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I'm the Najeh Davenport on this wagon; Where is the Closet ????
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The Packers are voiding a year of Rodgers contract and making it way more likely Love starts in 2023. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't feel pretty good about #10.
I'd like to put half a foot in and wait until after preseason to decide which way to go.
What's better for Jordan Love? Another year learning from a GOAT and getting to develop without the pressure on or getting a couple picks for Rodgers after this year and Love getting the extra firepower to start his career?
All eyes on 10 now
Ok.
I've seen enough. Hope Love has a great career and proves me wrong, but I am on the Benkert band wagon. I don't think love has what it takes and don't think he will, something I've been watching to see for a while. Benkert won't ever be great but he doesn't have any expectations.
Thanks for your expert opinion. We can now cut Love tomorrow to help get to 80 players.
I tend to agree with what Jaire said. Love has a helluva lot to prove just to show he is significantly better than UFA Benkert. He's apparently gonna get his chance this week. Buffalo thoroughly kicked the ass of the Bears, and now we have to go to their place. If Love stands out in this game, I'm prepared to change my mind about his mediocrity, and I suspect LaFleur will give him a lot more weapons than Benkert had against the Jets. We'll see how it plays out.
I’m assuming this is a joke?
From an arm talent, mobility and decision making perspective, based on what I have seen and read, love is substantially out performing the law office. Now I don't live in GB so I don't see practices but I read and watch what is available. And I don't have the same hometown biases.
In the preseason videos i have seen love made more accurate and deeper throws. Benkurt made more checkdowns. Small sample size admittedly but there was a reason benkurt was avaiable from the falcon.
12/17 for 122 with a rd and 0 picks
26/37 for 239 with a td and 2 pick.
Which line do you take?
Both are too small to really make a decision so to me our opinions probably show our biases more than anything really.
You people think a guy who constantly trips over his OL is the future? There is no pressure on Benkert. He made a bunch of safe throws and produced very little. I think they tried to do more with Love in the first week with a wider playbook. He wasn't fabulous, but neither was Rodgers in his first two years. Love also got no help from the OL, which seemed to be a more organized group in week 2.
Benkert is a nice backup QB in this league...nothing more.
I remember a time in America where results spoke louder than...handling the delicate QBs fragile ego.
I was one of the first to be against Gutes, but 2 NFCC games and a loaded roster can't be ignored. Firing fat mike and hiring MiLF was also a great move. I as well, think drafting Love when we did was a mistake, but I also understand why it was done.
If you are hitching your wagon to Benkert over Love as a packer or in his career its very bold....and very, well, I'll be nice.
I doubt anybody sees Benkert as "the future" except maybe as the future clipboard holder. Like somebody said, he would be a decent back up. As somebody also said, the idea of Rodgers for just one more year is "ideal for Love". THAT is why, sorry to say, I can't help wanting to see Love fail miserably/get traded/whatever. Anything that gets Rodgers firmly rooted in Green Bay for the foreseeable future is what I want and should be what any Packer fan wants who likes having a winning team.
I have zero confidence in Love. It's his confidence, command in the huddle, the head stuff. Benkhert seems to have all that. And I don't think it can be learned. Kurt is limited but could get us through a year or two.
That's my meaning. The tools aren't the most important thing. I could be wrong on Love, but I've been looking for those so called "intangibles" and I really don't see it with him. So to me, at least Benkhert is a nice safety valve when Love flops.
I respect you're opinion but I feel you need to think longer and harder about even considering Benkhert a starter. He's at best currently a one or two game stop gap and likely that is his ceiling given his measureables, history and projections. Love is clearly the more talented player and was a projected high draft choice. Whether he ever pans out and fills the space between his ears with the needed vision and decision making is obviously up for debate.
It's still way too early to make an accurate assessment of him. Certainly as this season progresses we should get a much better picture of if he's NFL starter material or not.
Lastly, in reference to Tex's comments, rooting against any draft choices success (i.e against Love) is a dangerous slope to start heading down. It reeks of player worshiping versus team loyalty.
I feel the exact opposite. I love his calmness in the pocket. He's got swag, and his teammates seem to gravitate to him. Even in the one preseason game, he kept his composure--despite the OL playing poorly in front of him. That checkdown to A.J. Dillon and the pass to Sternberger being two examples. I also liked the way he easily threw "off platform".
My main concern with Love is not arm strength, accuracy, mental aptitude, leadership. It's the fact he has a bit of a windup, and I don't think he's the quickest getting the ball out. Hopefully, he can improve on that.
