FWIW RG, you are as much a part of the problem as those you lambast. Your attitude and treatment of others does this forum no favors. Just my opinion ...
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FWIW RG, you are as much a part of the problem as those you lambast. Your attitude and treatment of others does this forum no favors. Just my opinion ...
Retail, Come on! This place has been very welcoming to the three new people that found it in the last year.
I agree. Thumb screws are much more effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
I'm sorry RG but it goes both ways. Early on, the pro-Favre crowd was very loud and very in your face in their support of Favre. Does it suck that those people left? Of course. But for the life of me I can't figure out why these people would think this would be a safe haven to talk about Favre. I've never checked, but I'm sure there are plenty of message boards dedicated to supporting Favre. It is ridiculous to expect Favre not to be a heated topic. It is even more ridiculous to think that flaunting it and fanning the flames would be a smart thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by retailguy
I really don't understand your bolded point. As far as I know, you and Pugger have never had any trouble. You say she wouldn't be missed because she is against Favre?
You talk about having thick skin and allowing alternate viewpoints but apparently only when it comes to allowing Favre talk.
I don't want to get in a high and mighty discussion about spanking. I don't do it myself. I don't think it's the best way to work with a kid. People at my work were talking about how high and mighty and ridiculous people who don't spank their kids are. I disagreed and let their sarcasm roll off. People can do it their won way. They can disagree with me, I can disagree with them, but we go our own way and do our own version of the best. Whatever. Their insult was just something I was able to ignore. That was more my point, who cares what they think, who cares if they don't like my style, who cares if they don't believe in it. Goodbye, have a good day and in the end it will work out how it works out.
I suppose I'm somewhere in the middle on the whole issue of wanting Favre to do well. I wouldn't want Favre to go out and have a 2005 type year. I'd feel bad for him if that happened. However, during a given week, I'm not going to be cheering for Favre to have a great game because that would increase the Vikings chances of winning. As long as the Vikings are the Packers chief divisional rival, I won't cheer for the Vikings quarterback to have a great game no matter who it is. Now if the Vikings winning a late season game against an NFC team would help the Packers gain playoff position, that's another story.
Of course, I also have Favre on one Fantasy Football team, so I have to hope he has a few good games. :oops:
Favre being on the vikes makes for good football; I wouldn't want it any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Wow. You don't usually trot out generalizations, but if that's the way you think I guess it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
I've been a member of a couple of acoustic guitar forums for the better part of 10 years. I've been through two or three moves with the Martin Guitar forum and many software changes and updates. I drive a Mercedes and have been a member there for well over 5 years. The membership there is largely static, and has been for a long long time. This place isn't "static" right now.
Yes, some people come and go. That's to be expected, however, the core doesn't. When you have a mass exodus, which this place has had, there are reasons for it. You don't agree with mine, that's fine. I'm sure some of them did move on for the reasons you discuss, but ALL of them? I find that difficult to believe.
But as Falco put it, it's my opinion, and in this case, I'm sticking with it.
Justin, certainly wasn't trying to get into a "high and mighty" about spanking. My point was that sometimes there are multiple ways to do things and neither are wrong. Neither are right either for that matter. Circumstances make that determination.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
You tend to live in a black and white world. I believe that in my 20's I did too. My world becomes increasingly gray as time moves on, and that's more than just my hair.
I wouldn't change one thing in raising these girls, including spanking, and I certainly don't begrudge you for choosing a different path. However, I was just driving at "right" and "wrong", and I think this example is a perfect illustration that finding either is a process and not a defined path.
IF AR keeps performing and not getting hurt for another season or two, people are going to start treating him exactly how we treated #4 for a long time.
What favre became personality wise is what we, the fans and media, turned him into, Yes, many fans wer enever completely sold on brett - they felt he was a good QB, but he just never learned from his mistakes.
AR seems like a stand up guy right now, he most likely is. Favre was a stand up guy for awhile too, facing real life issues with addiction and alcohol, and we all appreciated him more. We appreciate AR more because of how he has performed and what he has said in regards to following a legend.
The thing is, he is a QB. A really good QB, one of the best in the league right now. He is going to get special treatment, just like Brett, eventually. Peyton gets it, I am sure brees gets it. Does that mean his personality will be the same? Hardly, everyone is different.
I guess the point is that to expect a Brett Favre conversation to not happen at one of the biggest, most popular, Packer forums on the net when he was our guy for 16 years is just not being realistic. Are we to retreat to viking forums, jet forums (I did this for a bit, they had some really stand up fans), when we want to discuss #4? We talka obut other players all the time on the boards - we hav ea thread now on sidney rice and his hip, we've had threads on urlacher when he gets hurt, I think we had a thread on AP a couple years ago - we love talking about the other players in our division - Brett is one of them, and he us to be one of us.
