was really bummed with he left UW Madison as he would have been HUGE for us last year
But he was buried behind 2 RB's.
I'd take him as a late pick in a second
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Really surprised Kinchens time was that slow. He doesn't play slow.
Tyler Nubin is probably Safety 1 now; Javon Bullard might be #2.
Calen Bullock scares me. Ballhawk with range who looks like he hates to tackle.
Would not be shocked if GB signs a S in FA. Last year's safety class was worse, but this year's isn't exactly looking like an all-timer.
They're saying this is an elite WR and OT draft. Draft an OT in R1 and move on from the big fella.
None of the previously highest rated safeties are in this group. Tyler Nubin did not work out at the combine.
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Below, you will find all of the safeties who registered a RAS of at least 8.0 at this year’s Combine.
Ryan Watts, Texas: 9.84
Cole Bishop, Utah: 9.81
Dominique Hampton, Washington: 9.73
Jaylon Carlies, Missouri: 9.50
Isaiah Johnson, Syracuse: 9.13
Marcellas Dial, South Carolina: 8.93
Dadrion Taylor-Demerson, Texas Tech: 8.87
Jaylin Simpson, Auburn: 8.76
Millard Bradford, TCU: 8.32
Jaylen Key, Alabama: 8.25
Kitan Oladapo: Oregon State: 8.23
Tanor Bortolini of Wisconsin had the best 3-cone time ever for a Center at the combine. Projected 4th round pick.
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^ Would love to draft that dude and part ways with Myers after this year if he doesn't absolutely blow the roof off.
Wow, Bortolini who was barely a first stringer? the guy who snapped bloopers to the QB most of the time? Come on! That sure doesn't say much for this RAS thing.
Good Point. I noticed, though, that there was no bench press listed. Theoretically, he could be 6'4 and 303 with a pot belly and very little of the most important quality for an O Lineman, strength. I say that as somebody who was exactly the same height and weight as Emmett Smith in his prime. Of course my 40 time wasn't quite as good. Stats can be deceiving.
Guerendo above, who had really great straight line speed, conveniently had no scores for agility.
I tend to think observation is a better predictor.
Gute loves his super RAS score guys. That is a fact. When the RAS box goes unchecked it's can be a dud, and Gute has a strategy. I don't really blame him. I like Guerendo, He was always the third guy on the depth chart for the Badgers but always managed to find his carries when he was in Madison. I also remember him getting injured often enough where he wasn't a sure thing. He wasn't a full time guy at Louisville either. He will get drafted, probably ahead of Allen which in all honesty he should.
Speaking of Allen, He was supposed to crush the combine. All we heard about him was his crazy weight room strength and his crazy speed for his size. He did 25 reps of 225. I sort of expected mid thirties from the guy. He did not run the 40 and his broad jump was short of ten. I wouldn't draft him if I was a GM that needed a running back, he has trouble reading space and getting down hill in a timely fashion. For his size he doesn't move the pile and in my opinion doesn't run aggressively enough. Reminds me of a Najee Harris type of back, big and athletic but not a gifted runner.
Obviously WR made a lot of noise at the combine this year. I am sure that means an added one or two go in the first round this year. I would assume the Packers would not be interested in drafting a WR in the first couple of rounds. I would assume this could make several offensive linemen, safeties, corners, and defensive linemen available.
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Quinyon Mitchell was a CB that might have had an opportunity to fall to the Packers will most likely be the first or second corner taken in this draft. He had a great senior bowl, and phenomenal combine. He might go in the top ten.
Nate Wiggins is also a CB that had a really good combine clocking 4.28 in the forty and basically checking the boxes on the rest of the workout. He is tall and too lean at 173 pounds. NFL receiver could bully him. I am not sure the Packers will have an opportunity to draft him.
Max Melton, a CB who also had himself a day at the combine. Yes he is the brother of Bo. Max is probably still a second day pick, but has put himself in conversation to be picked in the 30-40 range.
Kool-Aid didn't participate. I like his skill set better than Terron Arnolds. Arnold ran an average 4.5 forty but checked the boxes on his jumps. They both fell below Mitchell after the combine.
