As KY would say, "that's one king hell post Vince".
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As KY would say, "that's one king hell post Vince".
Even though there are others that agree with me that Capers has been an ongoing disaster for several years now - I'm about the only that that takes up the fight; therefore, I am a single voice of logic and honesty in opposition to the intellectual dishonesty of the homers.
Capers has, in fact, made many of the adjustments I've been calling for - especially after this years bye week. Last year, and the previous years of wandering in the desert, dunderdummy ran the 2-4 some 75% of the time - he never adjusted, he just ran the same crap game after game, down after down. The only variation we saw was Jumbo vs. pass rush 2-4, and nickel vs. dime.
Now that he is running a 3-4 predominately, and is running much more 3-3, and is putting our more talented players on the field in lieu of Brad Jones and Hawk, we are getting much better results. All of these are changes that I have been calling for forever.
On the other hand - for my contentions, all of you have done nothing but sling spitballs at the idea that the 2-4 was the problem, or that we actually had better personnel standing on the sidelines; and now that we have made some of the changes I've been talking about all this time - all of your defenses of Capers, and protestations of my arguments are long forgotten.
Now you seamlessly launch into attack mode with a different narrative, neverminding that you have been wrong all this time?? Is it any wonder an honest person would not conclude anything other than the fact that most of you prozac posters are nothing if not intellectually dishonest??
I was wrong about the game - but only d/c dunderdummy ran the schemes and alignments I've been wanting him to run forever.
If you flip a coin 99 times and it comes up heads 99 times - call me crazy, but I'm going to expect that the next flip will be heads. The fact that the 100th flip came out tails, and that is all the ammunition you guys need to try and attack me - neverminding that I've been right about what changes needed to be made - is pretty weak shit.
Since I have no faith in dunderdummy, and he rarely if ever has a gameplan I agree with - the odds were that he would come out with another crap gameplan. The fact is, he came out with a gameplan that I've been wanting to see for the past few years.
As I said in the above post - when I"ve laid out the specifics of the changes that dunderdummy needed to make, you guys spit on me - now, amazingly, he runs the schemes I've been wanting, and we're getting good results - yet I'm still the bad guy b/c I don't believe he'll do the right thing beforehand??
If you don't want read an honest critique of what dunderdummy is doing - don't read my posts. Max will be more than happy to give you prozac version.
All hail!
The secret here is, you're fighting with yourself for nothing other than some sort of self imposed superiority. Not one person who reads your rants is sitting at home going "you know what? that Wist is one smart mother fucker. I'm impressed by his knowledge." Not the "homers" and not the "others" who might happen to agree with you. You might consider getting a new outlet for this aggression. It's not good for you.
I call it as I see it... I put my observations out there, and they shouldn't be controversial - yet they are b/c you guys are accepting of mediocrity, and worse, and I am not.
I care about my team and want to win championships - defense is what has been preventing us from getting there.
I embrace mediocrity
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Mozart never had to worry about the salary cap.
You know what? Wist is one smart mother fucker. ;-)
I accept there is nothing I can change about the situation. I don't go to games so my dollars are not being spent. I don't subscribe to the Sunday ticket. We quite literally can do nothing affecting any change in the organization. So unless the Packers front office frequents this website and holds you in high esteem, you're screaming at the wind. If that screaming is therapeutic for you, by all means keep at it. Just don't expect everyone to join in chorus with you. They aren't being homers, they're being realistic.
I read somewhere that Fat Stubby is addicted to this forum. Not Capers, though.
My view of Packers DC Dom Capers:
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It flips and flops.
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It's Warm and cozy.
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Suddenly when performance is essential it often gets to ..... NOT so good.
Reading this thread, I am suddenly reminded that Wist, Texaspackerbacker and Anti-Polar Bear, in no particular order, are the top 3 notorious posters posting here.
Remember when Anti-Polar Bear used to write rhetoric about Ted Thompson?