Of course we are going to talk about him, I just don't get why it can't just be that "talking" - without personally insulting eachother just because we have a difference in opinion.
Geeze, you're comparing a sports board with guitar players and Mercedes drivers? I've been on numerous hockey boards, and the changes have been far more dramatic than what has happened here.Quote:
Originally Posted by retailguy
Do you really want a sports discussion board to be static? As fast as teams and coaches change, that isn't likely to happen.
As to the bold comment above, who said "all"? There you go with a "hot/cold" analysis, when "warm" is the answer. I recognized by my comment that some have left for the reasons you mentioned. So what? Many others have left for other reasons, too. That was my point. Even without the Favre matter, the board would have changed.
Quite frankly (apologies to Joe) this place was a lot more interesting when it had a home page, with articles, etc. But I never really expected that to last. Too much commitment required by too many different people. It was nice while it lasted.
I think you are projecting your feelings about Favre to the rest of the board, and Packer fans in general. I loved Favre, but would never defend him to the death the way others did. There has always been a difference between the staunchest Favre fans who defended his every interception and everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by packerbacker1234
Personally, I hope AR never becomes like Favre, either in personality or playing style. The very thing that I respect the most about Rodgers, his work ethic, is the thing that turned me off on Favre. And in regards to their playing style, while Favre had more "wow" plays it is refreshing to have a QB who doesn't make you hold your breath everytime he unleashes a bomb.
That is certainly true, players are affected by how we treat them, some a lot more than others. But I think they are affected more by how their coaches and team management treat them. Holmgren treated the young Favre with an iron hand. Sherman treated the middle-age Favre (football-wise), with kid gloves. I have always thought that MM inherited an aging Favre with an attitude created by the change from Holmgren to Sherman, and there wasn't much he could do about it. To try to change Favre at that point was a lost cause destined to create hard feelings on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by packerbacker1234
The Favre thing exposed a lot of different opinions that people didn't know they had, and that some still refuse to admit. We had "staunch Packer fans" who openly admitted to wanting Favre to beat the Packers. Others were offended by a "Packer fan" who said that. Others who wanted the Packers to win but still cheered for Favre in other games were offended by those who now detest Favre in all things. The same thing happens when a winning team becomes a loser. True loyalties are exposed, be it team, player, coach, GM etc. and others take offense to whatever attitudes there are.
I've skipped the last 30 or so pages of this thread I think, but I was wondering something:
Favre is going into the Hall of Fame. Favre deserves to be in the Packers Hall of Fame. I'm not convinced that you can asshole your way out of either one with lofty accomplishments. The question is: do the Packers put him in immediately after the (I assume it to be a) 5 year waiting period after he retires (and unretires and retires and unretires and retires and unretires and retires) or do they wait longer until emotions have cooled?
Which is exactly how I felt when he was a Packer.Quote:
Originally Posted by falco
This is a great, great line. The use of "asshole" as a verb - genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiganPackerFan
My thinking is that Favre's number will be retired in Green Bay once Favre has actually retired and been retired, and after he either mellows toward Thompson or until Thompson is gone.
So since he "retired" 3 years ago after this season does that mean in two years he could be in the Hall?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz
If you look for me Tampa you'll be looking forever. Sorry if my wanting the QB of a divisional rival makes me out to be some sort of heartless meany or big Favre hater but I want the Packers to win and I do NOT want any of the other teams in the NFC North to win. I used to feel a lot of animosity towards Favre but now I don't care one way or another. I think he is only looking out for #1 and always has. I thought he was different than other elite athletes but he sure fooled me. But as long as he is wearing purple I want the Packers to pound him and the rest of the queens. Now that he no longer is a Packer he is just another player on a rival. I appreciate all he did when he was here but this isn't 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by retailguy
Is poor little retail getting picked on for no reason again? There there retail.
This is pretty much how I feel. Favre is a real talent and I enjoyed watching him, even with the Jets, but the Vikings are a bridge too far. I can't enjoy watching him play for them (and play well, dammit) because I want the Viking to lose, and lose badly, every time they play. That's what being a lifer Packer fan does to you. I don't grudge the BFFFs their enjoyment in watching Favre play, but that's not where I'm at, so don't expect the same from me. I'll enjoy it when he gets inducted into the HOF (assuming he doesn't make cheap shots at the Pack).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugger