What leak? I saw him pull up and thought he was hurt. I'm sure the reporters saw it too.
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Yeah don’t listen to Red, he would be jaded if a truck stop hooker didn’t fall in love with him. Probably thinks he’s like Gere in Pretty Woman.
If you go in the game thread pretty sure I mention Jones looking hurt in the second half. Something was off for sure.
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I was just going to say the exact same thing. I've found it very interesting how much inside information about the Jones contract negotiations somehow found its way out into the media the minute the fan base starting howling about it.
We didn't hear Word One about Bakhtiari, or any other contract discussions, and we never do - every year, that information is shut down tighter than a drum. Not so much as a peep, yet with Jones, we may as well have all been listening in on every phone call, because suddenly we know how the whole thing went.
Edit: my wife's in bed, I'm bored, I spent about 40 minutes watching most of the 4th quarter of the Niners game (and now, I'm googling local therapists to call tomorrow and help me get through the trauma.) But Jones' last carry was a short run up the middle with about 6 1/2 minutes to go, and I didn't see anything remarkable there. But his second to last run was that 53-yarder with 9:37 left in the 4th; if this story is true, that must be where it happened. I didn't see anything noteworthy there, either, except that he started to get gassed around the 35-yard line and steadily slowed down a little bit from that point on, I didn't see any point where he suddenly seemed to feel something. Slowed it down several times, and honestly, everything I saw just looked like a guy getting a little weary in the 4th quarter of a 100 yard+ game.
The last 5-7 yards, he was spinning and leaping laterally trying to break through and pile up a few more, couple of sudden starts and stops, quick bursts, so there were a lot of points there where he could have easily tweaked something, but again - he didn't favor it. When he got off the ground, he was jumping and hopping up and down, dancing, and he seemed pretty OK there. Then Wilson came in and spelled him for a few snaps before his final carry.
At the end of the possession, there wasn't anything special on the sideline. I saw a lot of shots with Jones standing around talking to players, but I didn't see him talking to any of the staff, nobody was checking out the leg, and he sure didn't go into the tent. Everything semed normal. The only attention I saw him get from the staff was when a trainer was hydrating him and wiping the water off his face with a towel.
He was on the field for the final possession, but with Green Bay trailing with a minute and a half left, it was all passing plays. Except for two plays where he ran short outside routes as a dump-off option, he was just hanging back waiting for the blitz. He never really ran anywhere near full speed; just trotted around. But the point is, he was oin the field, not in the tent or the locker room.
He just didn't look to me like a guy who'd suffered a hamstring injury that would make him questionable the following week; that first time he popped that hammy in the regular serason, he knew right away, and he was done fpr the day. The fact that Green Bay left him in the game after that run doesn't seem consistent with aggravating the hamstring enough that he'd be doubtful for the next week.
So I dunno... could be true, could be bullshit. I didn't see anything really convincing. Jones has been a good soldier so far; hasn't talked at all about what happened. But if this is a lie, it may be enough to motivate him into calling bullshit on it.
Does any of this really matter or is this just us whiling away the time until the draft talk really heats up?
Fans like to think their feelings and opinions mean something to the team. but they really don't mean much to them at all. There was no uproar over the Jones situation. Minor disappointment, nothing more than that. Certainly nothing that would cause the Packers to fabricate some grand story not based in fact.
As for contract negotiation leaks, the vast majority come from the players side of the table.
And I bitched about MiLF not using him in the second half until the very end of the game when it was too late. Now we have an explanation of why we stopped doing what worked so well in the first half.
Was releasing this information a "piece of shit" move? Meh. Not if its true. The truth is simply the truth.
And in todays world (I hate to sound like Tex) the media is constantly getting caught for flat out fabricating things. So who knows if ANYONE from EITHER side actually leaked this. It could have been a guy with an opinion, or it could have been "leaked" by a waterboy who wanted to feel relevant.
I think AJO loves the fans of GB and his image is important to him. That is why the leak gets released about how he was JordyNelson''d.
Perceptions from afar are funny things. I met Derek Jeter once...what an asshole. I met Terell Owens once. What a decent respectful young man. Told his friend to stop swearing in front of the ladies (casino workers). Jones strikes me as a good guy, but I have no idea if he would leak that or not. And he might just not be as classy and decent as we all perceive him to be from afar.
I think things were leaked from both sides to control the narrative. I suspect it was Jones' agent, not Jones himself. GB also stated they wanted him to take a pay cut in half, but they didn't mention that a big chunk was in incentives.
Ultimately, it's just negotiating that got public. It's just seeing how the sausage is made.
I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.
And the timing on the Jacobs signing doesn't really impact things from what I've heard. They asked Jones to take the pay cut first, and when he said no they moved on to sign Jacobs.
If you ask a player to take a cut and they say no, you either cut them or risk every player thinking it's a bluff and calling you on it.
Having an ex-NFL player as a client, I agree with all of this.
Our client signed a nice 2nd contract. Had a down year and the club came back asking for a paycut or be cut. Funny his agent wasn't anywhere to be found when the team wanted him to take a paycut but was there every step of the way for the 2nd contract signing.
Our client bet on himself, got cut and signed a 1 year deal with another team. He played well and got a good 3rd contract that lasted until he retired.
Sunday afternoons at the office are so much fun during tax time. At least I can read PackerRats for a couple minute escape here and there.
Whether he's an intelligent man or not, my point was I don't think he's a stupid enough man to believe that this would somehow make people angry at the team. Why would it? If Gutekunst had good reason to believe that Jones wasn't healthy enough to pay him $11,000,000, why would that piss fans off? Only an idiot would think the fans are going to rise up like, "Oh, poor Aaron, how dare Gutekunst not want to take care of him." That'd just be stupid; of course the fans would support not spending that kind of money on an injured player.
