Yep, the Packers run a ton of 3 wide. And it was usually Adams outside with Jordy after Boykin came up a cropper.
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This is the Raiders. The team that needs to get younger and so they go sign MJD as a free agent. Then they start and play some combo of MJD & DMC all year while Latavius Murray sits on the bench.
At WR, I think they were starting Andre Holmes and Rod Streater ahead of JJ for a few games. Laughable!
yup, that why i mentioned that exact thing on the last page, or maybe it was this one
it was a shot at the people who have been saying "of cobb isn't all about the money, if TT comes withon a million dollars of what someone else offers him, he'll stay". "he's not like all the others"
sounds like cobbs agent told the packers he wanted 10 a year, and the packers countered with the 8-9 million a year figure we heard, so cobb is hitting the market where the raiders have announced (through an unnamed sourse inside the organization because that would be tampering if someone with a name said it) they'll give him between 11 and 12 million a year
it seems like the hometown discount was for about 10 million a year. waaay too much IMO. the packers offer was right where it should have been IMO
Greg Olson just got 7.5/mil per year. Cobb isn't worth $2.5mil more at 24 years old?? Come on.
There's something to be said about having a target, but to lose the guy over $1m is just stubborn.
EDIT -- Now if the story is that they want to use that money to bring in some other big time players then fine, but if they roll cap space into next year and lose out on Cobb over $1m I'm going to go apeshit.
if you give everyone, just another million a year, we end up about 52 million over the cap
or in our case around 45 million over
if you give everyone just an extra 10% we end up over the cap too
gotta draw your lines and stick to your guns sometimes
but yeah, i would hope we use that money to sign some decent free agents if we don't spend it on him. its not like we have a bunch of bigtime contracts coming due in the next year, do we?
Raiders with even more money to spend. I'm guessing that Cobb will be gone as either the Jags or Raiders will probably offer him in the $11 - $13 million range or a lot more guaranteed money. Both teams need to generate some excitement in their fan base and they both have a lot of money that has to be spent. Shit, between the two of them they can buy just about everybody.
@VicTafur: Branch, Woodley and Jones-Drew off the books puts #Raiders at $64 million under the salary cap. Schaub's departure will make it $69.5 million.
I figured Cobb would sign with us for 5 yrs at 45 mil, 20 mill gar.
Boy was I wrong.
This FA market is so crazy, it drove Red beyond nuts out into a calm state.
That doesn't really work in this situation. How many players don't even make $1mm? We're not talking about a 200% raise, we're talking 11% for a guy who made some of our most clutch plays last year and is the top ranked WR on the market. The line in the sand is in the sand for a reason...
Maybe you can't even get this done for $10mm now... Maybe none of this matters.
There are going to be a lot of deals that just don't make sense coming up. As others have mentioned, the floor completely changes the game.
Cobb does know whats going to happen when he goes to the raiders right?
I think I'd pay that if that's true. Sign Cobb at 4/40, $20 mil guaranteed. Bulaga 3/27 $15 guaranteed. Tramon 3/15. Probably gotta give him $10 mil to sign. He'd be overpaid by the end of that deal but he'd make a decent dime/contingency CB at some point if/when he loses a step.
That might not get Tramon signed but I'd rather do that than pay House 3/$21.
Draft a couple inside linebackers, a corner or two, an OLB or two, maybe a fast slot receiver, TE and have at it. That's $25 mil if you stretch out the signing bonuses and still leaves $8 mil in the rollover fund.
This number has been reported from a number of different places and not just the usual. I tend to believe it:
Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 12h12 hours ago Green Bay, WI
RT @CharlesRobinson: League source says #Packers balked at paying Cobb contract averaging $10M per year. He'll hit free agency.
If Brandt is to be believed, and I think there may be one other story out there that was not during his time, Ted has made last minute decisions to sign at the player's price.
He did so for Clifton and Shields. So $9 million is not a line in stone. More like a line in dry, baked clay.
Not everyone can work at Hertz. Some people need to work at Avis.
I bet the people at Avis are just as happy. The only people counting wins and championships are us.
It ain't just Ted. You can damn well believe that Cobb will be BEGGING for Green Bay to up their offer a bit if he gets an $11M avg from Oakland. He doesn't want to go there. He knows he'll become invisible. No prime time games. No postseason games.
My guess is that Cobb is hoping that the Packers (or another contending team) offer him a deal worth $10M avg once the top of the market is set by the filthy rich teams with nothing to offer by cash. Wasting your prime years in Oakland is a mistake many have come to regret.
I don't see Thompson forking over more than $9M avg though. I think Thompson is ALWAYS content to let teams overpay for people...then browse the bargain bin in a week. There are a lot of aging WRs out there who might have 1 year left in them if Rodgers is the QB throwing them the ball...and they'll be far cheaper than $10M a year.
Ted might fork over $10m but a team like Oakland has oodles of cap space and they can offer guys like Cobb the moon. Let's say McKenzie offers Cobb $11m+. If he does Ted isn't going to match that. He'll offer Randall 10 and it will be up to Cobb if he wants the extra $1m catching passes from Carr or if he'll stay with us catching balls from AR and the chance for a ring.
There is also the issue of endorsements. Even though Green Bay is by far the smallest market, Rodgers and Matthews have more national endorsements than most guys in the league because the team wins.
thats what a few of us have been talking about the last few pages
championships mean something to us the fans. to players football is a job/business. and thats not gonna change until super bowl winners start getting massive bonuses
suh is about to become the highest paid defensive player of all time, how much has he won? only a handful of guys get the big endorsements, most will not. and for most it doesn't matter if they win a super bowl or not. being a "winner" has almost no effect on income level
hell look at jay cutler
oh, and lets not forget, it might not be the "oakland" raiders for too much longer
and a player has a much better chance of getting a local marketing deal in LA then they do in green bay
Russell Wilson got endorsements because he won a SB. Winning accelerates the endorsement prospects. But some guys have no interest in that. They likely just want the money from the contract. Don't know what Cobb wants in the big picture, but given his size I would think that his career will be shorter than bigger WRs, so he likely will take the money while he can.
If Cobb leaves, Boykin could reemerge. In the 10 games that he replaced Cobb in 2013, he had 46 receptions for 600+ yards. When Cobb returned at the end of 2013 and all of 2014, Boykin disappeared. It may just be that Boykin is a good slot receiver, but not good enough to beat starting CB's when lined up outside. Boykin is only 25 years old, and there's no reason why a guy who was a legit #3 in 2013 would be finished.
Cobb is a very important piece of the offence. he's a sure thing, a genuine play maker. can't believe tt is being so short sighted. the window is closing with Rodgers, not opening. He'll be livid if Cobb leaves.
Rodgers is only 31. Unless he gets a serious injury he can play another 5/6 years or more. He has less wear and tear than other guys his age because he sat on the bench behind #4 for a couple of years. Brady just won a ring at age 37.
We don't know what, if anything, TT has offered Cobb. There are reports out there that Ted offered him $8/9m but who knows if this is true besides those in the negotiations? I suspect a lot of this is just conjecture by reporters trying to fill space in their newspapers and blogs.