The girlfriend has the nose on her, but she pulls off some nice glamour shots. I am going to stop now because I shouldn't be objectifying women like this. Hot, not hot, 10 pt rating scales, These are not the way of the Jedi.
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The girlfriend has the nose on her, but she pulls off some nice glamour shots. I am going to stop now because I shouldn't be objectifying women like this. Hot, not hot, 10 pt rating scales, These are not the way of the Jedi.
I think he is a rich pretty boy. So probably similar to Herro without the crazy dad. But who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
Ah, I forgot that Herro came from the urps. The way he acts, all Black and stuff, I thought he was working-class MKE (Milwaukee).Quote:
Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
I think the majority of people that know him from his time in Milwaukee area don't have many good things to say about him or his family. Never met him so I won't speak ill of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
Pick is meh. They kid is a valid defensive prospect, but MLF and his staff clearly have little knowledge on how to properly utilize defensive talent. Thus, as most other defensive picks have been, it will largely go as waste as the defense continues to be mediocre but not bad enough to actually get Barry fired.
Gute needs to come away with one of the top TEs on Friday.
If you had to pick one body/athlete, would you rather have Gary or Van Ness? Gary 1/2” shorter and 5 lbs heavier so more stout. But lower agility. Vs Van Ness who is a little taller, not quite as stout, but more agile?
I think I like Van Ness slightly more. I like the ability to bend the corner. And he’s close on strength.
This guy has a super low chance of bust imo. The size and athleticism is rare. Even if he’s not great, he’s gonna be able to do some things just because he’s got the physical talent.
One area where Van Ness came up short at the combine was bench press. He did 17 which is poor for the position, whereas Gary did 26. Van Ness does have huge hands (11.0) so maybe he's able to compensate with hand strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
Sean Jones said one time he could only put it up like 3 times when he was coming out. So he finagled his way out of doing it. Some of the longer guys just have lever types that make bench hard. I don’t think it shows much, honestly. He’s strong. I read nothing into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Yep. He's from Barrington IL, a pretty affluent NW suburb of Chicago. So like that other Iowa stud Bulaga, probably grew up a Bears fan. Can't blame a person for where they were born. I'm one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
Well, I am pushing 70, and I still think the pick was worthwhile if ONLY for the sisters..Quote:
Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
And MUCH younger..Quote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
Oh oh, the 'huge hands' comment..Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Gary was a far more experienced player coming out of college, and it took him awhile to figure it out. This kid will be almost useless in 2023 outside of special teams.
He could end up as a great player, but he’s got a long way to go and a defensive coaching staff that doesn’t exactly exude confidence in coaching up the kids.
Not necessarily a bad thing, King. Picture this:Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
Next season, Love has growing pains but it's clear he's gonna be the Real Deal. Defensive coaching staff botches everything again, so MLF finally ditches JoeBarely after the season and hires a young, whipsmart, good communicatin' defensive coordinator, who hires a staff with similar qualities.
And we're off to the races in '24.
Quick - as of a week ago, who were the top 3 (healthy) pass rushers on the defense?
How many sacks and pressures did they get?
Now, what if one of them gets hurt?
I don't think it's a bad pick, I think he's got a high ceiling that will require a lot of work to reach. Seems like he's a hard worker and Rebrovich isn't a bad coach. He's roughly as big and athletic as Rashan Gary or Nick Bosa. I didn't the positional value at 13 was really there for a WR/TE, so I think they will go receiver shopping on Day 2 & 3. One of Mingo/Rice/Wicks at WR, probably. The TEs except Kincaid (older prospect with a back injury? ghost of Justin Harrell says no) are still out there too. If JSN is some top talent, a lot of teams passed on him so they must be just as dumb as Gute.
The Van Ness pick is a traits/upside pick. Gary worked out for them and they're betting LVN will too.
You're crazy. Gary is physical freak show of an athlete, Key numbers are the 10 yard shuttle, and the vertical, then add in the bench press with actually longer arms than Van Ness. Very similar over all, I would assume they will groom Van Ness to play opposite of Gary, but who knows. They keep drafting 4-3 defensive ends and ask them to play stand up edge in the nickel. Not sure what the deal is and its confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
Bench press is 100% trainable. When I was 25 I did 28 reps at 225. That doesn't mean I was stronger than Van Ness or Gary. It means I spent a lot of time in the gym. I also have pretty short arms which helps. Watch Van Ness's bull rush and you realize he has immense functional power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
there a clip of him bull rushing paris johnson jr a few timesQuote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
very impressive
A great pass rush can negate problems with your secondary or defensive scheme. I hope this pick pans put because we might need help with both.
It's probably been said, but Van Ness is more Preston Smith than Rashan Gary. I thought Myles Murphy was the one more like Gary.Quote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
Van Ness = 6'5" 272, 4.58 40, 1.57 10, 31" Vert, 118" broad, 4.32 shuttle, 7.02 3 cone, 11" hands, 34" arms
P Smith = 6'5" 271, 4.74 40, 1.60 10, 34" Vert, 121" broad, 4.28 shuttle, 7.07 3 cone, 10 5/8" hands, 34" arms
Pretty close besides the 40, but even there the 10 split is similar--and that's more important than the 40.
Damn, run on TEs going on
This kid is way more athletic than Smith, but far more raw in terms of his moves and techniques.
There literally has never been a person to walk the earth at 6’5 and 270 that’s “WAY” more athletic than Preston.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
I had no idea P.Smith's measurable were so impressive. Z always looked so much more explosive in-game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers
I see quite a few in the NFL today. Preston can be explosive in shorts, but doesn’t play as fast in pads. Van Ness has speed in pads that you see on film.Quote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
I only watched film on three guys this year before the draft. It was the three edges that might make it to us because I thought that was the most likely scenario. I knew nothing about measurable when I turned in the film and the very first observation I made was that I felt like I was watching Preston Smith with both VanNess and Murphy. Van Ness even moreso than Murphy. The measurables check out. Same athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
In fairness to Preston, he's 30 going on 31. He's slowed down. When he was with WFT he was pretty good and his first year for GB too.
LVN is more athletic and I think his game more closely resembles Gary's, but I think he could move into the Smith role.
JMHO
Murphy scared some because of the Clemson curse, take helmet scouting for what it's worth. I also think it was that he had a strong Frosh year and then kind of plateaued. I like him but he could easily bust or just be a meh player. Seems that Gute is betting on upside with LVN...so maybe Murphy's upside isn't as much.
Van Ness might have a little more natural and effective bull rush than Preston. But I doubt he’s as natural in space as Preston is when he’s asked to drop into coverage.
I like that LVN is just bendy enough and fast enough to win with a pure speed rush. Preston is a rare big guy who can do that too. At least when he was younger.
That’s what made JJ Watt so good. He could win speed rushes and was so powerful on top of it. Reggie was like that too. Reggie was winning speed rushes at 300. LVN isn’t as big as Watt or Reggie. But he’s got a speed rush and a powerful bull rush. There is enough there to get excited about. I could see 8 sacks his rookie year with just the speed rush and bull rush in his bag.
He will be the next JJ Watt....
Preston is also on the wrong side of 30, so you two are arguing different comparisons methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
Still waiting for the white people to make the Clay Matthews comparison.
Will Andersons pass rush looks just like Clay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz