Does he come off worse? I guess he does, but you're right that it's for bad judgement, not necessarily spousal abuse. I just can't shake the vision of something you posted when this came out
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I mean, he obviously hit her hard. I wasn't trying to say she was faking it. His story is he popped her once in retaliation and she never lost consciousness. She obviously didn't like it and wanted to make a stink so he'd get arrested. Again, this story is three degrees removed from someone that stands to gain by lying in the first place, but after hearing it, and then watching the video again, I see it.
I don't buy the angle that women are so weak they can't possibly hurt a man, but if a mighty man lays a finger on a woman, he's the devil. (Free Stephen A. Smith lol) Physical violence that is without justification is wrong, but I don't see him as being psychologically abusive to her, which is the lasting legacy of perpetuated domestic violence.
Neither of them had a good reason to hit the other, ergo they are both wrong. It's just that one of them is famous.
I don't buy the idea that woman cannot do harm or be the aggressor either.
However, if that is the case, given the dispute about money, gambling and drinking, why is he still there?
And while we can't know everything, regardless of her attributes, she is the one on the ground when the punching stopped. When you are in a situation with a woman where that is what it takes to end an argument, its time to go away.
No argument there. He won the stupid championship.
I am officially enjoying the Johnny Manziel era. If he was on the Packers, it would be more of a mixed bag, though there would be no QB controversy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_a...ature=youtu.be
In suspension related development, Aldon Smith is gone for 9 games.
PFT thinks that by waiving his appeal, Smith may have negotiated a lesser punishment (though apparently the 49ers thought it would be less than 9) and the ability to work out and meet with the team while suspended.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-legal-system/
Pretty lenient of the league to allow him to practice and attend meetings...
49ers' Ray McDonald arrested on domestic violence charges. Victim reportedly was his pregnant fiancee. Several other players were in attendance. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...151554178.html
last year I would have noted that seattle and san fran were the two elite teams going into this year
I am scratching san fran; that team is chaos...complete chaos.....their coach hardly wants to be there and is feuding about a contract....they lost their best lb for much or all of the yr due to injury...aldon smith is now suspended, and now this
this team is a mess.
I now think the three teams who I can see going to the big show are seattle, green bay, and the saints
seattle would still seem to be the favorite imo but the other two would not surprise me since repeats are such a rarity
Chiefs sign Alex Smith to a 4 year 68 million dollar extension with guarantees of 45 million. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ract-extension
Has he passed Andy Dalton as the Most Overpaid QB?
I've always felt Bucky Brooks at NFL.com was a terrible football analyst. He has now taken it to a new level:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ack-situations
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Cutler could be the most talented quarterback in the league, but injuries have kept him from fulfilling his potential as a leader in Chicago. The vet has missed 13 starts over the past four seasons, and his absences have derailed the Bears' title hopes.
Most talented from the neck down, maybe. But Cutler was healthy at the end of the season, as was Rodgers. The Bears are just very flawed on the other side of the ball and have no depth behind their top 2 WRs.
Raiders just announced rookie Derek Carr will start at QB over Matt Schaub in week1.
If I were a QB and the team hired Kyle Shanahan as its Offensive Coordinator, I would hold out until traded.
If Lindsay Jones is not confused and means what its supposed to mean, Johnny Manziel did not run the zone read at Texas A&M.
Browns prepared to deploy 'Johnny Package' for Manziel
Welker suspended 4 games for amphetamine use. Typical.
Its OK though. The speed was just used to cut his MDMA.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...entucky-derby/
Best Manziel Tweet ever?
Chris B. Brown @smartfootball 25m
judgment issues? RT @rodger_sherman: Underrated really weird thing: Johnny Manziel committed to play for Mike Sherman
SI_DougFarrar @SI_DougFarrar 29m
Less this dude, more @gregcosell, please RT @mikefreemanNFL: Hoge called Manziel "a juvenile punk."
Hoge has lots of opinions on QBs and I cannot recall many. I really want to see this come back and bite him in his ass.
Merrill lives around here & I really like the guy, I've met him several times at golf outings and Krogers.
People on here are really on his ass and I think most of those people are stupid.
That said Hoge said in Brian Brohm's rookie year that Brohm would replace ARod as GBP QB.
He ain't infallible.
How I long for the days when analysis, not entertainment, was most valued.
But when was that, anyway? I grew up watching Jimmy the Greek telling fans who and who not to bet on.
Good times, good times.
I actually liked Chris Collingsworth until he became a caricature of himself.
Revisiting the Ray Rice thing. Theres a video on TMZ. She slaps him once before they go in the elevator. He slaps her when they get inside. There on opposite sides of the elevator and she comes up on him and he either punches open or closed palm but it knocks her to the side and her head hits an elevator handrail and knocks her out. His story doesnt quite hold up to the facts, and obviously we don't know what was said, there it is.
Actually, that is about how I envisioned it after the post we had that they both had been physical. I still think the punishment was light, but I would be surprised if it changes the suspension.
Twitter has the Ravens saying they (and the League) had been denied access to this video by the police, but that the version of the story Rice gave them was consistent with the new video.
WHOOPS!
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 2m
NFL couldn't get video from prosecutor. NFL could have gotten video from Rice's lawyer, who has it. We reported this in August.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 2m
Rice's lawyer had absolute right to video as part of discovery process in criminal prosecution.
If he is not projecting this theoretical possession, Florio has a great point. Which is another example of why its nice to have him around, even if he is a bonehead most other times.
He's gone.Quote:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 47s
Big news from @mortreport: Ray Rice released. Finished with Baltimore.
Does it? When I watch, this is what I see:
1. she walks by him and slaps him in the face
2. they get in elevator, he says something to her, and hits her, looks like in the face as well
3. he moves to other side of elevator
4. she runs at him, her head snaps around (can't see the blow, but he must've hit her) and she goes down
btw wow was she OUT. Not groggy, disorientated or anything, out cold.
She hits him before he even enters the elevator and then lunges at him grom across the elevator when theyre inside. He never moves toward her and only strikes her when she comes at him. He is definitely in the wrong, but she was part of it. Also, a good deal of the damage he inflicted was collateral - she strikes her head by coincidence when she falls.
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Watch when he comes into the elevator - he goes to her, looks like he gets in her face and yells at her, then slaps her in the side of the head or something. Then he moves to the other side of the elevator and she lunges. As far as collateral damage - he caused her to go down, so he's responsible for that too.
Can you guys please explain to me why it is he's just supposed to dtand there and endure whatever it was she intended to do to him as hes cornered in a moving elevator? Keep in mind I already conceded his response was excessive.
I have personal experience in this area.
I was physically abused by my ex-wife. She would hit me, slap me, yell at me. You name it she did it. I always thought it would get better. She would promise that she would change.
Then one night she hit me again in our bedroom. I pinned her against our bed and had my arm cocked to hit her as hard as I could right in the mouth. I remember looking at my fist and saying to myself this is not who I am. I let go of my wife and slept downstairs on the couch. The next morning I removed all of my personal items and moved out of the house. I tried to get her to go to counseling. I had to have many long talks with my pastor before I filed for divorce.
To say Ray Rice had a reason to hit that woman is bullshit. He was in complete control of his actions and like Jay-Z could have deflected the attack and gotten out of the elevator.
No shit ThunderDan. Its clear his response was wrong. The problem I have is that people seem to tjink his mistake erases her mistakes. Its dumb as shit and extremely annoying.