Off-season 2023 Banjo

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

Kinda wish MILF would make a call to Todd Balls. He’s a great coordinator but a bad head coach. I suspect he will be looking for a job so maybe GB is a good fit.

Dallas vs SF is going to be a great game. I kinda think the winner of it wins the NFC. I am rooting for MM.

runpMc, I don't consider you part of the group of dumbasses and haters I refer to.

Since you asked: Virtually all of the years he has been a starter for the Packers up until this past season is the reason. 20% dropoff? I woulda thought it was even worse than that. Given the thumb injury as well as injuries to Watson, Doubs, and Lazard as well as inexperience of the rookies, a 20% drop off is not much of a surprise. The best thing about Rodgers' game, not throwing interceptions, was mostly still there. His mobility seemed to be about as good as ever. Yeah, he's 40. So what. Brady, as immobile as he has always been, played good past 40. Why would anybody think Rodgers couldn't do at least as good? With hopefully a full year of improved performance by the rookies as well as possibly improved play by Tonyan a year plus out from his injury as well as IMO a good chance Lazard stays as well as maybe drafting somebody, there's a lot of reason he will have better targets. So why the hell not?

Is that enough for you? I assume it is not for some of these pathetic haters.

After reading RG's post, I'll include probably better O Line play as a reason also. RG, the only quarrel I would have with your post is the idea that it's a majority of people in here posting that idiotic crap - more like 5 or 6 or 7 Rodgers hating dumbasses.

I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that Rodgers plays significantly better next year. I also think he could play as bad or worse. My gut feeling is he would have a better regular season and lose in the playoffs again in the wild card or divisional round.

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Originally Posted by RashanGary

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

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It's not a pipe dream that Rodgers is better and the supporting cast is better. It's a bit of a stretch for all the players listed to improve and be healthy. It is probably a pipe dream to think that Rodgers will put up the numbers he did in 2020 and 2021. So where does that leave the Packers? Playoffs and a 1 and done.

The Packers are stuck with Rodgers so we'll have to hope for the best. I'm just not expecting it to be that great.

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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker

The idiocy and dumbassery is in thinking that it's unlikely Rodgers will bounce back. It's also idiotic to think that the Packer brass have the same kind of stupidity manifested by some fools in here.

The question mark would be how Love would play if he got the chance. I'd say the range on that would be from a little below average to a little above average for NFL QBs, which probably is where Rodgers was this past season with the injuries to him and the receivers etc. I say again, it's typically stupid for ya'all haters to expect that to continue.

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It's not idiocy. Before this season started we both know you would have called someone an idiot if they expressed concern that Rodgers would have a poor year and play like an average QB. He did.

Everyone knows he has the chance to bounce back. Everyone but you also realizes there are legit reasons to be concerned. Your position is so extreme that your valid points lose credibility.

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Originally Posted by MadScientist

It's not a pipe dream that Rodgers is better and the supporting cast is better. It's a bit of a stretch for all the players listed to improve and be healthy. It is probably a pipe dream to think that Rodgers will put up the numbers he did in 2020 and 2021. So where does that leave the Packers? Playoffs and a 1 and done.

The Packers are stuck with Rodgers so we'll have to hope for the best. I'm just not expecting it to be that great.

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Starting the season, the best odds any team has at a SB is 1 in 4. So literally no team in the league is ever expected to win the SB. Saying we’re unlikely to win the Super Bowl is just stating the obvious.

The Packers need a really special offseason of growth from young players. It’s possible to win one with 12. And the situation isn’t that dire.

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Originally Posted by RashanGary

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

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Above all those things, I think the thing that hurt him the MOST this year was his thumb injury. He will/should be fully healed from that to start next season.

AR will be the MVP next year.

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Originally Posted by Tony Oday

AR will be the MVP next year.

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If he's on a different team

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Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael

Kinda wish MILF would make a call to Todd Balls. He’s a great coordinator but a bad head coach. I suspect he will be looking for a job so maybe GB is a good fit.

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Lots of posters here think LeFleur needs Balls.

