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04-04-2006, 09:36 PM
Oscar

SO it is said to let him play the six games??? So what soes that say to the other recievers that busted ASS through camp and the first ten games of the season??I'm lost here.. I'm going for a beer.. :neutral:
04-04-2006, 09:38 PM
Rastak

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Originally Posted by Partial

Then let him rot and franchise him. If he shows what it takes to be in the top 5 number 1s in the league, somebody will give a first rounder for him.

Moss, coming off a mooning and massive embarrassment to his franchise not to mention a grotesque sum of money netted the vikings a starting linebacker and the #7 overall pick in what was deemed the deal of the century.

If I am the Packers, I don't accept anything less than the Broncos #22 pick. I let him play his 6 games and show that he still has it so he makes the big bucks, or I let him fake an injury. Either way, what I do right now is I tell Javon he will be franchised, and if he wants a long term deal he had better come in ready to perform. That would be the best thing they could do. Since this season has already started, they cannot change any rule that would prohibit this.

So let me get this straight, he sits for 10 weeks then comes back and fakes an injury. You STILL don't know if he's 100%. Next year you franchise him so he gets top 5 in the league money without having seen him play.
He doesn't sign the franchise tender until the last minute missing all of camp for the second straight year. He gets "hurt" soon after and makes about 7 mil. Does this make sense?
04-04-2006, 09:41 PM
Partial

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.
04-04-2006, 09:45 PM
MJZiggy

Correction: It's tough to find a big, physical receiver THAT CAN PLAY. No one knows if he can still play. He could take one hit and legitimately reinjure and never make it back.
04-04-2006, 09:46 PM
Rastak

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.

I don't think you can deal him until he signs the tender, which he'd wait until the season starts. All that F'ing around for a 2nd round pick?

Okay, sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
04-04-2006, 09:50 PM
Murphy37

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.
04-04-2006, 09:54 PM
Partial

This is Javon Walker. One of the best, hardest working, physical specimens in the NFL. No doubt in my mind he returns better than ever.

He easily is worth a mid-first round pick. You trade him under the understanding the Packers get a first, he gets a long-term more cap friendly deal, everyone is happy.
04-04-2006, 09:54 PM
Bretsky

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.

I don't think you can deal him until he signs the tender, which he'd wait until the season starts. All that F'ing around for a 2nd round pick?

Okay, sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.
04-04-2006, 09:55 PM
Rastak

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Originally Posted by Murphy37

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

I quoted the other dude.....actually your suggestion would remove him having to fake an injury.
04-04-2006, 09:56 PM
Rastak

[quote="Bretsky"][quote="Rastak"]

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.

Yea, I have no idea how serious he is...he was full of crap last year so you may have the right approach.
04-04-2006, 09:59 PM
Bretsky

[quote="Rastak"][quote="Bretsky"]

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.

It's a calculated gamble Rastak, but one GB must take. I don't think players want to come here right now; if you let a star like JW walk after some petty whining the herd may follow.

Yea, I have no idea how serious he is...he was full of crap last year so you may have the right approach.
04-04-2006, 10:01 PM
Murphy37

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Originally Posted by Murphy37

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

I quoted the other dude.....actually your suggestion would remove him having to fake an injury.

Yeah I'm just being a juvenile smart ass as usual. I need a whole team of therapists.
04-04-2006, 10:04 PM
HarveyWallbangers

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Originally Posted by MJZiggy

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep?

It worked for Mike McKenzie.
04-04-2006, 10:07 PM
MJZiggy

I forgot. What major injury did he have before holding out?
04-04-2006, 10:08 PM
Rastak

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Originally Posted by MJZiggy

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep?

It worked for Mike McKenzie.

Ziggy is kind of right. He pulls all this then he misses 10 weeks of pay and ain't no way in hell he get's a mega deal in UFA for the reasons Ziggy mentioned.

Nobody wins.
04-04-2006, 10:08 PM
Partial

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!
04-04-2006, 10:12 PM
MJZiggy

Only if he plays his 6 and puts up some numbers.
04-04-2006, 10:14 PM
Rastak

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Originally Posted by Partial

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

A first round pick for a guy who will be seen as a complete ass? One who hasn't caught a pass in two years? Never.
04-04-2006, 10:17 PM
Partial

Randy Moss was a bigger ass. Starting linebacker and the number 7 overall pick.

Walker will play well next year. He will get a mid-first.

If he doesn't play, he'll still get a mid-first because he'll want to workout for teams and get that longterm contract.

You're smoking the reefer man, Walker is no moss, but he is definitely in the top 5 receivers and he is young in football years too.
04-04-2006, 10:19 PM
Bretsky

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Originally Posted by Rastak

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Originally Posted by Partial

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

A first round pick for a guy who will be seen as a complete ass? One who hasn't caught a pass in two years? Never.

JAVON WALKER CAN MAKE HIS OWN BED, BUT GREEN BAY DOESN"T NEED TO GET HIM A COMFORTABLE CUSHION FOR IT.

If he doesn't warrant a first, then he hasn't played well enough to get the big fat contract he craves.

Either he succeeds or his missed out on the might buck.

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