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Tag and trade him.
Let's say Cobb is worth $9M/year, that doesn't automatically mean the Packers should give it to him. No team can afford to have top paid guys at every position. Without Nelson, they might be happy to pay that to Cobb. If both were FAs, I wonder which would be their priority?
Some sya slot receivers are not being paid that much, but Cobb is more than just a slot receiver. His versatility allowed MM to be more creative.
The next couple weeks will be interesting.
Arguably Cobb is the best slot receiver in the NFL. Pack needs to re-sign him. That said, there are a couple guys in the draft that are Cobb clones...Phillip Dorsett and Tyler Lockett. Either one of these guys could step right in and take over if Cobb doesn't sign with us. Offense wouldn't skip a beat.
http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/709118
Last second signing?
Some of that creativity is because Cobb doesn't escape press man coverage well. In the backfield, he is more likely to get a linebacker. He isn't in the backfield to run, though they do need to run him on occasion to keep the defense honest with that linebacker.
He is an odd slot receiver. He is better at getting open after the play has broken down. The Packers would certainly miss him, but I am not convinced he is worth Nelson money. That would be a signing down out of lack of depth. Someone mentioned the last three draft picks need to pay off, but while Adams would seem ready to step in, Abbredaris, Boykin and Janis are uncertainties.
Well they better sign him soon because the amount of FA money just keeps climbing. The Cardinals just waived Darnell Dockett and the Dolphins, just refer to them as Jets 2.0, have released every WR but Mike Wallace.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rnell-dockett/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rian-hartline/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...randon-gibson/
I'm starting to think a tag and sign might be a possibility here. I'd rather not see a $12.5 mil cap hit but they can spread that if necessary when they lock him up longer term.
Scrambling to google Phillip Dorsett and Tyler Lockett for a more focused examination and 'NO' Randall Cobb.
On second thought ............why?
What are the guarantee on either of these NFL prospects ( and 'any LOCK NFL success) Vs the bona fide Randall Cobb?
It's the age old 'bird in the hand is worth ..... whatever' argument'.
I'll make this prediction right now:
If the Packers lose Randall Cobb. You can write off next season and any hope of going to and winning the Super Bowl.
At times I think NFL front offices need to be concerned about the perception that they are willing to re-sign their very top talent. The Packers being primarily a draft and develop team, it is important for them to retain the best of the developed talent, and that would be Cobb among the skill position guys. It might be tougher to retain that talent if the perception by the players ever becomes, "I get drafted by the Packers, I play at a high, productive level, and they let me walk before my second contract." That would not be a good trend. I understand that you also shouldn't do FA signings as PR moves, but to me, if you are not going to sign your best, who are you going to sign? As many have noted here, TT usually gets a second contract done with highly productive players. I see them getting something done with Cobb.
Common sense dictates that YOU ARE 100% correct !!
If the packers lose COB the Packers advertising of Draft and develop and it's all about the family will be seriously left in ill repute.
TT must get this done and retain Randall Cobb.
TT's failed in the obvious before.....Randy Moss..and that cost the Packers another Super Bowl berth and likely win. I can 'only' hope that lack of focus and all the scapegoating I read here on that ....took Ted Thompson 'to school'.
The reputation of Ted Thompson and the 'Green Bay Packer FAMILY' is seriously on the line and Randall Cobb.
GO Ted Thompson GO !! >>> GO PACK GO !
So Ted is gonna force Cobb to resign with us holding a gun to his head? If some team offers Randall a ridiculous contract that screws up our cap chances are Cobb is gonna walk away. It will depend upon what Randall wants. Does he want to continue to play with the best QB in football and possibly get a ring or does he want to pad his bank account. I'd be disappointed if he leaves but it won't be the end of the world. Ted has a great knack for finding WRs in the draft and this is another good WR class.
I'm not in the camp that believes not signing Randy Moss cost us a SB berth. If Moss was the answer how come he didn't help NE win one?
watching lots of Packers replays today...also lots of clutch, very important, plays by cobb. they're NOT going to let that get away.
Pugger, you're right. Cobb might get a ridiculous offer elsewhere, and Green Bay may not match it, so in that case, I guess they'd be doing what is cap responsible. What I was referring to was making him a priority signing with a generous and fair offer to stay with the club. I don't think they will low ball him and let him walk.
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/20...a-letroy-guion
Look at the tweet right after the end of the article. :-)
So if Cobb gets hurt early again, the season will be lost? I don't think that would be the case. The Packers have been able to weather the loses of a lot of players.
If they lose Cobb in FA, they can plan the offense to play without him. It will be easier than if he is lost for the year in camp or early in the season. I think they will be able to make do.
They can tag him, and still allow him to seek offers elsewhere. Then, they can either match or negotiate a deal to give the other team the power to sign him. Doesn't have to be two first rounders. I'd say a tag is plausible, as that 12.5 guaranteed salary can just become part of the signing bonus that's sure to be well north of that amount anyway.
The fact that Cobb is not tagged leads me to believe a deal is imminent, but it's not proof positive, obviously.
Completely disagree. Unless we have someone of equal talent or production I think our offense loses a lot of potency. Cobb scores tds and converts 3rd downs. Our defense isn't going to be lights out any time soon so we need fire power. I doubt a rookie or a 2nd year guy who contributed zilch last year can replace that. We aren't contenders with a diminished offense in my opinion.
No way will they franchise tag him. At $12.5 million, it would put his salary into an entirely different bracket. A player who gets tagged starts negotiating at 2X the cap number as the guaranteed amount for the next contract. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-term-deals/
He will walk for far less than $12.5 and the tag won't even come up.
