Now that would be a challenge flag I'd love to watch.
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- As we previewed the past week, Boise State linebacker Leighton Vander Esch knocked it out of the park. While he wasn’t the fastest in the 40, his 4.65 mark was better than scouts expected and was a tremendous mark for the 256-pound linebacker. His 39.5-inch vertical jump ranked second among linebackers, while his 10-foot-4-inch broad was a top-four mark. His 6.88 three-cone and 4.15 short shuttle were top-five marks. Vander Esch was one of just four linebackers who ran the long shuttle, and his time of 11.57 was just .05 behind that of Josey Jewell, who clocked the fastest time. I mentioned that Vander Esch would not get past the Pittsburgh Steelers, who own the 28th selection, and I’m now hearing that Vander Esch could be drafted by the Green Bay Packers with the 14th pick. The Philadelphia Eagles would love to add Vander Esch with the last pick of the first round but have come to the conclusion he won’t be available.
- Lorenzo Carter and Roquan Smith of Georgia both had terrific combine workouts. Carter, who I’ve always believed was a first-round talent, ran under 4.5 in the 40, bested everyone in his group with a broad jump of 10-feet-10-inches and posted a vertical jump of 39.5 inches. Roquan Smith ran 4.51 and will do the rest of the drills at his pro day. I have been informed both players were red-flagged medically by a number of teams due to past injury history. While I don’t expect the medical evaluations to be a drag on the draft stock of Carter and Smith, it is something likely to be part of the debate on draft day when each player is being considered.
Tremaine Edmunds isn't 20 years old yet. He was born 5-2-1998. Which means he's probably not done growing.
I thought Todd Thompson was demoted. No? Vander Esch looks like a player Todd would draft. No thanks. The Packers have more than enough slow, white or whitish ILBers with Hyde-awful coverage skills on their roster.
If the Packers are gonna draft an ILB, I'd prefer they draft Tremaine Edmunds or the Jamie Lannister-clone - 4.38 40 is impressive.
Kids today, eh? So disrespectful. I flip burgers for the minimum-wage so I sometimes work with teenagers. A kid and I were arguing the other day about who is the GOAT corner in NFL history. The kid was like, Jalen Ramsey! I was like, kid, I was shutting down Darren Charles when you were merely a sperm, so trust me when I say Neon Deion Sanders is the GOAT. The Kid was like, who the fuck is Darren Charles?
That being said, NFL.com compares Edmunds to Urlacher. Pretty sure Urlacher was white, but if the Packer could get an Urlacher-clone, that'd be awesome. I'd take Edmunds over Vander Esch.
The Packers have holes at Tight End, Inside Linebacker, Offensive line, and Corner back.
The Packers have depth concerns at just about every position. QB, RB, WR, DL, OLB,
The Packers have a bunch of picks, but I wouldnt mind them trading back in the first round that would possibly pick up another 1st round pick or a combination of a 2nd round and a 4th round pick. The Packers don't have any play makers on defense any more. Clay Matthews is finished and overrated to begin with, and he is as close as the Packer get to having a play maker on defense. So taking a top flight defensive play at any position with the 14th pick would make just as much sense as trading the 14th pick in hopes of picking up another first round pick.
The Bills are the only team that drafts after the Packers that have two first round picks. So might not be possible
40: Urlacher 4.61 Vander Esch 4.65 Edmunds 4.54
Broad: Urlacher 122 Vander Esch 124 Edmunds 117
Bench: Urlacher 27 Vander Esch 20 Edmunds 19
Vertical: Urlacher 34 Vander Esch 39.5 Edmunds N/A
3 Cone: Urlacher 6.94 Vander Esch 6.88 Edmunds N/A
60 Yd: Urlacher 11.10 Vander Esch 11.57 Edmunds N/A
Vander Esch's overall athleticism is pretty good. Assuming you think Urlacher was athletic enough.
Hater. Claymaker was awesome at OLB, and still is. Problem is, Claymaker's a hammy pull waiting to happen. Take away the injuries and the wasteful move to ILB for a couple a seasons, and Claymaker would be giving LT a run for his money as the GOAT OLB.
Move the Claymaker to ILB when he's 38, not while he's still awesome.
Matthews has ceased to be a singular pass rush threat from OLB. He very rarely beats tackles anymore, and its been going that way for a while.
His motor, pursuit and speed are still fine. He's still a big plus on defense. He's not as good versus the run as Perry, but he has improved since the spinOrama fails versus Kaepernick.
His pass rush is fine as a second player, he is normally in the pocket and if someone moves the QB off his normal line, he will beat any blocker to the new path. But you need someone to scare the QB off his set and CMIII doesn't do that anymore. In hindsight its kind of predictable because his father was much the same way. Always close, but not dominant in pass rush.
Perry looked like he was going to be that disruptor, but he never has a full season with that kind of production. They have lots of pieces (Daniels is good too), but they need someone to wreak havoc with the pocket immediately and don't have it.
As for a difference maker at LB... I'm looking at Landry.
Vander Esch can be a second round pick. His athleticism doesn't transfer on the film I just watched of him. I don't see him being an immediate upgrade over Martinez, sure he is better than Ryan, but you don't need to use the 14th pick in the draft to find a guy better than Ryan.
Roquan Smith isn't polished either, but his athleticism shows up on film. He can cover a back or even a slot receiver, but will get eaten up by blockers. He keeps himself involved in plays, has a motor. His arm tackles will cost him at the next level. His greatest attribute is that his speed allows him to make plays all over the field. He is not a plugger type of ILB. His athleticism will be a plus when looking at matchups against the opposition. He can stay on the field during passing downs.
Sherman said that the system is broken if Shaqueem Griffin is drafted after the first three rounds. Is Richard Sherman dumb and/or brain damaged from CTE?
Denzel Ward ran 4.32 and 4.36.
Eisen ran a 5.97.
Orlando Brown had the slowest player time at 5.85.
Harold Landry looks good and performed good at the combine.
If Edmunds is not available I would be inclined to lean toward Landry. The supply of top Edge rushers is not very deep this year.
Like the trade possibilities with Buffalo.
Joemailman's 14 for 21 and 53 is good and a slight advantage for the Packers on the trade chart.
Have seen some mentions of:
Packers #1 (14) #3 (76) for Buffalo's #21 and #22 - larger advantage on the trade chart. Would be easier if Packers had got that comp 3rd for Lang instead of the 4th.
If Buffalo's QB is there and they are a little more desperate, maybe ask for another pick, or Tyrod Taylor. Taylor could be the vet QB backup next year. He's not a starter, but could get you through another bad stretch where Rodgers is missing.
It will be interesting how the front end of this draft plays out. It reminds me a lot of 2005. It is top heavy with QBs and lots of potential that might force certain players to drop. Derwin James is tremendous Athlete but not completely polished at just 21 years old that might have a chance to fall to 14. Same goes with Minkah Fitzpatrick from Alabama.
As of now the Inside linebacker corps looks strong where the Packers might not have to consider taking one with the 14th pick. The Packers could look at a couple of guys like Roquan Smith or Vander Esch, that could potentially play inside or outside. Same goes for interior defensive linemen.
Packers have to figure out their secondary and pass rush. I can't see them taking an edge rusher if they are committed to Matthews and Perry on the outside. The depth of the Edge rushers isn't great for this draft so the Packer might have to look at reaching for one with the 14th pick or hoping a kid pans out later in the draft. Fitzpatrick, Denzel Ward, and James all could be options at 14. They would all help a secondary that is lacking durability, play making potential, and consistency.
Later in the draft I feel it necessary to mention Natrell Jamerson and Leon Jacobs from Wisconsin. Both had fantastic combines and offer depth and explosiveness on special teams.
Davenport put on a show, wow! So dd Landry. The pick will almost certainly be one of those two, or the white dude from Boise.
Davenport's numbers are slightly worse than Clowney's without the intangibles, as in, everyone knew Clowney was a star from a young age.
