I was thinking the same thing. If the QB rolls right the defenders on the left side of the field are going to cheat and play off of their responsibility and shadow the middle of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoosier
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I was thinking the same thing. If the QB rolls right the defenders on the left side of the field are going to cheat and play off of their responsibility and shadow the middle of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoosier
Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJZiggy
Good Lord people give it a rest!
Not to mention Favre after the game admitted he got to the throw late, which gave the defender time to get that jump. He needed to pull the trigger sooner... so he felt at least. I am sure he looked at it ont he sideline to get that idea in his head, since the game wasn't over yet.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...y_N.htm?csp=hf
Bradshaw says Favre's main motivation, after feeling hurt and then mad at the Green Bay Packers, is to "embarrass them, put it in their face. And nothing would throw it in their face more than winning the Super Bowl."
Bert tried to embarrass the Packers, and he ended up embarrassing himself. Perhaps the best excuse of all for choking in the clutch is because that's what he deserved. It was karma.
I talked to the Commissioner. He says spite is not a good enough reason to return to the Super Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
I know because I saw the throw (and the wonderful analysis of the play) If it had been the normal pass that he makes to Rice, Rice could have gone up for it. That's what he does. He's a big receiver and has had success when Favre throws high and he can go over the shorter defenders. When it was intercepted, what'shisname caught it in his gut. That's not letting Rice go up and get it. That's how I know. By not being completely blind to any possible criticism of Favre. It was an absolutely boneheaded throw and not the first in his career. It's ok to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrnBay007
Rolling way out to the right, throwing across his body, ball security at the highest possible priority level, getting very little zip on the ball, targeting a guy that was supposed to be a decoy on that play, launching one across the field. He broke every QB rule in the book on that one play.
Common sense and a general understanding of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrnBay007
Brett is not a big game QB, THAT IS OBVIOUS. :lol: That comment will probably get me banned. What happened to this site, it was once a place where we could banter, now, the pro4 people get you banned. Stating the obvious isn't tolerated by those in power, oh well, all the good posters from the past are gone anyway. Disliked 4 years ago, literally can't staND the diva now, the dumbest QB of all time.
This is the same reason Arod throws the ball high to Finley. Tall athletic WR/TE that can go up and grab the ball at a higher point than the shorter DB can get up to. It's also why NFL teams are in love with 6 foot plus CB and will draft them earlier than the should based on potential alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrnBay007
When you've lost three NFCC games all on late interceptions, all of which were poor decisions and unforced errors, you start to recognize a pattern. What's interesting is that ultimately Favre never changed. His first pick was a risky throw into coverage when he had Chewy for a short gain or could have run it way back in 1995, his second was a waffler to the most covered of four receivers in 2007 and his final was an entirely risky throw when he could have run it in 2009. Not to mention the hot air ballon in Philly, or the beyond the line of scrimmage toss against MN because he was afraid of getting hit. Not flukes, but rather a consistent pattern throughout his career.
In all the playoff games Favre has lost, there were many other contributing factors to the losses (4th and 26 in Philly, bad defense against the Vikings and the Rams in 2004 and 2001, respectively, poor offensive line play against the Giants (no run game) in 2007, turnovers by MN this year, etc. etc.) but in none of these games did Favre play the kind of game you expect for a seasoned veteran, hall of fame QB. Game after game, he made critical, unforced errors that cost his team. Those teams probably would have lost many, if not all those games, even had Favre played 'perfectly.' But the point is that we'll never know, because far from playing perfectly, Favre played poorly in many of them. That's just the facts. Favre played poorly. For someone who wanted to see him win all but one of those games, it was pretty hard to take, especially since I know he was capable of so much more.
Gotta agree with this; good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
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Originally Posted by MadScientist
Funny stuff
Part of this IMO is pretty ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by b bulldog
What posters have got other posters banned ?
What gets people on timeouts are personal attacks and blatant disrespect and courtesy to others. Those who don't partake in that can choose to stay around if they want.
I may be incorrect but I don't think admin is pro4, as you refer to it as.
I would like to go Bert's HOF induction to participate in the heckling. Do you guys think the NFL will take steps to keep out all the people that hate the guy?
Maybe, but I wonder. Holmgren often talked about how headstrong Favre was, and how difficult it was to control him. As Favre matured and gained fame and maybe ego, he may not have been as willing to toe the line for Holmgren either. Then again, maybe Holmgren would always have been the mentor to whom Favre would defer. Hard to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
Of course, I am not as much of an admirer of Holmgren as some of you are. I think he was very good, but also let opportunities get away from him. I look at Holmgren being to coaching what Favre is to quarterbacking. Both are guys who were good enough to get better results than they did. In some ways neither confronted their own limitations adequately to be their best.
I agree with Patler. Don't forget too that some of Favre's poorer play or records later came as he aged - one might argue that Holmgren had Favre in his physical prime..
And by the way, I agree about Holmgren as well. I really think he mishandled the second Super Bowl game as well as the entire season that followed, his last in GB.
My husband has always thought that Favre was uncoachable to some extent, otherwise he wouldn't keep making the same boneheaded mistakes he does and we would never had heard of the 'disagreement' #4 and Chilly had earlier this season. BF needs a strong headed HC/father figure around to keep him in line and having a guy like Sherman all those years was probably the worse thing that could have happened to GB, BF and us fans. Sherman letting #4 do as he pleased created a monster and is why he is the way he is today. Losing his father didn't help either. Can you imagin this divorce would have gone down had Irv still been around??
Ya know, a friend and I got into this very discussion yesterday. What would have happened had Irv still been around. I think Irv kicks him in the ass and tells him to shut up and play, that he's the QB not the coach. Irv was a coach and didn't put up with a lot of crap from what I could tell.