just hold the point, he collapses the pocket on his way to the QB.

[Scott Campbell]

I saw Grady go in for Henderson last night, but did he get to the QB? There isn't much speed left in those wheels. He had no rush in him when he left the Pack.



I'm pretty sure he got 1/2 a sack on one play. He collapsed the pocket pretty well on that particular play.

[KYPack]

I saw Grady go in for Henderson last night, but did he get to the QB? There isn't much speed left in those wheels. He had no rush in him when he left the Pack.


I want Williams back. We don't even know yet if Jolly can stay healthy an entire season.

EDIT: I would also be looking at what happens to "Big Ol'" Grady Jackson after this season as well. Damn he looked good in the game against Pitt. The difference between him and Pickett is Grady doesn't just hold the point, he collapses the pocket on his way to the QB.

Yeah, but you didn't see anybody going thru the A gap. Gravy was in there sopping up the gravy. That guy still holds the point as good as any DT in the game. He gets run off teams cause he's such a fat slob, but the big man can still play.