Landry's numbers are almost spookily similar to CM3.
My gut feeling is Davenport will be gone and Landry will be the pick.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPac...andry/dv7i8w2/
I don't care what Davenport's numbers were at the combine, he doesn't show up on film. I'll look at more film of him, but at this point I don't want him.
As for Landry... I like everything I've seen of him.
If they can coach him to stop the run I might come around on Landry. From what I've read he had some trouble vs. high talent OT's as well...but I imagine that will happen. The highlight tapes sure make him look good.
Hard to say what BG will do...but in the days after the combine everyone sounds like a sure fire All-Pro.
Landry doesn't do enough to warrant the 14th pick in the draft
Vander Esch is an interesting one. His combine numbers are almost identical to Brian Urlacher. When I watched the first half of the Oregon game, he looked every bit as good as those numbers. He took on blocks, knifed around blocks, he got deep in his drops, he showed some rush ability, he covered a back in the flat and caused a fumble. The second half of that game looked much worse.
Vander Esch = 6'4 1/4" 256, 33 7/8" arms, 9 3/4" hands, 4.65 40, 20 bench reps, 39.5" vertical, 124" broad jump, 6.88 3 cone, 4.15 short shuttle
Urlacher = 6'4" 258, 33" arms, 9 3/4" hands, 4.61 40, 27 bench reps, 34" vertical, 122" broad jump, 6.94 3 cone, 4.18 short shuttle
I don't think there's any concern that he's Kyler Fackrell 2.0, but there were some consistency issues that I have. He did look very smooth in his drills at the combine. I'll have to find more games to watch. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him. I think he'll continue to rise. He played ILB in mostly a 3-4 at Boise State in the game I watched.
I agree with Partial, Landry doesn't do anything in the run game
In fact he looks to be a liability
Landry's measurables are comparable to Matthews, and he looked better on film than I thought he would. I'm not ready to say he's CMIII though. He didn't look that good. There are things to like though. Again, with the dearth of pass rushers in this draft he'll continue to rise.
Harold Landry = 6'2 1/4" 252, 4.64 40, 24 bench reps, 36" vertical, 119" broad jump, 6.88 3 cone, 4.19 short shuttle
Clay Matthews = 6'3" 240, 4.62 40, 23 bench reps, 35 1/2" vertical, 121" broad jump, 6.90 3 cone, 4.18 short shuttle
Tremaine Edmunds is the guy I want, but after the combine I don't think there's any way he drops to #14. Not sure if it's worth trading up for him though. Davenport is a crap shoot. I'll have to dig into Josh Sweat's film after his combine performance.
Does anyone have the 10 yard split for Landry? Because outside of motor, that quick get off was Matthews most dominating skill.
03/06/18 - 2018 NFL Combine Winners: Harold Landry, DE, Boston College...After leading the FBS in sacks in 2016, Landry had a forgettable senior season due to injury. However, he helped remind scouts why he is deserving of first-round consideration. At 6-2 and 252 pounds with 33-inch arms, Landry ran a 4.64 40-yard dash with a 1.58 10-yard split, 6.88 three-cone and 36-inch vertical. Cut from the same cloth as Vic Beasley, Landry should hear his name called on night one of the draft. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
Matthews ran a 1.49 split. He looks rail thin at 250 lbs.
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What's Landry's Wonderlic score, even though the Wonderlic is kinda racist and it doesn't measure football IQ?
Leaked sources say the Claymaker scored 27. However, I'd argue that the Claymaker's most dominating trait is his high football IQ. Dude is one smart motherfucker on the football field.
I know, Deputy Nutz hates the Claymaker b/c of his penchant for freelancing. But if the Claymaker sees a bootleg coming presnap, who gives a fuck that his assignment is to cover the flat? Just attack the QB, as the Claymaker did to Sanchez in the Packers' dismantling of the Chip Kelly Eggles 2 or 3 seasons ago (Sanchez ran a bootleg and an Eggle reciever was WIDE OPEN - thank Zeus the Claymaker freelanced and sacked Sanchez).