Who says anything changed? Language like "I absolutely want Jones back this year", or "I absolutely expect Jones back this year", is totally meaningless. It's ambiguous, completely noncomittal "GM speak" for "he may be back, he may not, too early to make any promises". I think it's just implied that it would entirely depend on how negotiations went, because everyone knew that he would be asked to restructure.
Gutekunst may be a lot of things, but he's no fool. He knows how to speak the language. He knew damned well that in a couple of weeks he was going to ask Jones to take a huge pay cut, and he's not dumb enough to think Jones was just going to take it without (at best) some serious pushback. And he's smart enough to know there was a good chance Jones would refuse it altogether. Saying things like "we really want Aaron back, we love him, Aaron's the heart and soul of our team, we definitely expect him back" makes the fans happy because they think the team is committed to keeping him, and then when the negotiations go bad and he gets released, Gutekunst looks like hey, at least he really tried. Not his fault. It just didn't work out.
Curious; which is a bigger punch in the Sack ?
Gutebag asking Jordy to come back at 2 Million / Year ? Which in retrospect, choosing to sign Jimmy for 10MIL/Year instead of giving Jordy, who wanted to stay in GB, a reduced wage of around 5-6..... who had 60 catches for a shit team that year, was a bad call
OR
Gutebag asking Jones to come back at 4 Million ?
The second call might turn out to be the right now. The first was not.
There are also pro athletes who take a complete hands-off approach, leaving everything up to agents and advisors for negotiations. They don't even want to know the give-and-take that goes on, just having final approval on the best deal his people think they can get.
Leaks, lies and exaggerations often come from the agents, not the players directly; or from the players "inner circle" or as we have often seen, family members who may or may not know the facts.
I agree that letting Nelson go was okay, and Graham was overpaid.
Maybe, maybe not. We just have no idea what is true unless a guy goes on the record. In the end if we win Gutes is awesome and if we don't he blows. Want fans to get over trading Rodgers, have Love turn into a winner. Want to get over Jones, make the Owl with Jacobs. Its really all us fans care about in the end. I once worked for a bar manager that was a prick, but he ran a good bar and the tips were outrageous. I was ok with his attitude.
The Packers never asked Jordy to come back on $2/year. In fact, they paid him $2.88 million for his 2018 season in Oakland.
They wanted him back at ~$3 million more than that, but the problem was the Raiders ended up paying Jordy about $10.2 million for one season.
If you're Jordy, do you prefer $5.9 mil from the Packers for 2018 (fair price), or $13 mil from the Packers and Raiders in 2018 (hilariously overpriced)?
Can't blame Jordy for taking the money, but don't act like Green Bay lowballed him. And Jordy actually played every snap when he dressed for games, unlike Jones.
Once-greats in the twilight of their careers with expiring contracts rarely resign with the same team, because they will be offered much less than the last year of their prior contract AND some other team is going to overpay for them. It's pride, and a last chance cash grab - I honestly don't blame them for it.
Letting him go get paid double and getting to live in the Bay Area is honestly doing Jordy a favor.
Jordy was a great player for GB, but he wasn't worth 10M in his last season. We're laughing at Lazard's contract and (no offense to Lazard) he wasn't half the player Jordy was.
GB's entire WR corps made $10M last season (lol) and is the envy of many in the league.
Two things, Bobble. Let me edumucate you. First, as far as meeting celebrities, the key is that we generally meet them once. I love that Terrell Owens was cool, and all power to him. But Jeter - maybe he had a hemmhoroid that day, or he just found out his mom was having an affair with his best friend; I don't know. Or maybe he IS an asshole. I have no idea. But meeting someone once - it's maybe not a good idea to judge that, although I agree with your implicit assumption that celebrities KNOW this and really ought to be on their best behavior with the public. But they're human. And like I said, Derek Jeter may well be an asshole. Your perception might be right.
But on to my bigger point: it is a little know FACT that Greg Jennings's sister is, in fact, Aaron Rodgers. Don't aks me how I know that; just know it's true. So yes, Greg Jennings's sister does understand offensive schemes, not better than Aaron Rodgers, but just as well.
I'll agree its not fair to judge a person based on one meeting in a casino no less, but I can give 2 examples that speak to character. TO telling his posse to stop cursing in front of women. Thats not nothing in my book (plus he was super nice to EVERYONE). Jeter acted like the high school jock you wanted to punch in the face (unless you are Nutz, in which case you WERE that guy...kidding nutz). He belittled his "friends", had a general arrogance, and stiffed the waitress that brought him a drink. I asked her later if anyone in his crew took care of her and she said no. Ball busting among friends is awesome. With the Jeter "crew" it was him being a dick and his posse telling him he was great. Its a snapshot, but its an ugly snapshot.
That is ugly. He sounds like he was a real Richard.
It doesn't matter; but forums are boring w/o pot stirring
Honestly, if anybody doesn't realize Gutey is Heartless they have not been paying attention.
And so be it; be heartless, as long as you can get us a championship or two
He's been here 8 years now. BOth Ron and Ted had one already.
Get to it Guetbag !! :)
They wanted to Jordy to come back at a base salary of 2 MIL/year. Gutie has no interest in bringing Nelson back. It's water under the bridge now, but that is what I've heard a few say what he was offfered. A couple sports guys from the media, the most credible one of which is Wilde, who had a ton of ins with Jordy Nelson, Devonte Adams, and even Rodgers....although his relationship with Rodgers has soured the past 5 years.