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Incognito is being investigated for his role in this. No surprise there. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...an-martin-case
Is he gay? What else can grown men w Harvard pedigree get panties in bunch about via ribbing?
ok I see I was late w my assumption....
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ESPN with some allegations toward Richie Incognito for intimidating Jonathan Martin, including that he made Martin give $15k to a.Vegas trip
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A trip that Martin didn't go on, btw. ESPN says there are texts and a voicemail that show pattern of intimidation. Interesting
CBS has Incog as the main guy and Pouncey also involved...
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...uld-be-lengthy
So a rookie has to chip in on an annual Vegas Trip that is team building but he doesn't go he should still have to pay that's his right of passage. We always hear about rooks getting stuck spending cash on the vets.
$15,000. ???? Buying a turkey or snuff is one thing, but $15,000? That's flat out extortion.
How long does the guy remain a rookie? I don't know when the trip was, but I assume it was in the off season. His "rookiedom" should have stopped by then. Apparently half way through his second season, there was no let-up.
I wonder what KFC wings are costing Boyd and Jones weekly this year? Probably not a thousand a week.
Rodgers and the O lineman took Bach out to eat and gave him a phony $10,000 bill. Rodgers and Co. then teased him mercilessly for believing such an outrageous bill for 8-10 guys.
Had the totals wrong in Bach hazing dinner. It was an $11,000 dummy bill for 13 players in St. Louis during preseason. No details on how much the actual bill was.
http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/...9311&is_corp=1
On the other hand, its now easier to believe why Incognito was always voted by players as one of the dirtiest. His teammates were helping elect him.
Fuck these guys. Intimidated and threatened by a dude who is 30 IQ points smarter than they are so they attack, attack, attack.
Incognito suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins.
Based on what little that can be gleaned from this, I can't imagine Martin can return to that team. Nor can I imagine that Philbin can succeed as coach. If the league has to step in on something which should have been handled internally, I think he's lost that locker room.
Lots of speculation and emoting going on in this thread. I'll just wait for the facts.
It's quite possible that the situation isn't as sensational as it warrants. Did Martin overreact? I guess we will know when the details come out.
However, since the Dolphins suspended Incognito indefinitely, I think they owe their fans at least a cursory explanation of why they took that action. They won't provide one, probably under orders from the NFL legal brass, so we just have to wait and hope that the league will do a better job on this one than they did in the "Bounty-gate" scandal.
I can't imagine they would have suspended Incognito "indefinitely" without clear evidence of actions very much over the top of what is acceptable. They have to be very sure about what went on, and it must have been extreme.
It must have been extreme for a guy to react like he did and feel he had to leave the premises. Philbin has a big mess on his hands and he didn't handle it well at all. I can't imagine Joe had no clue this kind of crap wasn't going on.
racially themed threats left by incognito via text message and voice mail
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/j...-investigation
Ya, Philbin could be in trouble.
I've been trying to remember, there was a story several years ago about one of the Packer assistants who had a severe speech impediment as a child (stuttering??), and my recollection is that it was Philbin. Does anyone else remember the article? If it was Philbin, you would think he might be more intuned to harassment/bullying issues, because he probably experienced them as well.
I don't know. If Martin doesn't come forward with specifics (that it does now look like he has provided), no one else will do so. That leaves the team in the dark even if they know there is a player in trouble. Its a tough thing to look into if the primary source of info is clammed up.
Doesn't make them look very bright though. It should not have been outside of their power to make Martin feel comfortable enough to share the info earlier. But we don't know what he had previously told the team. In cases like this it always seems like people share only a portion of what they know even when in trouble.
Do you think there is a chance people take this plus his child's death and decide he isn't really capable of handling complex management tasks?
Because while I do get a great guy vibe from Philbin, esp. from those who liked him with the Packers, I also get a troubled sense as well. Though that might only be because of two very noticeable, public incidents.
If he wins like Andy Reid, I suspect most will forget.
I did see a couple articles last week that mentioned Martin had complained to the team previously. What that means, I have no clue. I don't expect them to provide details, nor do I think they should. Yesterday, articles mentioned that on Sunday, Martins representatives made formal complaints to the team, and shortly thereafter Incognito was suspended. Again, I don't expect details to be provided.