Harvey, I’ve never noticed a wind up. Favre had a wind up. Love is a little longer. It reminds me of when Brady throws, the motion is just a little smoother and less sudden than Rodgers. But an actual wind up, I don’t see that. A longer, smoother throwing motion though. Just not coming down and around the way you’re saying. It’s efficient but from a longer body.
My concerns are accuracy and mental aptitude. I haven't really noticed the slow throwing motion but Byron Leftwich comes to mind lol.
Love has a great arm, but to me from what I've seen it's not very accurate.
But everyone in the NFL has a pretty good arm and is reasonably accurate. The mental part is what separates the backups from the top notch starters.
Love has a really nice release. It's not as quick as Rodgers, but almost no one in the league can compare with Rodgers in that department.
If by that, ya'all mean with a little bit of polish and experience, he could be an average, maybe even slightly above average NFL QB, yeah, I suppose. To me, though, somehow that ain't quite enough. Hell, you could bring back Favre right now, and he'd be that. Aaron Rodgers in his early to mid fifties would probably still be that.
And that doesn't say anything at all about the most important factor of all: attitude/mindset/whatever not to throw interceptions. You would think Love would have a healthy dose of that by now after watching Rodgers for a year plus, but no. He put it up for grabs and threw one, and very well could have had one or two others last Saturday.
Trade Love to some team that would be satisfied with a QB of that level - get a 4th, 3rd, or if we're really lucky maybe a 2nd round pick, and just ride Rodgers as long as possible.
If this is true - and all of us hope it's not, and that Love Wins, as they say - but if it's true, then the Packers have this season to realize what Love is and to fix their mistake.
But it took me about fifty years to figure out what Love really is, so I'm not hopeful the Packers can learn that in three years.
Good watch, Harv.
I see what you mean about his throwing motion, it's fast, but it's loopy.
I thought Love’s arm talent was what I expected. He had a lot of good moments. He threw with timing and anticipation. Good footwork. All of that was maybe better than expected. He threw off platform. The negative was the two panicked throws. Hopefully, those are just rookie mistakes. When he played on schedule from the pocket, he looked calm. When things went sideways, he okay in the first game and awful in the third game. Lots of guys go through that—Favre, Manning, Allen. Overall, I was relatively encouraged. I think most outside of the Packers fans that didn’t like the pick feel the same way. We have a great situation at QB and RB. Probably the best depth chart in the league at those two positions. The pass catchers look strong. OL is encouraging, if Bakh comes back soon. I feel better about the DL, worse about the OLBs. Depth at CB (after the first 4) is disappointing. Safeties were mostly solid. Not sure how to get a read on the ILBs. Barnes looked good. Campbell didn’t play. McDuffie has his moments. Wilborn too.
Just got off the phone with Ozzie Newsome. He disagrees. As does Jim Mcmahon, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles. I'll throw in Russell Wilson (very over rated). If it wasn't for Tom Brady winning 7 of them since 2003 I could add to that list. Tom is pretty effing good, but honestly its easier when you have the #1 defense every year and play in the AFC East.
Other QBs who made the big game and lost: Tony Eason, Boomer Esiason, Stan Humphries, Neil ODonnell, Drew Bledsoe, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselback, Rex Grossman, Colin Kapernick, Jared Goff and Jimmy Garopallo.
I don't consider making it to the Owl as winning exactly nothing. And if thats all that matters I could go on and on about all the great QBs who made 1 or zero Owls.
Gannon was an MVP and Boomer Esaison was a damn good player.
Trent Dilfer had a historically good defense. Eli Manning was a very, very good player in his good years - have you forgotten his last name? Flacco also was playing great and was given the biggest contract ever given to a QB after his SB win - showing that he was a top notch QB.
The ones that are successful are outliers. I will die on this hill - if you don't have a top notch QB, you should be moving heaven and earth and cycling through them until you do.
All of that is great if you like a flash-in-the-pan/boom or bust team like most of those QBs played on. I prefer a consistent winner like what we've had for going on thirty years with Favre and Rodgers. I'll take that over say for example, 5 or 6 SB winners in 30 years along with 10-20 losing records.
CMI, I agree with your post except the part about Eli, who I never considered more than mediocre.
Is that they choke in playoffs consistently
https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...oja17bzrkfxemg
A picture of Jordan Loves looping motion that Harvey talks about.
12 benefited from that high carriage he had in college. It trained him to have a short throwing motion, almost like throwing darts with little windup. Loves is a little more common.