I have too much going for now with a committed girlfriend, a solid job, and 13/16 done with school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freak Out
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I have too much going for now with a committed girlfriend, a solid job, and 13/16 done with school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freak Out
No, it makes him a useless dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJZiggy
People make their decisions of what they want to be and should accept the consequences of their actions. Life isn't fair. They should deal with it and move on.Quote:
He's generalized repeatedly. Apparently being in the jobs that these working folk have to take because they don't have his education isn't good enough (re: the grocery checker). His respect for those working people seems to stop at the middle class which he's also mentioned specifically in the thread. He might have mentioned those people who work, but he's also talking about giving up on the programs and services that help those very working people.
whoa whoa whoa... I am saying they don't deserve any more money pumped into social programs and whatnot trying to change their ways because its futile. Failure breeds failure. They have laziness engrained in them. Ask Michelle if she knows how many times a day her nephew gets hit up for coin on a typical day. It's disgusting frankly.Quote:
His generalization was a gross generalization in which he's also suggested that the people who live in impoverished areas are not deserving of basic services because they don't make enough to pay taxes.
Exactly what I have been saying in a far more elegant way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
You know, that is one thing that I hate about Madison. Tyrone is implying that he is superior because he came from a rich family and went to Madison. That's bullshit. It's a good school and all, but I sure as hell am smarter than my girlfriend who graduated with a 3.9 gpa in biology from there.
It's actually kind of an interesting parallel because it shows how irrelevant brains are and how important is. I could get the same degree from UWM as her and I'd make 10k-30k less per year than her simply because she'll have the UW crest on her diploma and I wouldn't.
Definitely shows the value of hard work imo. You start young and the fruits will pay off later.
Unless you go for engineering, then going to any number of schools would get you more money.
Partial, are you really so myopic that you've missed Tyrone's point this horridly? I would be sad to think so but you've proven his point quite effectively.
how did this thread turn into a Partial blog? this cult of personality that has arisen is quite something, Partial is the new Barak Obama.
Yes he can! Yes he can! Yes he can! (No he can't! No he can't No he Can't!)
I don't know about the Dakotas, our own forum has a unpleasant record with Dakotans, but Montana is very cool. Beautiful country, lots of beautiful people escape there. I think working people should be settled in Indiana & Ohio where they can be with their kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
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Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
While I don't think that is universally true, I do believe there is some truth there. At some point you are just enabling un-desireable behavior by making it easier to work the system than to work a job.
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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
I doubt there is any way to convince you either. You're going to vote for whoever promises you the most "free" money, and complain about those who contribute 100x what you do to the tax base for having the audacity to keep any of their earnings.
JustinHarrell, get your own thread to tell your story. This thread is for all things Partial.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
Who said anything about "giving them money?" And while you're talking about working the system, can you tell me how the system's working or are you criticizing based on assumptions or based on how the system worked 20 years ago?
I like that "audacity to keep" part, makes me think of Barak's "Audacity of Hope" book. Maybe there is a book in it for you, if not a Presidential bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
You speak in extreme stereotypes, like Rush, about the lazy poor and liberals who want free stuff from the government and confiscatory taxes for the doers. What would you think about getting beyond this silly name calling and talking about real policy?
Do you reject progressive taxes? Do you want rich and poor to pay the same tax rate? What do you think the facts are today? Do you really think the person earning $40,000 as a Radio Shack manager, working 60 hours per week, is paying a larger or smaller percentage of their income on taxes than you do?
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Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
Great story Nick. I'm not very religious, but I too have a belief in the "teach a man to fish" school of thinking. That truly helps people. That is not giving away "free" money, but rather (much like education) is truly an investment in people that stands a chance of paying dividends over time.
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Originally Posted by MJZiggy
I work under the "assumption" that the government is extremely inefficient, and often corrupt. Put a dollar in, and watch it shrink to a nickel by the time it comes out the other side and goes to those they intended to help. I don't believe the government should be in the retirement planning business - Social Security - because they will screw it up.
I still believe in trickle down economics, and think the 80's investment tax credit programs spawned unprecedented start up business, job creation and spending that fed our economy for decades. So if Ronald Reagan was an extremist, then I guess I am too. The naturally occurring tax base that this type of policy creates is far more valuable than raising taxes so the government can fund additional programs.
The poverty described here is a social problem. I don't believe the government is responsible for solving all social problems with mandatory tax increases. I don't believe the government is capable of solving all social issues with mandatory tax increases.
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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
The Radio Shack manager is paying a larger percentage of their income on taxes than I do. They're also paying a higher percentage of their income on gas too. So in the spirit of our progressive tax code, maybe we should start another government program so there is a sliding price per gallon at the pump based on their ability to pay.
I think people are strong overall. Maybe someone isn't as smart or talented as the next guy, but hard work is more important than just about any natural gift. Any of us can do just about anything we want.
What inspires people to achieve? If someone is lacking a base in common sense, what motivates them to make it better? I believe the will to survive and reproduce is the strongest trait just about every person has. I believe the best solution to the poverty problem is to use what just about all people naturally have. Set up a situation that survival isn't given. You think people are going to drop dead? NO!! They will work their asses off and through the hard work and structure they start devising ways to make it even better. Maybe they'll never get out of their hole but by working to earn everything they have they'll learn common sense. They'll see how the people who got futher made it and they'll tell their kids "hey, I worked harder than I had to and ended up with less than a bunch of people. I'll tell you what, son, you shoot for the stars and do whatever you want in life. If you work your ass off to get there and it iwll happen." Then his kid grows up inspired to achieve and in one generations time, that families problem is solved and all we did is let him do what he was born to do, survive.
The answer is not pity or condecention (if that's a word). Awwww, those poor people, they don't know any better. They have it so hard. They're black. They're poor. Blah blah blah. Know what I say, I say they're strong. They'll make it and in 20 years, their kids will take your kids job because they are inspired to make their lives the best it can be and are willing to work tirelessly to get it. If you're in the middle or upper middle class, you should be happy for these programs. These programs insure people will never learn and by never learning, you (and yoru kids) will have less competition for jobs. I care about poor people though and by caring, I don't mean I pity them and want to hold down. What I mean is I understand they don't know but I believe they are strong enough to learn.
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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
Just so we are clear, I am a proponent of people keeping more of their own earned money, and spending and investing it as they see fit.
You are for the government taking it away, involuntarily and without permission, so that elected leaders like George Bush and Dick Cheney can take care of us all by spending or investing it as they fit.
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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
Well there you go again, trying to tie me to Rush with more rhetoric.
Sometimes people end up where they are in life by accident. But many of us end up where we are in life because of choices we make. Poverty is not always accidental. Wealth is not always accidental.
I think your views on big government are in perfect alignment with your previous difficulties in the forum regarding accepting personal accountability.
If you recognize that lower income people are paying a higher percentage of taxes, than what is your complaint? Why shouldn't people at the bottom want to change the system to get richer people to pay a fairer share?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
I would be satisified with a flat tax rate because the reality of our so-called progressive taxes are so regressive.
I compare you to Rush just because you sound so similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
I have ZERO interest in demonizing the poor or wealthy. In order to talk about a more fair, transparent system, you have to strip away all that rhetoric.