The Defense wasn't responsible for last year's playoff loss. It outplayed the fantabulous offense while missing 4 key guys. So as per usual, you take a few specific points in time and generalize to the whole. Its one of the reasons your observations and not persuasive nor predictive.
That and the fact that you think ranting on the internet is demanding excellence.
He doesn't run 2-4 75% of the time in any particular gameplan. That's over the course of the season. And over the course of the season, he is often playing in a game where his team has a 10 point lead. Against a Patriots team completely capable of staying even, running the ball and lacking deep threats, he was not going to run dime defense on 1st and 2nd down. He has adjusted to opponents every year he has been here. You simply refuse to acknowledge this and gloss it over by using the yearly percentage.
He ran 3-4 24 times in the Patriots game out of 56 Patriot Offense snaps. That's 42%, higher than the yearly figures but not close to his high water mark for his Packer tenure. When his sub package numbers of high and they lose, you cry unsound. When his sub package numbers are low and they win, you say he is listening to you.
He ran 3-3 in one game for 15 snaps.
Any prediction based on a previously used Packer D alignment will eventually yield a positive result because the Packers, even with Capers, win 65% of the time. I could say the Packers need to use more onside kicks and look prescient twice a year. Your argument is not persuasive precisely for this reason; because it explains and/or predicts too little.
Good grief, you guys surely must be given all the answers years in advance of a standardized test just to squeak by with a D+...
He's been run running 3-whatever predominately - I said 3-4 for brevities sake.
Prior to the bye he was using a combination of 3-4, Elephant (which is in effect a 3-4); and when he was in the nickel he was using a lot more 3-3, as opposed to 2-4. Prior to this year's bye however, he was reverting back to his default dunderdummy settings, i.e. too much 2-4, and too much nickel in either/or situations, and we were getting destroyed in the running game.
How quickly any of you forget that we were dead last - and by quite a margin - in run defense just a few short weeks ago... given dunderdummy's track record, of course one who is paying attention would expect that to continue. Thankfully he seems to have gotten his head out of his ass to some extent, culminating in the NE game in which he called one hell of a game.
Last year, and in previous years he had been running 2-4 almost 75% of the time, be it jumbo or what I would call a pass rush 2-4. Why don't you guys trying offering up an analysis and break down once in a while, instead of riding Max's coattails??
I may disagree with Max from time to time, but at least he understands football, breaks down games and plays, and offers an analysis - I have a lot of respect for Max even if we don't agree some of the time. Most of the rest of you guys are frauds who just want to harangue those not in the kool-kid clique.
Read more carefully max... I said last year.
Actually I believe that number came from the amount of nickel and dime combined; and if memory serves me, I think it was the Saints that were 1st on that list with close to 80%.
I don't mind running nickel, just not against running teams, in running situations; or either or situations. That said, you can run nickel in either or, but not a static 2-4, and not that Jumbo 2-4, which were all Capers ran; so, of course the results were disasterous.
This year, of course MM made some headlines by saying that he was going to get involved with the defense during the offseason - and they came out of the gate running a lot of Elephant. They ran more Elephant than they did base 3-4, but at least they still had 3 down linemen on the field, and seemed to be taking the LOS more seriously. As the games wore on this year, however, dunderdummy started to revert a bit, and we began to be gashed to quite bloody effect in the running game.
Now after the bye, he's played much more 3-4 base, and in the Chicago game he played a lot more 3-3 nickel.
Those are very encouraging signs.
max, he ran 3-4 most of that game against the Niners - which was a major departure from what he had been doing all of last year.
We had success stopping their running game in that game b/c dunderdummy played 3-4 most of the game. Kapnerfucker still lit us up for 400+ I think, but at least we contained their running game, and were in the game, as opposed to getting run over on the ground and having pretty much no chance.
The first instance of the 3-3 Bear front that got you excited was the Eagles game which was after the bye.
