The way it stands, it’s a 4 year, 36M per year deal to whoever takes him. It’s not a bad deal.
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It's a one year deal (max two), 60 million per year. You're looking at the payment spread out, but what really matters is cash cost.
edit: I believe Woody Johnson already publicly offered first round picks (without consulting JD, lol). I'm guessing it's the money more than picks. But we'll see how it shakes out.
lol. Rich Eisen is publicly negotiating for Jets. Rodgers, I definitely noticed, was doing some public negotiating too on the Pat Mac show. We'll see who blinks
On over the cap it shows post june 1 cap savings of 8million. I hope we don't have to listen to this that long
They, The Packers, would be foolish to let it slide past this draft. Besides, the Jets owner WANTS RODGERS BAD! It will happen and the JETS will pay. At some point Woody Johnson will tell Douglas to make it happen. Would I give up a first for a guy who might only play 1 year ? NFW
But the beauty of this whole situation is the Jets only other option is Lamar Jackson and that path requires a ton of guaranteed money and 2 firsts for a guy who has issues staying healthy.
I'd take a 2023 R2, R4 and a conditional 2024 R2 that becomes a R1 if Rodgers is MVP or NYJ win the SB, but voids if neither happens AND he retires after 2023.
You're trading the contract more than the player at this point.
I know people are talking about Stafford or R.Wilson levels of comp, but given he could retire at any point and his contract has so much guaranteed cash (and the NYJ cap situation) there has to be some compromises made.
I wouldn't trade Rodgers for a single R2 (or lower) pick, that's basically like if someone else tries to sign Yosh Njiman. Throw in a bunch of conditionals on the picks to protect each side.
Agree the NYJ don't have a lot of leverage and will be motivated to get this done. I highly doubt Woody Johnson is going to give everyone the middle finger and go sign Matt Ryan or Marcus Mariota at this point.
Anything less than a Herschel Walker type trade - at least three first rounders and more besides, and this is a bonehead stupid move by Gutekunst - flushing the team down the drain for his own ego. Even all that wouldn't satisfy me, and of course, they're not gonna get that much in trade. Even though the Packers would seem to have most of the leverage, ultimately they probably fuck up this aspect of the situation too and get crap like some of ya'all are pathetically ready to be satisfied with.
I don't see why everyone thinks the Packers have leverage. They *want Rodgers out of the building* for sure. They definitely do not want him coming to training camp, etc. I don't really think they have any leverage. That said I think it should be easy to hammer out a trade for an R2 and call it a day. There is no need to be a dingle berry, the proper thing to do would be to cut Rodgers loose like the Colts did Manning.
Packers have some leverage because they're in no hurry as long as the trade happens before the draft. The Jets and their fans on the other hand want their new QB in the building. The sooner Rodgers is a Jet the sooner they can start selling Rodgers jerseys.
So at this point in time, Tex can channel his inner Monte Python and say "I'm not dead yet".
Meanwhile I'll channel my inner Annie Savoy and say "JH musta called him a cocksucker" Anyone?? Annie Savoy? She is the inspiration of all my Fantasy baseball teams names. "Annie Savoy's Boy Toys"
I do think GB has more leverage than NYJ:
A chunk of their fan base actively wants Woody Johnson to sell the team
Robert Saleh/Joe Douglas have a 11-23 record together and Zach Wilson as their QB. Their seats are warming up.
All this offseason cocktease with AR basically has set expectations with the fanbase
AR flat out says he wants to be a Jet
All those factors put a lot of pressure to get a deal done. If they don't they look incompetent.
GB will want to trade him before the draft, if they can't agree they also look stupid and greedy, and if there's anything GB hates it's bad PR of any kind. They are under some pressure as well but not as much.
If Rodgers isn't traded and retires before June 1 he counts $40M against the cap - same as if traded. If he retires after June 1 they can split across seasons... again, I believe that is same as if traded after June 1. As mentioned I think they get a deal done before the draft; they will want to exercise the 5th year option on Love in early May and they don't have the cap room for all this shenanigans.
It's possible Rodgers restructures his contract, but I doubt it. I think he's trying to keep things amicable but there are some hurt feelings and he's not likely to go out of his way to do GB any favors.
I'd like to see GB get as much as they can for Rodgers -- he's one of the all-time great Packers and he still has something in the tank. He'll certainly feel like he has something to prove. I'm not confident they'll pry away this year's R1 pick from the Jets, but I do think GB needs multiple picks and the more young talent they can accumulate around Jordan Love the better. If the future starts now, they better get to building it.
I still think we get a 1 & a 2, I would be fine with the 1 next year. The Packers can wait as the money doesn't really effect the club this year. Giving Love the 5th year option does not effect the cap this year. The JETS are under pressure to get Rodgers in the building I would think, they saw what happen last year as did all of us, Rodgers will need time with the new wide outs or he'll have similar results as our losing record last year. My 2 cents
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ACME seems to think the Packers have the Jest by the balls. I do not agree. Sure, the Jets are screwed if they can't get Arod, but the Packers are screwed, too. Imagine if they can't get the trade done before the draft. Rodgers starts saying well, if he's not going to be traded, he'd like to come to camp in Green Bay. Meantime, the Packers need to pick up that fifth year option on Love in early May, and now they've got Arod echoing Brett Favre back when. That creates a financial mess - watcha going to do with two super-expensive QB's? Then there's the shitshow of Rodgers threatening to show up to camp.
I think there is significant pressure on GB to get this done.
well if we can somehow drag this out to june 1st it might be really good for us
2nd round picks dont excite me at all, hold firm for that first. come draft day after the top 4 QBs are gone before the jets pick and there is nothing left on the market, they'll be crawling to us
The strange thing is - wouldn’t a player want to be traded for the least amount of picks? Ie - more picks taken from your future team hurts your future team.
If the packers fuck around too long - AR may just go public and ask to be cut.
I think that Guter needs to remember that part of the compensation will be peace of mind for the Packers.
I can't figure how I see we have leverage. We have cap issues and an incumbent qb the coaching and management side likes who will walk if we dont play him.
The whole nfl world knows this. Jets fans are gonna jet with or without 12.
Maximize cap help and take scraps imo.
Obviously, the Packers would be better off on the now slim thread of hope that it does not go through. Gutekunst even said before the Rodgers thing on Macafee that if things fell through, Rodgers could be back as the Packers QB. THAT - obviously - is the best case scenario, albeit extremely unlikely. Anybody thinking otherwise is bonehead stupid.
Packers have some temporary leverage because they're fine for now with the status quo. They have their QB. The Jets don't. There are 6 weeks to go until the draft. Packers can afford to wait and see if the Jets will cave to pressure from fans, press and players to make the trade.
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Some Jets-Packers trade stuff has gone off the rails.
Some suggesting Aaron would force Packers hand by showing up at OTAs. Please.
People, this will be resolved long before that, probably within a week or two.
GB may not get much, but will be more than was offered last week.
Wilde and Tausch had some really interesting segments on this. Some points of emphasis.
The Pebble Beach comments about Rodgers flirting with the Raiders and others most likely really rubbed GB the wrong way
Mark Murphy was a major F'ck up by saying what he said in that interview
Rodgers likely did not take that well
GB most likely wants a 1st and future 2nd
Jets offering a 3rd or a 2nd if GB will eat some salary.
They'll end of meeting in the middle somehow.
GB would be smart to wait and be patient. It's not the end of the world if we get our 1st next year in addition to another pick. They are unsure if we can swipe #13
I agree Mark Murphy really F’d up making those comments. He has a big mouth and says a lot of stupid shit for someone in his role.
I agree - that was stupid, awkward, and uncalled for.
At the same time, Joe made a good point to me the other day. I'd said that Rodgers said on McAfee that he was leaning toward retirement but surprise surprise after he left his darkenss retreat he had players telling him the Packers were shopping him, and of course Rodgers painted a picture of someone who was surprised and saddened and betrayed by this.
Yet he was teasing out which fans were cheering loudest for a trade when he was in that golf tournament, which I believe was before his retreat. So his whole thing about feeling betrayed, that "something changed" with the Packer managment while he was in his retreat is, well, utter bullshit.
So I will, at this point, be glad when the trade is completed, Rodgers can become a Jet, and I only will wonder about him if there is a draft pick tied up in how well he plays for the Jets or how well they do.
I'll be ready to move on to talking about how the Green Bay rebuild is going. Though "rebuild" for a team that continues to kick the can down the road (more void years! More! This time Rasul Douglas) is an odd word. I don't know if they know what the fuck they're doing.
I agree Fritz.
Rodgers is just as much to blame in the whole “divorce” as Packers brass is. To try and frame this as a “woe is me” situation really comes off all wrong. Both sides have made numerous mistakes during the past few years as the team tried to manage the final years of a HOF QB career, which normally goes off the rails at some point. It happened for Brady. It happened for Manning. It happened for Favre. It happened for Montana. The list goes on and on.
In terms of getting the deal done, I’m not sure the Packers have any way to truly gain leverage. However, as others have pointed out, the Packers are also in no rush. They don’t HAVE to make a deal, and the truth is that if they make a deal later in the off-season, it actually would benefit them. The fact is that the Jets stand to only lose leverage as time goes on. So the Jets may be right in saying compensation right now should be minimal. If the Packers had to act now, the Jets would stand to gain. However, the Packers do not have to act, and the eventual cost to the Jets will move higher and higher as we move closer to next season and they do not have a QB on their roster that they feel they can win with. It is basically a game of chicken at this point. The Packers are the train with 2 QBs. The Jets are on their bike heading toward the train with 0 QBs. In the end, the Jets are going to have to swerve, or face severe media/fan backlash.
The Packers cap benefits by the trade happening after June 1. The jets are in no position to have Rodgers miss minicamps. The less work he gets with his new team, the less impact he will have.
That is why the Packers have the leverage.
Everyone thinks if Rodgers comes back they are screwed. If they make the QB an open competition, Rodgers won't want to be back. Would Rodgers even take the chance on being a backup his last year. No way his ego let's that happen.
It's not a divorce until the legalities (the trade) are done. There could/should still be some counseling, and things could get back to fine, it which case the team would be infinitely better off. I say again, I don't expect that, but it's just a glimmer of hope - the Packers' chances clinging to the rim as they are about to go down the toilet.