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Tue Dec. 30, 2014
The 2014 MMQB Awards
The regular season is over, but the NFL makes fans wait another month before revealing its annual award winners. Why prolong it? We polled 26 smart NFL observers and are ready to unveil our MVP, top rookies, best coach and more
By: Peter King
Keepin the Mexican down.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3irty1
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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
" I don't doubt Tony."
Folks keep mixing up most valuable player with best player. Had JJ is the MVP his team would be in the playoffs. He didn't lead the league in sacks, tackles or INTs. However he scored a couple TDs playing TE. His defense wasn't even in the top half of the league. The main reason IMO why he isn't the MVP is simple: If you could chose either player to play for your team who do you choose? I'd bet most GMs would take Rodgers. This is a QB driven league today. If you don't have a good/great QB you don't win. Period.
You nailed it pugs, spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugger
Now that 2nd statement isn't true. There are 35 meaningful players on a team. Even if JJ is the best defensive player in history, he can't guarantee a playoff spot. Many hall-of-fame players have spent time on bad teams, including QBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugger
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Originally Posted by woodbuck27
We only engage in dishonest discussion here at PackerratsQuote:
Originally Posted by 3irty1
Romo is juicing. Heard it from a guy who knows someone who went to a bar in Burlington.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
And it makes a swell Christmas gift!Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
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Joel Corry at the National Football Post ranked the top 5 candidates, and came up with Watt as the most deserving, while acknowledging that he will not win it. He put some statistics together on Watt's season:Quote:
Originally Posted by wist43
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...MVP-award.html
119 pressures? With the next best in the league at 85? That's insane.Quote:
Watt had one of the most dominant seasons ever for a defensive player. His historic performance was better than his 2012 season when he was named the NFL’s Defensive Player of the Year. Watt became the first player in NFL history to have multiple 20 sack seasons by tying his career high with 20.5 sacks. He had a league leading five fumble recoveries, tied for second with four forced fumbles and was second in sacks. Advanced metrics better capture Watt’s dominance. According to Pro Football Focus (PFF), Watt had a career-best 119 quarterback pressures (combined sacks, hurries and hits) to top has previous high of 85 in 2013. NFL sacks leader Justin Houston was second this year to Watt with 85 pressures.
Watt was an occasional two-way player as a red-zone threat on offense. He also became the first player in NFL history with an interception return for a touchdown, a fumble recovery touchdown and three touchdown receptions during a season. Although the Texans narrowly missed the playoffs with nine victories, Watt led the team to the NFL’s biggest win improvement in 2014. The seven-game turnaround from a league-worst two wins in 2013 occurred without a legitimate starting quarterback or another elite defensive player to turn the opposition's attention away from Watt. It will be a surprise if Watt wins the MVP because of the advantage quarterbacks have by impacting the game on practically every offensive play. A quarterback has been named MVP in 37 of the 57 years of the award. Watt should get more than four votes, which would be the most for a defensive player during the 21st century.
He doesn't even mention that Watt also deflected 10 passes.
I expect that Rodgers will win the award, but the more I think about it, I'm not sure why it is such a forgone conclusion, especially compared to other QBs (since it almost is a QB award).
- Sure, GB has little chance without him, but does that distinguish him from Brady, Luck, Brees, P. Manning, Roethlisberger or any top QB?
- Does it really even distinguish him from Demarco Murray? Where would Dallas be without him this year?
- Statistically, AR has not really separated himself from the top QBs this year.
- AR's claim to fame is the totality of his performance, as indicated by QB rating. Even in that this year, he did not separate himself from other QBs, and didn't even finish #!.
- AR didn't have a lights-out season. He was underwhelming at Seattle, at Detroit, at New Orleans, and was awful at Buffalo.
If Rodgers switched places with any other top QB this year, Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Luck, Smith, etc, (even Romo) would the Packers have been appreciably worse, or the other team appreciably better? Why does Rodgers seem to be the run-away winner over the other top QBs?
Ohh Dear Patler! Reading your posts #131 and #132 immediately above this post.
I see a convincing argument for supporting JJ Watt as this seasons MVP.
Then .... I think of this:
I know people love drama.
What we witnessed last week in Lambeau Field is about as high a drama as one might expect post anything drama and Brett Favre. How many of us Green Bay Packer fans got a tad antsy when Aaron Rodgers was carted off the field? How did Y'all feel when you saw his return? Did you R - E - L - A - X when you observed that Aaron Rodgers confident stride along the sidelines and realized that he would return to action?
The way he did return and with that strength of passing fully evident. Didn't you feel that Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers would prevail on the day? The capper when he somehow got his body and the ball over the goal line for six! Didn't you shout MVP!?
I think back to Aaron Rodgers triumphant return last season to lead the Packers again and lead the team to a third straight NFCN Championship.
Adding it up and again this season ... his body of work. Aaron Rodgers certainly does deserve his second NFL MVP Award.
Will he get it? I believe so but it will be closer and closer as the media builds the drama. More and more the NFL is becoming about drama. Which drama is most powerful? Which brew will the eligible voters swallow?
It seems now that it's Packer Nation Vs the rest of the NFL World. This member of Packer Nation shouts 'Aaron Rodgers'.
GO PACKER NATION !
Woodbuck;
I didn't mean to imply that AR doesn't deserve it, I'm just fascinated that by about a month ago, it seemed his to lose. As of then, maybe even as of now, why is he anymore the clear cut front runner than Tom Brady or several others?
AR is what he is and has been for a number of years already. Why has the hype for MVP been all about him this year, but in 2012 not so much? 2011 was easy to understand. His performance that year was a notch above all other QBs. Has he been that much better this year than he was in 2012?
Personally, I didn't feel any drama on Sunday. AR went out with an injury that looked serious, but turned out to be not as bad as feared. I was very glad to see him back, but just didn't sense any real drama about it.
Not only does Aaron Rodgers deserve the MVP. He'll win it ! The mold of tradition is hard to break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
If one plotted a curve of Aaron Rodgers and his QBR this season and building towards the big match up in Lambeau Field with the New England Patriots. You might see a clear argument for Aaron Rodgers clearing himself from any other candidate for the MVP.
Then suddenly it seemed to me; the complexion on the matter of who deserves the MVP suddenly changed focus >>> J.J. Watt became much more prominent as the deserving MVP.
Finally we're learning about the legitimate eligibility of Tony Romo.
DRAMA.
I agree that Rodgers will win it in all likelihood. For anyone other than a QB is a surprise, and for a defensive player to win would be a shock. It's easy to see players on offense as MVP, because they score points which are easy to associate win victories. It is much more difficult to tie players on defense to success of the team. No player is more closely tied to scoring points than the QBs.
I don't think it is "wrong" for Rodgers to win it this year. But I also don't think it would be "wrong" for Brady, Romo or Murray to win it.
If "most valuable" means most necessary for wins, then the award has to go to a QB of the Super Bowl contenders. But why is Rodgers the prohibitive favorite over the other QBs who took their teams to the playoffs? For Rodgers to be the hands-down favorite over Brady, you have to believe that New England would be significantly better with AR, and the Packers significantly worse with Brady. Same for the other QBS. I just don't see that as being the case.
TD/INT ratio, R-E-L-A-X, fake spike comeback win on road, Sundays drama filled cart-off and heroic lead of team after giving up lead and momentum to re-spark the team and lead to division win and placement of no. 2 seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
There maybe a couple of other reasons you could add to this list as to why AR over other QBs for the MVP race, but these are off the top of my head.
The other playoff QBs have had no similar events? What about all of the dramatic late game wins that Stafford put together? Those were extremely significant in the Lions making the playoffs. I'm sure the others have had some important performances, too.
The over-hyped "R-E-L-A-X" thing? I'm not sure what that has to do with the MVP award. Brady made some bold statements when the Patriots were 2-2 as well. The media just picked up on AR's.
The fake spike? Just another play which has been done by others. Nothing novel or creative. Besides, the "most valuable" performer on the fake spike was probably Adams for recognizing it, making the catch and getting the first down.
To me, any "heroics" against Detroit are off set by AR crapping the bed against Buffalo. That was very un-MVP.
TD/INT ratio is a plus for sure. But his TD # alone was good, but certainly not overly impressive, and his low number of interceptions is somewhat offset by his consistent fumbling this year. He was very fortunate to lose only two of the 10 fumbles he had. But for a great effort by TJ Lang, one of the fumbles would have been a killer.
Romo lead a team that few predicted to do well, and elevated it to a division winner. He did so in such an efficient manner, that he beat Rodgers for highest QB rating. He did so with broken bones in his back. Is that any less heroic than Rodgers playing with a sore calf?
Jeesssshh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
I hope none of the eligible voters see your posts Patler. :-)
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