I have seen no notice that it reappeared in the Patriots game. And it goes without saying that the 3-3 you advocated is not the 3-3 he ran during the Eagles game. He still removed a DL, got smaller in nickel, and used an OLB at DT.
And that is an example that he arranges his game plan according to the opponent, not the personality faults you detect in him. Nor is it decided because he does not believe in protecting the middle of the field or covering anybody. Which is what we have been arguing with you all along.
CK running was more of a problem that the passing, but much of the Packer pass rush was on the bench plus the injured Shields.
But as for your argument that no one hopes for excellence, regardless of the reason Capers did it, the Defense didn't let the team down, even when grievously injured.
Capers matches offensive personnel more than down and distance. Against teams that run a lot of 2 TE sets, like the Patriots and SF, Capers will match 3-4. As 90% of the league has moved towards a 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE "base" personnel, Capers has countered with the 2-4 with Peppers/Perry on the edge.
Ya I know it bugs the shit out of you when he plays those defenses in 3rd and short situations, but he is doing it to match personnel. Teams run 1-3-1 or 1-4 sets on third and short all the time. I'm of the opinion that if he were to trot out a 3-4 in those situations we would get burned deep often.
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He didn't run hardly any 3-4 in 2013 - the whole year!! And made some ludicrous comment about preferring to bleed to death instead of giving up big plays.
He did run the 3-4 against the niners in the playoff game last year, and as I said, that is what kept us in the game. Kapernik did hit us for 7 rushes, 98 yds - I was thinking of the game in which he threw for 400+... the 3-4 held Gore in check for 20 rushes, 66 yds. Kapernik threw for 227, 1 TD, 1 INT.
Except for Kapernick breaking loose for 98 yds, the 3-4 held SF down and kept us in the game.
The list of sins is well documented - need I trot them out as evidence, or a reminder to those of you with such short memories yet again??
If dunderdummy was tailoring his defense for each opponent, then he was doing a piss-poor job of it, was he not?? One of the worst run defenses was an ongoing problem, even running into this year when he finally did make some actual changes; embarrassing playoff defeats - almost entirely the fault of Capers and the defense; etc, etc...
The results he's been giving us have been worse than abysmal, why you guys try to continue to defend that is beyond me.
Now, after years of wife-beating, he brings home some flowers and you guys say, '... see, he really is a good guy'.
We're looking at the same picture and seeing completely different things... you talk about "bigger" and think that necessitates the jumbo nickel with Pickett and Raji.
Whereas I want to get "bigger" by having 3 down linemen on the LOS and take out one of the ILB's. You have 4 guys in the box between the tackles, whereas in an either or, I'd likely have 5, i.e. 3 down linemen, whoever was playing ILB (Matthews or Neal would be my preference), and whoever was roaming - again again Matthews/Neal.
If it is an either/or, in a 3-3, you can move one of those LB's outside... which is the alignment you posted of the Eagles game - which of course you are going to stubbornly go to your grave saying is a 2-4, lol...
Nobody abandons the LOS like Capers... I've never seen a single other team abandon the LOS like he does, never once. 3rd and 1, and he's got 2 guys on the LOS?? 1st and goal from the 1, same thing?? What's wrong with that picture??
As I've said, if I were an offensive coordinator I'd do exactly what you just said, and I've said this many times - I'd just trot 3 wides out there all the time, and run it down Dom's throat - which is what happened pretty much from 2011-2013.
The biggest change that we've seen this year is that he is not completely abandoning the LOS, and he is matching up against 3 wides with base personnel; either in the 3-4 or in the Elephant - which as I've said I consider to be a 3-4, whereas Max calls it sushi.
The other thing he's been doing is getting Hawk and Brad Jones off the field - which I have been the lead cheerleader here forever. I suggested that Matthews should be moved inside and you guys reacted like Linda Blair being hit with Holy Water!!!