It's a messed up situation. I would hope a coach has better insight into his locker room than to let something like this fester for a year and a half. I would also hope that team leaders would step in before something got out of control. Even if Martin was thin-skinned, he is a team mate, and a line should be drawn by team leaders to protect him from a complete breakdown as occured.
Maybe the supposed bullying was extreme.....or maybe Martin is emotionally unstable.
Sorry, I don't buy the racial accusations. Richie Incognito's been a pro for 9 years in a sport that is what, 60-70% African-American? If he's this horrible person how come we haven't heard of it before now? How come we haven't heard about his former teammates or coaches making the same charges in the past?
Bill Romanowski was confronted after his spitting incident. Riley Cooper was confronted after his video of the N-word. And so a dangerous racist bully would sneak through for 9 years? No, sorry, don't think so.
Black players hear the N-word and worse things from their Black teammates EVERY DAY in practice or in the game because that's their vanacular. Same with most lyrics in Hip-Hop.
The media would love to make it racial so it fits their favorite template but I would really be surprised if the charges of racial harassment are accurate.
Well, the cost of living in Miami is higher than Green Bay (or St. Louis):
Report: Miami rookies 'ATMs' for vets
A $30,000 rookie dinner. Rookies paying for excursions to strip clubs. This is about to get stupid as every club club outing will be reported as an example of players out of control.
Didn't they just bring Bryant McKinnie to the team?
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Rookies have to pay for this until the next rookies come, have you ever been apart of a team? We had initiation in both Football in HS and Rugby in college. I didn't have to spend $15k but did pay a shot tab of $100 and in college that WAS $15k.
Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree
Is Richie Incognito's Dad Blasting Jonathan Martin On Message Boards?
http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incogn...n-m-1457997230
Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinsHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.
My thought is the coaching staff should have a much better feel for what was going on than they apparently did. Not having that finger on the pulse of the team suggests a certain cluelessness which bodes not well.
More concerning for the team, IMO, is at least some of the players thought that this was acceptable, or at the very least, thought they could get away with treating a teammate (s) in such a shoddy fashion. This suggests a lack of accountability on the team. It suggests a lack of leadership. It suggests a lack of common purpose, of direction, again, of leadership. Again, that reflects poorly on Philbin.
But it's all speculation at this point, we'll see what comes out in the next few days.
Most people seem to be acknowledging the rookie tax and are fine with it. The problem here, from what I understand, is that it went well beyond that in terms of time and money. It'd be more like you paying $100 for shots, then $200 for a meal, $150 for a couple of hotel rooms on a different weekend, etc, etc.
Well, that will be the rub as this story gains traction and heads over to the news division. In fact, I predict I will be mad at ALL general coverage of this issue by Wednesday.
This type of conduct IS normal to a point. All rookies pay for dinners. Packers have done this with Bach and with Jones and Boyd and KFC wings for the D lineman..
And I suspect the $30,000 dinner being reported in the Miami press isn't quite the story it sounds like. More than one rookie might have been paying and it could have been a dummy bill like Bach's experience. We also don't know how many people attended and eventually kicked in for it.
The difference would seem to be with Incognito that he got the money from someone not going on the trip and got the money by sending messages that I am sure he now regrets. Its hard to haze someone when they are not present. That crosses the line from prank to blackmail. You can't call it a bonding ritual when the kid isn't there.
Well, here is someone who could be Incognito's Dad putting fuel into the furnace. Either that or a fantastic troll effort.
http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incogn...n-m-1457997230
There are details about how they trace this account to Incognito's Dad, but you should also be aware that before the complaint was lodged and evidence turned over and the suspension handed down, the poster thought the NFLPA would not touch this investigation with a ten foot pole because Martin has tried to commit suicide three times and all the Dolphins brass knows all about it.Quote:
Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS." He blasts the team from top to bottom, claims Incognito is getting railroaded, and uses the "black people say the N-word in rap music" argument to dismiss claims that Incognito sent racial messages to Martin. He also implies that Martin has pondered suicide, and "does not belong in an NFL locker room."
The NFL: soap opera for men.