Ah . . . I did not know about the signing bonuses and such. So now it makes more sense. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027
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Ah . . . I did not know about the signing bonuses and such. So now it makes more sense. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027
Will APB's dream finally come true? (Albeit 6 years later).
https://x.com/CorbinSmithNFL/status/1895500192818102488
Get it done!Quote:
Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky
Some reports say Seahawks want 1st round pick, young receiver and a day 3 pick. That sounds too rich. Also, Metcalf is entering the last year of his contract. For the Packers to give up a high pick, they likely would need Metcalf to agree to a contract extension. Still, Seahawks need cap room (they are 7 million over the cap), so a deal is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky
Day 3 picks aren’t that precious and odds are against the German Shepherd hitting on a pick at 23 or wherever the Pack pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
1st
4th
Wicks
Get it done!
If the Packers trade for Metcalf, it'd probably be and 2nd and Wicks or Doubs to go. We'd probably get a 7th back.
Gosh - can’t see them giving up Doubs. I’d be fine w/ Wicks or Watson even.
From the Seahags perspective, would you want a guy who's been concussed twice in the past season and also ditched the team briefly when he was unhappy? I think they'd rather have the higher-upside Watson, who will likely heal by the end of next season. Still he'd have question marks about health, too, but of a different nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fosco33
Doubs is also the lowest celing receiver on the roster.
Interesting, because Doubs would be the first of those three that I would let go. Watson and Wicks scream potential above average. Doubs will be what he has been; good, mostly reliable, not an impact player. Doubs is more easily replaced. He has never had a 100 yard game during the regular season, has had only two games with more than 80 yards. He has no receptions of 40 or more yards. He breaks few tackles and has minimal YAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fosco33
I'd be all for a trade for Metcalf. Wicks would be the one I'd most want to part with. He has regressed a lot. Doubs may have a low ceiling, but he's most likely of those three to reach that ceiling and stay there. Also, he'd fit in best with Metcalf - a consistent possession guy to go with the field stretcher. Excellent if we could make it happen with a second rounder, still good if even if it takes a first rounder.
This whole Metcalf trade rumor is intriguing. It's probably just that, a rumor. I don't know if Metcalf is worthy giving up the 23rd pick, plus more. If this rumor does have any weight, it'll be a very interesting offseason.
Wicks regressed, but a lot of players have a second year slump. I'd guess he's going to bounce back in 2025.
Watson can’t stay on the field and there’s no evidence he ever will. Trade an injured WR w/ upside for a known high caliber WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
No matter what - we need at least one, maybe 2 veterans in the the offense besides a quiet Love and the recently outspoken Jacobs.
Well of course - that would seem obvious. But Seattle is asking ALSO for a first round pick, I think, or maybe a second. That's a lot to part with for a guy who will have a big contract and probably only about two or three more really great years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fosco33
I'm actually more concerned about Doubs' head than I am about Watson's injuries. Watson seemed to get the hamstring issues behind him last year. Knee injuries happen kind of randomly. Doubs' second concussion last year, on a routine play, while wearing the added protection of a Guardian helmet cover, is concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fosco33
Deebo Samuel is worth a fifth.
A 1st and a player is way too much for Metcalf.
Yes. Teams that give up proven stars like Samuel and potentially Metcalf are stupid - seemingly, and hopefully the Packers can take advantage and get him cheap. Metcalf is worth more than Sameul, but not that much more.
I wonder if there are extenuating circumstances, though. Maybe fans of some other teams are reading about the Packers letting Jaire go cheap and thinking the same sort of thing.
Is he worth just a 1st round pick alone? History sort of tells us that GB doesn't value the position to be worthy of 1st round picks, and Metcalf is not great, just very good. Fewer than 450 receptions in 6 seasons isn't elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkey
Deebo from 2021 would be worth more. 2024 Deebo isn't as good as 2024 Melcalf and it may be a bigger delta in 2025.
Metcalf is going to want an extension. Trading a high draft pick for the privilege of signing a player to an expensive contract is generally bad process.
I think he's a very good but not elite player and a R1 + Doubs is steep, whether you want to compare with Deebo or not.
I do think Metcalf would affect defenses in the way MLF wants though.
What they really need is for Wicks and Reed to figure out how to beat man coverage and not drop the ball when it hits their hands.
Watson's knee injury was separate from the other things he had prior to last season. I think the trip to Madison worked for him. He's in a contract year, and with him missing at least 2/3 of it, I suspect they could bring him back on a reasonable deal with incentives.
