Bingo. Good work Dan. If the Packers had removed their collective head from their collective tail, that record would be 3-0. But 2-1 is reasonable indicator that this team is good and possibly capable of great.
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Understand your point, and I agree, but I think his point was that if we had to face Philadelphia, in Philly, against Vick TODAY, we would probably lose. Dan's stats seem to back up that point.
The funny thing is that, in this thread, I don't think PB1234 and Dan are really saying anything different.
Philly is the class of the NFC right now if you ask me, and then there is a slightly lower tier of teams, that the Packers belong in, and both of them seem to be saying we'll enter Philly's tier if we win.
I don't understand the debate.... :?:
Perhaps, but I read his point as "look at what Vick did in the second half against the Packers. Extrapolate that out and the Packers probably lose that game." Both teams have gotten better since that game and the Packers would have a chance to prepare and look at film of Vick. Something not available to them at the time. I am not buying Philly over the Packers yet.
I think that this game against the Falcons might tell us that. I think that the Eagles just might be the best team in the NFL. If we manage to beat the Falcons and the Patriots, then for me the discussion changes. I'm not as sure as Tony that Vick can be contained. The Giants pulled it off but still lost the game...
Your excellent reasoning was like Data would have spelled it out. Good job.
Even Data has a bad day now and again, tho...http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...arTrekData.gif
Just picked up my tickets. Good news/bad news: got em for $60 each because they're player-area tickets and comparable seats are going for $139 on stubhub. Bad news is I can't wear any Packers gear but I'm at least encouraged to cheer as crazy as I want.
Same buddy who I met in Milwaukee to go to the Cowboys game is down to join me and my wife for her first NFL game. We're excited GO PACK GO!!
Not sure vick can be contained. The giants sort of did it, and yet he still didn't turn over the ball, the eagles still scored points, and in the end still won the game. That RB they have is not someone to be overlooked. Guy is scary fast. Combined with the threat of vick running and his stellar play throwing the ball this year, I don't know. It would have to be a shootout I think for us to win, and I don't know if we are consistent enough yet offensively to win a 40 poiint shootout.
I mean I know it's been debated, but Vick is, right now, playing like he is the best QB in the entire NFL. 4-1 record for the eagles against teams with winning records right now (best in the NFL), and vick is undefeated in every game he starts all 4 quarters.
Yeah... not even we have anything that can comapre to how impressive that is.
With the way he runs around, Vick has suffered some injuries in his career. There's no telling how healthy he'll be come playoff time. Also, it seems he's riding the Favre "career year" path. How the hell does he have no interceptions? He normally throws around a dozen or more picks/year in fewer than 400 pass attempts. The NFC Championship Game seems like a good place for him to revert back to the norm. We'll see. I called Philly as a contender before the year, so I'm certainly not going to pooh pooh their chances now. They aren't unbeatable though.
We may all change our minds about our teams chances in this and that scenario after today....for the better I hope.
This is about as pumped up for one game that I've been in a long time. The Arizona game, Dallas in 2007, the Favre matchups, this game. . . .
This is a huge game.