Now we're seeing those things on the field, and you guys are saying I never said any such things... but trying to find minutia to attack general statements I may have made; and general statements to attack specifics I may have cited. Those tactics are not made of argument, but rather they are intellectually dishonest personal attacks - I think you guys might be puppets for James Carville, lol...
Nice entertainment after the dominator frustrated him
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This shouldn't even be controversial. Capers is making a defense with sub-par talent into a marginally decent, sometimes good defense with his scheming. As was said, having the world's greatest QB masks a lot of the problems on D, but the fault - to the extent there is a fault on the NFL's best team - is with Ted Thompson not providing more good players on the D. For years - make that decades, the Packers had D Coordinators who played plain vanilla, totally uncreative defense. In the Lombardi era, we didn't need to do any more than just line up and outplay opponents (even then, though, there was a lot of bend,don't break). In the decades since then, we have NOT had that dominant personnel - and consequently, we've had consistently bad defense - until Capers came along and used schemes and creativity to at least make the D decent. He is EXACTLY what a Ted Thompson GMed team needs as a D Coordinator.
Note: voting for Dom as a Dominator does NOT equate to voting that the defense is dominant.
Tex, While I often do not agree with your views, and in this case don't agree that Capers and Thompson are a good fit, I also appreciate your breath-of-fresh-air optimism and appreciation for this team. I myself try to appreciate what has been accomplished, but I also don't think this team has a Super Bowl defense. So even though I don't often agree with you, I do enjoy your posts.
Yeah I don't agree that Dom and Ted are a perfect fit. Ted operates with the only decent philosophy for today's NFL. You live and die by the draft and fish for bargains in FA. All that youth and inexperience is an issue for any coach but it seems especially tough for Dom's schemes.
Anyways I agree that Dom has always been more competent than the roster he coaches. Even all this fancy new shit isn't new, he did it all in Miami when he had the pieces to pull it off and we'd have seen it sooner if we had the pieces here. Its also impossible to give an honest evaluation of Dom or Ted without acknowledging their shitty luck with injuries. Dom's had way more than his fair share since being here so you'd have to be truly delusional to be surprised at the improvements when the law of averages kicks in and gives us one of the healthiest teams in the NFL. And really they still aren't all that great. Clay at ILB isn't a genius move by Dom, its a failure by TT. For the price of Clay you could easily buy two stud ILB's who are better and more experienced at the position. Its probably what's best for the team in the short term but its far from ideal.
Beneath all the hyperbole, personal incredulity, confirmation bias, childlike misunderstandings of correlation, and anecdotal evidence about Dom around here there is some truth. A handful of times a season we've seen our opponent come out with running personnel in a running situation and the Packers respond with a nickel or dime defense, gifting the offense the play it appeared to want to run in the first place. On the spectrum of fans from normal to wist the reaction to this can range from frustrating to literally maddening. At the end of the day I know that if I were to punch Dom in the face, take his headset, and call the game myself we'd lose by 70. I know that firing Dom is only a good move if you can hire somebody better. I also know that Bretsky deserves credit for this piece of threadbait. Why stir the pot when you can throw chum in the water and have the sharks do it for you?
Maybe the Packers do have a Super Bowl defense. Through the New Orleans game they certainly did not. However, over the last 4 weeks the Packers have held some very good offenses below their season averages:
Held Chicago to 14. They average 22.
Held Philadelphia to 20. They average 31.
Held Minnesota to 21. They average 19.
Held New England to 21 They average 32.
Only against Minnesota did they underperform, and that was because they went prevent after taking an 11 point lead. I think any defense that can hold New England and Philadelphia to those kind of numbers gives its team a chance to win any game.
Arguably we didn't have a Super Bowl defense the last time we went to the Super Bowl, or the 15-1 season that followed either. In case I didn't make myself clear, saying Capers is EXACTLY what we need with Thompson as GM was a slap at Thompson. Capers is all about compensation for lack of talent using schemes, and few if any do a better job of that.