Not only would Metcalf want an extension, but the Packers would likely insist an extension be agreed to before giving up a high draft pick. Agree that trading a high pick for a guy you will have to pay big money to is not Gute's way of doing things.
a player has to be really special and young to get a 1st round pick. Metcalf is awesome, I love his size and demeanor. He would be worth the contract especially pairing him with a much better QB than what they currently run out there in Seattle. He, like a lot of dudes are not getting a 1st round pick. I would think a 3rd or 4th would be the expected value along with a player like Doubs.
The Packers need a deep threat weapon and more importantly a physical weapon that can box out defensive backs and win the contested balls on a regular basis. I can't see them trading for Metcalf, but I tell you I wouldn't hate it.
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You know my opinion on Doubs is the opposite of yours and many others here, but you are correct in this situation. Hurt to say it, but the first hard shot he takes will probably take him out for a week or two. He is the best set of hands but health is bad. If Seattle took him ok but they would want Wicks or Watson. I say trade whichever is accepted for DK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
How much of that is the QB situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by smuggler
100% agree with this post. You don't give up a 1st rounder for a player who only has 1 year left on his contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by run pMc
Deebo for a 5th. I would give a 3rd for Metcalf.
I'm not sure our opinions are that much different. I like Doubs, and think he is a valuable WR to have. He is effective, but not high impact. QBs seem to find him, and he is mostly reliable when thrown to. But, he has been the most targeted receiver the last 3 years, yet has no 100 yard games, only two games with 80+ yards, no 40+ yard receptions. You can't build a big-time passing game around Doubs as the primary receiver. Possession type receivers are valuable, but more easily found than true game breakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadtownPackerYou know my opinion on Doubs is the opposite of yours and many others here, but you are correct in this situation. Hurt to say it, but the first hard shot he takes will probably take him out for a week or two. He is the best set of hands but health is bad. If Seattle took him ok but they would want Wicks or Watson. I say trade whichever is accepted for DK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Given more opportunities, Malik Heath might develop into a suitable substitute (not replacement) for Doubs.
Wicks and Watson just have more potential, which I would like to see play out. I don't see Doubs ever being much more than he already is, which is decent even if not high impact.
Agree of the top 4, Doubs has the lowest ceiling/upside. You could argue he has a higher floor than Wicks and Watson. He technically had a 100+ yard game vs. DAL in the playoffs last year.
I'd say he's been a good draft pick for a Day 3 WR, and I think he'll get a 2nd contract elsewhere for more than he'll struggle to perform up to. He's a good WR3/4 and some probably expect more than that.
I wouldn't rush out to sign him to a 3/45M deal, someone will. Gute needs to keep drafting WRs. MLF needs to develop them better.
That Knee injury was due to the hamstring not protecting the knee, in most non-contact ACL injuries it is because the hamstring fails, so say what you what about his trip to Madison as there many factors to the hamstring and ACL injuries, but in most cases hamstring instability leads to the instability of the knee which then creates the potential for ACL injuriesQuote:
Originally Posted by run pMc
I don't hate him, but he isn't special. I don't know how many draft picks the Packers want to continue to dump into their linebacker position group, so in that sense the signing makes sense because he really doesn't hurt you. Ty'ron Hopper was taken with a 4th round pick last year and his development has been slower than you want but unfortunately what you expected if you read his pre draft write ups. Also Eric Wilson was decent as well. My question is can Quay Walker finally take his final steps to becoming a consistent above average linebacker that is worthy of an extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
This is why I’d ship him over Doubs. I don’t think Watson can stay on the field to have production. And Doubs concussion issues could subside with time while Watsons recurring Hamstring (now ACL) put his ceiling lower imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
Hard to trade Watson when his 2025 season may be in doubt with the knee recovery. Teams usually don't like to trade for dudes that are currently in rehab mode
Hard to trade Doubs when the last image is of him barely able to walk due to another concussion, despite having the extra protection on his helmet.
Adams released by Jets
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/j...wide-receiver/
Kicker McManus signed for three years.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-news-ro...uesday-march-4
Absolutely Sign Davante!
According to Rich Eisen, apparently the Browns have exactly zero interest in trading Myles Garrett.
Well, re-signing the Scottish butthole was probably the most important signing the Packers could've made. Kickers don't cost that much, and now they've got one and have one less position to fret about.
I think there's a much better chance that the Packers sign MVS than Davante. Showed last year he still has his speed and would come cheap.