I’m wondering this too. Did Rasul say something that sparked this trade.
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There’s a reason they are 28th against the run. Gary is a pash rusher, who doesn’t play any outside contain or the run. Preston is just ok. Campbell was all pro 3 years ago and is a shell of that player and can’t stay healthy. Losing their best CB will hurts big time. Their safeties are trash.
I like quay, big fatty Slaton, wyatt and Iowa boy has potential and jaire when healthy.
Given all the problems on this team, I honestly don't think trading Rasul moves the needle THAT much.
They aren't a playoff contender, they aren't even a good team right now.
Trading him gives them a cheap 4 year deal from that R3 pick, $7M in cap space, and developmental snaps for Valentine.
I like Rasul and am sorry to see him go, but I don't think it's a bad deal. PFF grades or not, he got burned against DET. He's a smart guy and has good size they could have really used against Puca Nakua this week, but he's not a speedster and he gambles. He's not going to get any better than he is.
Their window is at best in 2025, he will be past his prime or likely gone by then. Gute is looking to the future with this pick. The present is a 6-7 win team at best.
the chances of them finding a player the caliber of douglas with that 3rd round picks is about 10%
add in the fact that is now our pick, and gutebag can't find shit in the 3rd and that brings it to about a 2% chance of finding a player of the same quality with that pick
Maybe he packages it with the other R3 pick to move up into R2.
Eventually they have to break this R3 curse. You'd think.
Maybe Murphy decides to shitcan everyone and a new GM benefits. Doubtful, but you never know.
they got Rasul for nothing off a practice squad, it's not like they are losing out on a big investment with him. He'd help them this year, but I think the returns on his will diminish over time.
I get why people are unhappy he got traded. I guess I'm ok with it.
Campbell was All Pro at the end of the 2021 season. Last year he was banged up but pretty damn good in 13 games. This season is 4 games old. See, when you exaggerate with "3 years ago" you lose credibility. You try and make it sound like his last good year was 3 seasons removed, when it was 1 full season ago.
1.5 for the end of the season, 2.5 from the beginning. Average is 2 years IMO. The dude is not gonna be that dude or he wouldn’t have been a street free agent.
Fluke thing like John Salmons on the Bucks or that Asian fella hooping for a minute there a few years back.
Probably the best move for the franchise, but you lose a good player who was a leader and you move up two rounds so you can decide between either your next Sean Ryan or your next Oren Burks.
Douglas is now playing for his 7th team. Great players don't move that often. It was a good trade as it adds their day 2 pick allotment.
Probably a bigger part of the move is the $$ saved on next years cap. The Packers will be eating Bahk's contract ( 19 Mil dead money cap hit ) next year. They could also end up with another 12.3 mil in dead money if they move Aaron Jones.
All that dead cap space hurts in building experienced depth on the roster. How much better would the oline be if they had the 48 million Rodgers and Amos are using on this years cap ?
So that 7 mil they save on Douglas cap hit next year will help soften the hit from Bahks eventual dead cap hit.
:) Packerrats is full of know-it-all capologists.
In 2024, Iranian Stallion’s cap hit is a bit under 40.6M. His infamous “dead cap” number, pre-June, is a bit under 19.1M.
The Packers will, in fact, gain a bit over 20M, cap-wise, simply by terminating the Iranian Stallion pre-June 1. Yeah, since the Packers are in a dreaded cap hell, gotta get rid of arguably their best corner to save 7M, you know, to soften the hit from an inevitable 20M cap saving.
And, despite the 12.3M “dead cap,” the Packers will actually gain a tad over 4.8M in cap space by terminating the beloved Jones.
He played like shit in the Lions game. Sucks to be in rebuild mode - my only wish was we could’ve dumped Jaire and Preston as well.
Except he is that dude. He plays at a very high level when he is on the field. Probably about the 15th best ILB in the NFL overall. Maybe better than that. And no, not 2.5. 1.5, He was all pro in 2021. That was the season. In 2022 he had some injury issues, but wasn't BAD when he played. That would be one season, not 2. This is 2023. He has been solid when on the field. And again, if the fatties in front of them did their job he would be even better.
7th? I guess that may be true including practice squads. So what. James Harrison was a practice squad guy who became DPoY. Rasul currently is the 10th best CB in the NFL according to PFF. He has been nothing short of stud since he has been here. By trading him you create another hole on next years roster. I understood we would suck this year and a reset was in order, but you are almost making it impossible to be competitive NEXT year.
Rasul has a contract that is actually CHEAP based on the product he brings to the team. And again, not like we straight up got a 3rd for the 10th rated CB in the NFL, we moved up about 40 spots. So we effectively probably really got a middle to late 4th for him.
Did anybody see who was waling off the field and consoling Jordan Love at the end of last weeks game ? Yes, it was Douglas...aka....one of our team leaders.
He was a very good CB for us this year and we have little behind him. If we dump Preston, we have a DE who can get a lot more time. If we dump Campbell, they have a young guy they really like in McDuffie they really like. But what is behind Douglas ?
Truth be told, what Gutebag must have found out is nobody wanted either of those guys. Regardless, we moved up in the draft about 35 slots. I'd have rather just taken a extra 4th. What Gutebag 3rd round pick would you take over Douglas ?
If you throw enough crap against the wall something is bound to stick. And Gutebag has drafted a lot of crap over the years.
And when interviewed, Gutebag gave the standard shit answer for the deal.
Gutebag can go bye bye yesterday
The move id a bit of a head to me. I wonder if he was pushing hard to get out, causing problems in the locker room, or both.
That might explain it somewhat.
We got a 3rd for a free agent - how’s that nothing?
He hasn’t been the same Rasul as 2 years ago - at least in my view. Kinda the same trajectory as Campbell (hot - then not).
And maybe he talked too much shit for the brass to handle - right or wrong.
I’ll stand by it and double down and am pissed we kept Jaire and Preston. Just like when we resigned Bacteria.
Better a year too soon. We’ll miss - like Hyde or TWill - but more the most part it works out.
For the umpteenth fucking time we did NOT GET A 3rd! We moved up about 40 spots max.
My prediction right now, you heard it here first. For years I advocated moving Micah Hyde to safety. For a year now I've advocated moving Douglas to safety. The Bills will enter the playoffs with 2 elite safeties.
Edit: And you might not believe it, but again, the PFF score had him as the 10th best CB in the entire league. Maybe their scoring favors him, but not to the point that he should be tradeable for what we just got.
Daddy, chill. I called that out in post 17. Just be loose w/ the words as I use an iPhone on the forum.
I don’t disagree at all - I think he could be a good or even really good safety.
But he was found to have more value to another team than the brass thought w/ GB. Happens a lot.
Should happen more w/ a shitty team imo.
I mean technically, we did get a 3rd. We gave up Rasul and a R5 to get it.
They'll play Rasul at CB, not S. They lost TreDavious White to injury, and Elam has been a R1 bust. They need competent players in the secondary. BUF has been hit by injuries. Milano is out for the year and they just lost someone on the DL, IIRC.
Long term he might be a good choice at S. He's smart and has size to play the position, but it would take some time to learn how to play it. Not something you do with a veteran mid-season.
I find it hard to believe he's the #10 CB according to PFF. Their grades are hardly perfect, but generally they are spot on. He hasn't been bad, but there have been a few times where he's been burned this year, and I think that will only increase as he ages.
His contract was pretty good considering his performance, so BUF is getting a good player for not much. They only have him for 1.5 seasons though, and Day 2 picks have value for the 4 year cost control on the contract if nothing else.
His comments to the media and locker room presence were NOT a reason to trade him, everyone has said as much. Rasul didn't say anything crazy that would get him traded, and he didn't pull a Ty Montgomery or anything. This was just business.
I'm a little surprised people are so upset about this. Yeah, he's still a good player on a good contract, but GB has players in Valentine and Stokes they want to get snaps and value out of.
Rasul being on the roster doesn't make this team a SB contender. He'll be gone when the next playoff contender window opens for this team, might as well get some value for him now.
I think the Bills got the better side of the deal, assuming the R3 is cursed. If they end up getting the next Aaron Jones or a very good 8 year starter at RG out of the draft with the pick then GB is the clear winner.
(What if they used the cap space from trading Rasul to sign Saquon lol?)
Personally, I'd prefer Rasul be on the roster, especially with the Rams coming to town. He's gone, they got some draft capital and cap space for him, let's move on.
SEVERAL POINTS TO MAKE: first off throw this shit out the WIndow about Rasul being traded because he was a locker room problem.
Listen to Flower's interview on this; it really sounds like he was blindsided. Then go listen to Joe Barry; he absolutely loved Rasul and was blindsided as well. While the coaches said "it was a business decision and as coaches we know this can occur" there was no effort on their behalf to note they bought into this.