You can't build a team and keep the cap in shape with a "this player is almost indispensable, we won't make the Super Bowl without him" approach. Maybe for you QB and maybe for one player on the Defense. But certainly not a WR.
Woodbuck earlier (weeks ago) said he wanted Cobb signed _now_ for $8.5 million per over four years. He apparently wants $9 mil per. At exactly what price do you advise the Packers to say no to?
Or should the Packers tag him?
[QUOTE=Patler;829463]Are you considering Adams to be the guy who contributed zilch, or are you talking about Janis and Abbrederis?[/QUOTE
I meant zilch literally.
The Packers have an amount they are willing to pay for every free agent on their team. Just as they rate a player in the draft according to the position they are willing to draft them. If they do not rate one of the available ILBs in this draft worthy of the 30th pick in the draft, they will not draft them, or they will trade down to a position where they would be willing to draft them. I'm sure Cobb and Bulaga have been slotted accordingly. They won't pay significantly over what their value indicates. This is the only way to manage the cap in the NFL today. Overpaying for a free agent may not hurt you this year, but it very definitely will sometime through the remainder of the contract. You don't overpay for free agents from your team or from other teams. Sherman did that and Thompson had to fix the cap. hey won't let history repeat itself on Thompson's watch.
absolutely. So Cobb will likely test the FA market and have to decide if the marginal increase in SB he gets from another team is worth the risk of seeing his career slide, no playoffs, no pro bowl, and a meager third contract. He either better be going to another team with a very good QB and weapons or be getting a substantially greater SB/guaranteed money.
Cobb will not, in my opinion, leave Green Bay to go to Cleveland or Jacksonville. He doesn't want to end up like Greg Jennings or Eric Decker. Now, if Seattle, Denver, New England or Indy come calling, that could be different. The question though is whether teams with a great QB feel the need to pay big money for a slot receiver. I think he'll be back with Green Bay on March 9 after most of Packer Nation has a collective heart attack.
Well, you can tell Cobb is a fan favorite. Much passion on this thread. My view is more neutral. If we can sign him at a reasonable paycheck, great. If we can't, tough titty, time to give one of the new kids a shot and/or draft a replacement. My opinion is we have much higher needs on the team (ILB, TE, somebody in the middle of the DL, etc). Its a tough business which does not allow us to sign everybody we want, ya gots to have priorities.
You do need priorities, and one of TT's priorities has been to make sure his QB has weapons. If Cobb isn't signed, this will be the most unproven group of WR's the Packers have has since 2006, when the had Driver and rookie Greg Jennings as the starters. Not saying it will all end badly if Cobb isn't signed, but it would be a bigger question mark than usual.
I think this is more than fan favorite. The bench was supremely loaded 3 years ago and for a while it looked like only Driver would leave.
But then Jennings and Jones left and Boykin didn't pick it up in Year 2. Depth is a much different and younger story now. It also might allow Ted more room for Cobb's contract. If Jennings and Jones were still hear even at team friendly deals, it wouldn't fit.
I wonder if Ted is still smarting and learning from the Brad Jones quandry. Ted let the cupboard get bare and so I think ponied up more than he would probably normally have.
Will he think he doesn't want to overpay again?
packers said to be very interested in hurricane Phillip Dorsett
possible cobb replacement
5-9 or 5-10, 185 pounds. 4.33 speed. stole the show at the senior bowl
could be this years 2nd round WR pick for us
http://walterfootball.com/draft2015WR.phpQuote:
Sources say that Dorsett could be a steal on the second day of the 2015 NFL Draft. They say he has elite speed and will be a vertical weapon in the NFL. As a prospect, Dorsett is said to have a similar skill set to Mike Wallace, but Dorsett is more polished as a route-runner than Wallace was coming out of Ole Miss in 2009.
Dorsett was one of the stars of the Senior Bowl as he dominated in practice. He was constantly getting separation with his elite speed and route-running. Dorsett looks like a big-play threat, but also does well in the short part of the field because of how sudden he is in and out of his breaks.
Entering the Senior Bowl, Dorsett had gone under the radar, but performed really well as a senior. Miami was playing a freshman quarterback in 2014 and leaned on running back Duke Johnson, thus Dorsett didn't get many targets and had only 36 receptions on the season. However, Dorsett showed his talent by averaging 24 yards per reception for 871 yards and 10 touchdowns. A knee injury took away a chunk of his junior year, but as a sophomore, he had 58 catches for 842 yards and four touchdowns.
I wonder what the asking price would be for Greg Jennings if the Vikings release him. He might not be able to beat elite CB's anymore, but he probably has enough left to be an effective slot receiver.
And further evidence that the Sign Him Now crowd is Out To Lunch.
Now that is a complete a rumor as you will get as JSO. But it kinda puts a different spin on the talks so far, doesn't it?Quote:
One source said the word going around at the NFL combine league personnel staff and executives was that his price was $12 million per year.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/294719831.html
Dorsett was a guy I liked but Mayock and others have really put the spotlight on him, so the cat's out now...
If the following is true, does it change your opinion at all about whether Cobb was being fair, Cobb is asking for the moon, or Thompson is being stingy?
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The Packers may have set a ceiling of $10 million per year with Cobb since that is what veteran Jordy Nelson receives and they probably don't want to pay him more. Cobb appears to have a higher number than that. One source said the word going around at the NFL combine league personnel staff and executives was that his price was $12 million per year.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/294719831.html