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I don't want him be afraid of taking the chance...stepping outside the box...and signing the free agents who have hit the open market....and yes...WILL cost draft picks. Before this year, it's been 5 years per NFL Network since we participated. So perhaps on an annual or semi annual basis would be cool. And when you do a shit job drafting defense.....let's look there
DISCLAIMER....I know he nabbed Peppers and Cook....and I gave TT kudos
And on that rare occasion where he dipped into the open market, he's done well with Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett
its almost like you can't always get what you want.
You already said that.
You should go with a medium variant.
But if you try sometimes....
I hope I'm not being referred to as a TT nut hugger or nut bugger for what its worth. I've had my tent set up in the get rid of TT camp on a coule occasions before, but that doesn't mean my opinion can't change when the man does something I agree with. My last issue was that he didn't use FA effectively. I've said this example before, so i'll do it again for Zools sake. Haha! When a FA signs with another team for a minimal deal and said he was just waiting for a phone call from GB (Danny Trevethan). That is when I have an issue. Maybe the guy signs a more friendly deal bc he wanted to play here? Who knows? A simple phone call wasn't made. At that point I didn't feel he was fulfilling his job requirements. And was fine with showing him the door.
However, it sounds to me like some of you think you can fill every hole through free agency. Sorry, that is not how this game is played by the majority of winning teams. And quite frankly, I think you are letting your built up frustration take control of your keyboard. Like I previously mentioned, I've been mad at TT for past free agency periods. But I'm pretty happy with this one so far. And hopeful more help is on the way either soon or in the FA period after the draft once we see what help is coming from the draft. I know mock drafts are silly, but I saw a 4 round one from Rueter that had us taking R1 Guard Forrest Lamp R2 CB Fabian Moreau R3 RB D'Onta Foreman and R4 OLB Vince Biegel. Any draft similar to this would address lots of the needs I see people TT wanting to sign FAs for. There are a couple of plug and play Guards in this draft that would fill the hole Lang left. Not right away of course, but plenty of Guards come in the league now and dominate. Zach Martin, DeCastro, etc. Nobody even gives thought to the improvement Spriggs and Barclay will make with another full year in the NFL weight room and getting healthy. Thought I read somewhere that MM thinks Barclay played hurt last year and is better than he showed. But some of you here talking like TT doesn't have a clue to what he's doing and doesn't have a contingency plan and yadda yadda really make yourselves look foolish. Yes its fun to come on here and give our 2 cents and complain about this or complain about that. But to say one of the top 5 GMs in the NFL doesn't have a plan, or isn't looking ahead 1,2, probably even 3 and 4 years into the future, is laughable to me. Thank you for the entertainment you are providing.
I understand the frustration because I've had it as well. There is a small part of me that wants TT to sign AP, just so I can buy a Peterson jersey and wear it every time my best friend wears his ugly purple Favre jersey. He's been a Vikings fan since Warren Moon. Thats besides the point. At least 3 different players will be playing for this team this year that played for other teams last year. That has to be a record for a TT team. And to think, some of you are giving TT a fail grade for the FA period. :shock:
Darryl revis could be had effectively for free. Would he be any assistance as our three or four cb?
Also great post bzndallas
2018 Comp Picks so far:
Nick Korte @nickkorte 4h4 hours ago
So, Packers currently have a 3rd, 5th & 2 6ths for 2018 compensatory picks, Raiders have 5th & three 6ths.
https://t.co/0HRRa7uOrO
For the record, I am more disappointed in the FA that were packer players and got away this year. Than I am about any he didn't sign. Mainly Tretter and Lang.
I can kinda see why Tretter is gone. He wanted a chance to start and he is a better tackle than guard and we seem to have more tackles than open spots on the line. I was really sorry to see Lang go. His absence makes RG the biggest hole on the offense. I know Lacy is gone but IMO RB is one of the few positions where a rookie can come in and contribute right away.
Funny thing about Ted Thompson. I've pretty much always been a detractor of him, but when it comes down to each individual decision - who to sign/who to let go, I most of the time have to agree with him. Lang, Tretter, and Hyde went for more money than it woulda been a good idea to pay. I'm glad he let Lacy and Jones go. He may have gotten more with less in the TE situation. He didn't really overpay to retain Perry. I would have liked to see him pick up a top quality Corner, but none of them have stood out as bargains. He signed my guy, Jayrone Elliot. Getting Barwin might have been nice, but I think we will be OK without him.
There's still several Corners out there worth considering, and I'd be pleased to see us pick up Adrian Peterson cheap (not Lynch or Blount).
The Packers have money to spend. When you let your free agents go and leave money left over you bet that guys like Rodgers are then looking to get a cpntract upgrade especially if you are not spending it on the players that are going to make a run to the Super Bowl a little bit easier. I would think that having Lang at guard verse Spriggs or Barclay would give the Packer more protection for Rodgers, and sustain the running game. I might be wrong, but cutting Josh Sitton opened the door to Lane Taylor who statistically was the worst out of the five starting linemen. He was covered up because the other 4 of them were pretty good. I am sure that Taylor will be a bit better this upcoming season but now the Packers have to take the hit on introducing a new full time starter to the offensive line.