Next, and this was to be expected, Rasul was blindsided. Listen to his interview. He basically said Gute called him, perhaps a bit awkward...no warmup..and said...ah we traded you. Rasul hung up on him as he thought it was a Halloween prank. Then Marcia Murphy called him and verified it was legit.
It was Tuesday, and Rasul had to go and clean his locker out and get going. Tuesday nights are bare in GB; Flower tells the players to go home spend time with their family, and get away on Tuesday nights.
So what happened this Tuesday night.....several Packers....came in....on their free time to remines with Rasul. Sounds like Aaron Jones was about the first....sounds like they chatted and cried together. Then the returner and fellow secondary players.....several young guys came in to thank Rasul, and wish him their best. Wilde, Tausch, and another Packer beat (Mike Clement I think) all noted this was pretty much unheard of after a trade. And things were very somber and that went into Wednesday.
OK, enough of my rant on this, which I still feel was a shit deal IMO.....partly because they have no quality behind him (also why I'd have been ok with Preston)
Gute threw out that shit for logistics and reference the process again.....he did this knowing it hurts Green Bay. Same Mentality as that shit Brewers Hader trade.
I don't know how else to interpret this other than...Gute really doesn't care about winning this year. We should have all seen this coming when he discussed why he was not considering bringing Mercedes Lewis back. This is a full rebuild by Gute's choice.
I'm not sure why I'm even upset.....maybe it's because I think Gute was fleeced by Buffalo. and I don't want a F'ckin 3rd round draft pick for him to draft another sack of shit with....which....is the thing Gutebag seems to consistently do well....F'ck up in round 3.
Gutebag is just embracing what I suggested we do much earlier....aka....EMBRACE THE TANK
You kill me Bretsky. Good read tho man, especially this:
“ Gutebag is just embracing what I suggested we do much earlier....aka....EMBRACE THE TANK.”
Embrace the Tank.
Embrace it
I don’t like the trade but I understand it. It makes our team worse in the short run but hopefully better longterm.
I think in Gute's mind he did move up 2 rounds. I think for Gute to make this move means he feels there is going to be real value in the 3rd round, which means a strong draft, and comp picks will give him plenty of Day 3 picks. That is likely right. Last year was considered by most a weak draft, so it's likely to be stronger this year.
Here’s an article supporting your claim:
https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/202...-missteps/amp/
Bretsky mentions one other thing that has bugged me since preseason. The decision NOT to bring back Mercedes. For me it has nothing to do with his talent on the field at this point, but you brought in 2 rookie TEs (3 with sims later) and you don't want a pros pro showing them how its done? Douglas relentlessly studied film. Didn't bother with trash talk, just let his play talk. Was a willing tackler. Everything you want the young guys to emulate....thats who we traded.
I didn't like Gutes from the start, but couldn't argue with on field success. Now I'm starting to think he doesn't know shit about building a locker room. I won't slam the door on him just yet, but the best players on our teams were TT guys (for all you TT bashers). As the TT talent left Gutes spent a ton of money to stay competitive while the young talent didn't come through. As we lost them one by one, Bulaga, Linsley, Adams, Rodgers and soon Jones and Clark we are getting worse results. Gutes ran us against the realistic stretching of the cap to keep winning, but the cupboards were bare.
So here we are, restocking. It had to happen and it will define Gutes. I like a lot of the young talent. I think we have a shot next year to be much better. But without the Rasuls and Mercedes around to teach them, it could go a totally different way.
It's like Gutebag finds no value in leaders of this young team. I never though Marcedes was a great player, but he was a Great F'cking Blocker at TE and a leader on and off the field. In the last couple weeks we had all kinds of OL forgetting their assigments and whiffing. Our rushing offense is horrible for many reasons, but not having a TE with any interest in blocking is one of the big ones.
Does Gute thing our coaching staff is so strong he places no value at all in team leaders ? I sure don't. I wasn't a fan of Gute early, and the past couple years I've flipped back and forth. But lately, I'm thinking having a HOF QB like Aaron Rodgers covered up a lot of Gutebag's deficiencies. And as an effective communicator and leader, I think Gutebag has next to nothing. And I don't wanna go back here again, but the system Marcia Murphy set up, with the people he has it it, just sucks as well.
Trading Rasul, who could have several years left of good play, for what we got, to me was a desperation move that sends terrible messages inside that locker room.
I"m on the verge, of geting the keys, boarding, and starting to sell the tickets to ride the Bye Bye Gutebag Bus with me.