Kalen King from Penn St was disappointment. I thought he could be a 2nd round guy if he ran well, but a 4.65 isn't going to set a very high bar as a lock down corner especially under 6'0"
Khyree Jackson from Oregon is a very interesting prospect because he is 6'4" and ran a 4.5 forty. His broad jump was over 11 feet. He might have worked his way into the 2nd round conversation.
The two Georgia safeties did a little more than check the boxes at the combine. Javon Bullard and Tykee Smith both ran sub 4.5 forties. They would both be in the conversation for high day 2 picks
Jayden Hicks didn't run the 40, he ran a 6.88 3 cone, and a 4.37 shuttle At 6-2 215 pounds he is an intriguing prospect at safety and I would really like to get his full set of numbers to see if he could be a dude. repped 225 16 times. His jumps were above average.
Callen Bullocks didn't do anything to hurt his draft stock. He is a risk in the fact his tackling just isn't up to par, but his coverage skills might be the best in this class.
Malik Mustapha who is supposed to fly at the safety position didn't run or do agility but hit 22 reps on the bench. Weird
The two safety prospect from Miami really didn't do themselves any favors. Williams is supposed to make the move to linebacker and his 4.65 is fine for the move down, but his vertical was 30" which is sort of average for a a high school safety. Kamren Kinchens ran a crap 4.65 forty for a safety, but the rest of his numbers aren't bad. 35" vert and a 9'2" broad jump didn't hurt him, but it didn't help him either. He was competing to be the first safety off the board and now he is looking to stay in the mix as a day 2 guy.
The Utah safeties had a very interesting combine. Sione Vaki who played both offense and defense at Utah did run exceptionally well but had some big jump numbers and hit 20 on the bench. I think he is a day 3 guy but could be a plus add on special teams and guy project at safety. Cole Bishop who have actually watched a bit of film on had a great combine. Sub 4.5 forty almost 40 inch vertical and broad jump over 10. That's pretty good. He is a fluid athlete and can play middle of the field or in the box. He is a solid day 2 guy after the combine.
Tyler Nubin didn't do shit, typical of a Gopher.
Nutz, kiddos to you for spending countless hours watching YouTube clips of draft prospects. Informative read. Moi? I can’t handle the college game anymore - be it futbol, hoops or gymnastics. Two reasons:
1. College sports make me long for my bygone youth, a time when I was “young and full of life and full of love.”
2. Said bygone youth was full of regrets. Wish I could go back and change things. Perhaps, I would be loved.
That being said, stay tuned for my ingenious 2024 “Mastery Mockery of a Draft.” Here’s a hint on whom I think the Packers should take with their 1st rounder: he plays corner, he’s French and he’s white.
Good summation Nuts, I agree with your takes. Kool-Aid had a broken toe or something? I think Wiggins dropped weight to run the 40 faster (a lot of guys will do this) but even if huis playing weight is 180 that's too light IMO.
Calen Bullock scares me. Kinchens was a disappointment. I'm higher on Bullard at the moment, but who knows. I'd expect Kinchens to run at pro day and do much better, but he hurt his stock quite a bit with that 40.
One guy who is interesting to me is Oladipo (sp?) from Oregon State as a box safety. Bigger dude at 6-2 and athletic.
As for Bartolini, the high RAS is nice but didn't watch his tape or drills. Bad snaps (if true) aren't part of RAS testing obviously, but would be a concern.
I got nothing against Brealon Allen, I just don't want GB to draft him. RBs that big don't succeed very often. He's not shifty, he's not a pure power back, I'm not sure what he is. Gute wants big back to grind out yards and take some snaps from Jones, but there is nothing making a specific case that be Allen. They can find a 215 pounder with more wiggle to do that, he doesn't need to be 240.
Guerendo feels like workout warrior syndrome. If you think he's Tyler Allgeier then great but before the combine I doubt anybody was talking about him as being more than a late day 3 guy.
I think Guerendo will have a better NFL career than Allen
Bortolini will make a decent pro. It's a current tradition amongst centers from wisconsin
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A lot will change at pro days, but here is the guys that at least haven't missed the Packers general thresholds (yet)
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