MLF and Gute need to simply approach Rodgers like McCarthy and Thompson approached Favre, "We aren't going to make any special circumstances for you anymore in Green Bay, we would like to have you back in Green Bay, but our roster is in the hands of the front office and we like always will do our best to put together a championship roster."

For a guy that states that he is all about relationships, Rodgers should know that when you take up 1/4 of the salary cap certain buddies of yours won't be able to stick around anymore because they make too much money and the Packers can't afford to pay Rodger's buddies that are free agents. Do you want Aaron Jones on the roster, or Randall Cobb and Mercedes Lewis? Do you want David Baktari on the roster, or would you rather the team resign Rashan Gary? For as intelligent as everyone claims Rodgers is, he sure acts completely ignorant how the NFL actually works. Maybe if he didn't fuck up the cap situation by demanding his 2023 year on his old contract be voided so he could sign a new 200 million dollar deal just so his ego could be appeased the Packers would have negotiated earlier with Devante Adams and wouldn't have insulted him.

The guy is an asshole and every interview he does you can just see it drip out of the fake mask he wears as a compassionate teammate and relationship builder in the locker room. The Packers are completely held hostage by his contract. There is no realistic way the Packers can make any moves with the numbers on the books whether he stays, retires, or gets traded. He has handcuffed the franchise with his embarrassing over blown ego.

Refuse to sign Cobb, restructure or cut Baktari, send Lewis into retirement and make it clear to Rodgers who is in charge, and that his play simply doesn't dictate who stays, comes, or goes anymore, because his play ain't that great anymore.

Funny how a burger flipper is smarter than y’all professionals on here. I am talking about y’all professors, business executives and even our resident CPA.

Bluntly put, the cap is irrelevant, as it can always be cooked. The cap serves no other purpose but to cut labor expenses for the pig owners. The Packers ain’t feeding a pig, as they ain’t got one since that Irish drunk sold the team for sixpence. They have, what, $800M sitting in a bank earning interests faster than the speed of fuck. Bezo’s making it rain.

Cash flow, not the cap, is the thing. And the Packers ain’t lacking cashing flow. Cook the fucking cap and buy a fucking Super Bowl, for fuck’s sake! The fucking Sheep-fuckers (Rams) did it!

Let’s put all the cap misunderstandings to rest: no team in a cap hell (thanks to its diva QB, right?) would be able to pay the Fucking Center, a milksop at tackle, $68M to play to play LG.

Btw, good to smell you again, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing American Underdog to your players?

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Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear

Btw, good to smell you again, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing American Underdog to your players?

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No, and No.

Cap hell is a bit of a stretch, but the reality is as teams have given away more and more guaranteed money the cap has limited wiggle room. The reason Rodgers deal is so heavy on the cap is because he has never shown that he is willing to restructure. It would be nice if he was going to retire that he would restructure and the Packers could push some of the cap hit through multiple years. The Best option since the Packers are paying for Rodgers in 2023 and 2024 is to have him play, but corners will be cut in the next couple of years until his contract is off the books.

Plus One to all three of yours, APB.

About the only thing those posters you mentioned are right about is that the Packers are "stuck with" Rodgers for a couple of years. What they're stupidly wrong about is thinking that is a bad thing. BTW, APB, did you notice, you're pretty much in agreement with TonyOday? Hell yeah, there's a good chance Rodgers will again be MVP next year. I tned to think comeback player of the year is more likely, though. He may not get the stats he had back when those same dumbasses were calling him a stat whore.

The scenario I would expect is that he plays those two years, and after next year hhe gets extended with void years or whatever, thus cooking the cap and making it entirely possible he plays a couple more beyond that - as well as smoothng things out so the team is not too bad off when he finally does hang it up.

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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker

Hell yeah, there's a good chance Rodgers will again be MVP next year.

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TPB, what do you think the odds are of Rodgers winning the MVP in 2023 if you feel there is a good chance?

The elephant in the room WRT to the cap is the Packers don't have good young players coming up to make the expensive old guys expendable. Nobody would care about trading Bak or something if they had another up-and-coming tackle coming. Their difference makers are all on their second contract and the 2020 and 2021 drafts look like ass and are killing the team. 2018, 2019 look pretty good.