I agree that Lang got more money than he was worth but Lang filled a need and he was let go, and now the Packers go into the draft with far too many needs for a Super Bowl contending team.
So if you agree Lang got more than he was worth, then you find another option. If a plug and play G is drafted in Rd1 or 2 and the position is filled, then you just raised your blood pressure for no reason. Last time I checked the NFL allows different ways to improve your team in an offseason. Do you really not understand filling EVERY hole in FA doesn't work?
if they draft a guard early they're ignoring the D that NEEDS ALL THE HELP. that would be malpractice. they had a great guard and let him go. now they're weaker there and the oline has less depth now too. way to take a step back. you can't take care of all your needs in the draft...not if your goal is to win a SB anyway.
Never said you can fix everything in the draft. Pretty sure if you reread my posts I'm talking about utilizing ALL avenues to improve this team. Some of y'all want it ALL done via FA. Once more, the good teams don't do it that way. From a fan base who is used to sitting idle during this time, you'd think there'd be a party for 3 non packer free agent signings. Has everybody forgotten about the FA period after the draft? You can make your team better then as well.
Bob McGinn @BobMcGinn 6h6 hours ago
CB Davon House's 1-yr, $2.8M deal with GBP ($850K guar) includes $850K S-bonus, $1.5M base, $300K per-game rost bonus and $150K w'out bonus.
didn't say you did, sorry. it wasn't really directed at you. i was just addressing the guard position you mentioned. i agree that all avenues need to utilized. we weren't that far off and on D that a couple of positions could have taken care of in FA. had they been the draft could be a little more diversified but as the D wasn't addressed the draft will have to be more focused.
Aaron WilsonVerified account @AaronWilson_NFL 7h7 hours ago
Packers and Browns showing interest in former Cardinals, Cal defensive back Josh Hill
http://gnb.247sports.com/Bolt/Report...-Hill-51877037
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Hill signed with the Cardinals as an undrafted free agent back in 2013. However, he was cut from the team in August of that year and never signed on with another team. Hill currently works as a personal and athletic trainer in Houston and has worked with different NFL players and prospects over the years.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Aaron Rodgers and his mobility make all O Linemen, past, present, and future, that have blocked for him BETTER - much better. That, and it's a helluva lot easier to be a "good" Guard than a "good" Offensive Tackle. Take Barclay (please take him hahahaha), horrible at OT but tolerable at G. My preference would be to use Bulaga at RG and to hope Spriggs plays up to the potential they say he has as a Tackle. Running less - mainly as a change of pace - also will make the O Line at least seem better with the element of surprise.
I would agree, we still have more question marks than we should on defense, but on offense, we should be even more solid than before even if there is no help from free agency or the draft.
I think most of the frustration comes from the fact that TT doesn't fill defensive positions of need that he and the organization have proven to be completely inept at evaluating, drafting, and developing.
The problem with this team is, and always will be, defense. Signing some competent defenders that would fill holes would go a long way toward getting us to another SB, but Ted simply won't admit that he hasn't a clue how to build a defense.
I totally get that Wist. And I bet if you polled the forum the majority would want added help on the defense too. I'm all for that, we're not advocating against that argument. But I can be mad at TT for one thing, and like him for something else he does. Nobody here has ever written (at least that I've read) that TT is perfect, or even the best GM in the league. So he's going to have deficiencies, like we agree, him building a defense. But let's give him credit for bringing House back. That's one less hole to fill, and let's them take a CB further down in the draft and hopefully focus on a plug and play Guard or Edge player earlier. The FA TE signnings mean zero or late draft picks get used on that position. And other positions move up the need portion of the draft board.
I haven't heard anyone complain about the mediocre at best ILB's lately. Is everyone just assuming that TT will never fix that problem either?
the Packers o-line was the number 1 pass blocking line last year according to pff. don't think they count scramble plays in their calculations/grades of o-lines. i think the o-line makes HIM better. his mobility extends plays, gives wrs extra time to get open. we've seen him with shitty lines and or wrs that can't get open. it's not pretty.
Just from this last draft, Kenny Clark doesn't count? From the draft before, Rollins and Randall? From before that HHCD? It seems to me that the top pick or two usually addresses a need that year or one that will be coming up soon. I for one don't lament the pick of Jordy Nelson though it wasn't a need at the time.
I actually agree with this. They get guys who seem to flash a lot of potential but rarely does a guy stick long term. It's not for a lack of trying though. I don't have hard numbers, but it seems like the O draft picks pan out at a much higher rate than the D draft picks.
It does seem like his defensive picks hit less than his offensive ones. And the guys that don't like TT will tell us that's more reason to bring in defensive FAs. However that deters from the develop part of draft and develop system. And when draft and develop is your forte, it seems prohibitive to bring in those players.