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Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
Ya, pretty sad
FYI a lot of them were not booing. Hell Justin Harrell was probably screaming so loud you could hear him on TV by himself
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Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
Ya, pretty sad
FYI a lot of them were not booing. Hell Justin Harrell was probably screaming so loud you could hear him on TV by himself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DURxCQPS6tQ
There were at least 6 or 7 people not booing. I think Charles Manson would have gotten a warmer welcome.
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Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
I've spoken to people at the game; there were plenty not booing
A lot of people call in to say positive things about other topics, but I do agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bossman641
The video doesn't lie.
SC, get your trollin ass out of the Favre thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
Your agenda is tiresome and we know how you feel.
Admin, pm this jerk and tell him to quit trying to get a rise out of people. :roll:
how about the smurf, the popeye, and the Jerry Lewis?Quote:
Originally Posted by MOBB DEEP
The Onion is awesome.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...nion_rss_daily
Brett Favre Avenges Storied 16-Year Career With Packers
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GREEN BAY, WI—Brett Favre beat the Green Bay Packers on Sunday for the second time this season, his decisive 38-26 victory exacting some small measure of revenge for the adulation and hero worship heaped upon him by the city of Green Bay and the entire state of Wisconsin for the better part of two decades. "It feels good to finally get retribution from the team that gave me my first chance to start, believed in me despite the pitfalls of my early career, and ensured I will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer," Favre said at a postgame press conference. "And to do it in front of those fans, who unconditionally loved me through thick and thin while I struggled with a Vicodin addiction and disastrous interceptions, just made it that much sweeter. Sixteen long years of devotion, and they're finally getting what they deserve." Favre mentioned that when he does retire, he is looking forward to "really sticking it" to the wife and daughters whose loving presence has been the one constant during his playing career.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10325372/It
It's the Truth: Favre's proving Thompson wrong- Jason Whitlock
The Truth can be inconvenient, impolite and painful. The reason you read my NFL Truths column is because you realize I will address the inconvenient, impolite and painful, even when the "friendly fire" damages yours truly.
Like most red-blooded, patriotic football fans, I participated in Brett Favre Celebration Week and built my Sunday around watching Favre's return to Lambeau Field.
There was wall-to-wall television, radio, blog and newspaper coverage leading up to Vikings vs. Packers. I found very little Truth in any of it.
Sports media coverage is oftentimes too polite, afraid to deliver pain and too focused on making sure anyone of any power is happy and comfortable.
That's why an innocent kid like Steve Bartman can be portrayed as the dumbest fan in all of sports and/or the primary reason the Cubs didn't reach the 2003 World Series and a buffoon like Ted Thompson can hold his head high while earning millions of dollars ruining the Green Bay Packers.
We have nothing to lose trashing Bartman. Ted Thompson might pass us some juicy trade gossip or gas our egos with press-box chitchat.
So last week the media performed a full rectal examination of Brett Favre's emotions, and no one — that I saw — took a peek into the empty cranium that upon being given control of the Packers franchise in 2005 decided its first order business was to develop the Brett Favre Relocation Plan.
Twenty-four regular-season games into Favre's removal as Green Bay's starting quarterback, Ted Thompson looks every bit as stupid as Peter Pocklington, the man who traded Wayne Gretzky to Los Angeles.
The inconvenient, impolite, painful, highly entertaining and worthy-of-ample-discussion truth is Brett Favre wanted out of Green Bay because he believes Ted Thompson is a moron. Favre spent one year in New York just so he could get to Minnesota and prove that Ted Thompson is a moron.
Halfway through the 2009 season and after two Vikings victories over the Packers, the Favre prosecution team has rested its case and anxiously awaits Thompson's defense the second half of the season.
As jury foreman, I'm ready to vote guilty on all charges. Short of winning the Super Bowl, there's not a damn thing the Packers can do to mask Thompson's incompetence.
I'll be asking my peers in the jury room to sentence Thompson to the unemployment line and hand Favre the league's MVP Award.
That's right. Halfway through the season Favre is the clear-cut MVP. It ain't even close. Right now Favre is sportsman of the year. That's not hyperbole.
If Favre's second-half play matches what he's delivered through eight games and the Vikings win the Super Bowl, he will have elevated himself to Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan and Jim Brown status.
What Favre has done so far this season is the stuff of legends. It surpasses Ruth's "called shot" in the 1932 World Series and Joe Namath's Super Bowl guarantee. I'd put Favre's 2009 performance on par with the "Miracle on Ice" and Ali's "Rumble in the Jungle" victory.
I'm telling you, despite blanket coverage, we've totally missed the Favre story. We've failed to put this in proper context.
Favre is doing what Michael Jordan could not.
MJ hated Jerry Krause, the general manager of the Bulls. Jordan believed Krause was an idiot and was in too much of a hurry to break up Jordan, Jackson, Pippen and Rodman. Jordan "retired" and first tried to prove Krause's idiocy by managing the Wizards and then tried to prove it by playing for the Wizards.
Jordan failed. He drafted Kwame Brown No. 1 overall and put together two forgettable seasons in a Wizards uniform.
The 40-year-old Favre, however, is having the greatest season of his 19-year career. His 106 QB rating is seven points higher than his previous best. He's on pace to throw just six interceptions, which would be seven fewer than he's thrown in any season as a starter.
It's deeper than the numbers. It's the 32-yard, back-of-the-end-zone rope that beat the 49ers with two seconds to play. It's the 58-yard heave to Sidney Rice that set up the game-winning field goal to beat the Ravens. It's the seven TDs and zero interceptions in two games against the Packers.
And it's the passion for the game. Favre is the Magic Johnson of football. Like Magic, Favre's personality and emotion overwhelm his teammates. You had to bust your ass and get out on the break because you knew Magic passed out candy at the offensive end like every night was Halloween.
Guys play hard for Brett Favre. There's something about good-old boys from the South. They're natural leaders. Everybody loves them. Favre and Steve McNair were cut from the same cloth. They could connect with and inspire an opposite-race teammate just as effectively as a teammate who shared a similar background as theirs.
Favre's famous "MNF" game against the Raiders after his father died is the best testament to Favre's intangible leadership qualities. Most of the media focus on Favre's great stats and overlook the fact that Favre's receivers made numerous circus catches that night. Favre's teammates cared about him so much that they picked him up on a night when he needed a lift.
All of this reflects poorly on Ted Thompson. Favre contended throughout his final seasons in Green Bay that he could still perform at an MVP level. He wanted better support. He wondered why Thompson's first significant act as GM was picking Aaron Rodgers in the first round of the 2005 draft.
Think about that. Five years ago Thompson used a critical draft pick on a player to replace the QB capable of a 106-passer rating in 2009. The Packers had their quarterback of the future — Brett Favre.
In 2006 and 2007, the Packers led the NFL in salary-cap availability. Thompson made one significant free-agent acquisition — cornerback Charles Woodson.
The rift between Favre and Thompson became irreparable when Thompson refused to go after Randy Moss, who shares the same agent (Bus Cook) as Favre. We can assume that Favre had inside knowledge that Moss would strongly consider signing with the Packers.
Thompson is dedicated to building the Packers through the draft. Moss joined Tom Brady in New England. The Patriots won 18 straight games and Brady set nearly every single-season passing record with Moss at his side.
Brady and Peyton Manning are allegedly better QBs than Favre, who has a rep for throwing huge INTs.
Favre would contend he's more prone to give in to his gambling nature when he feels he has to compensate for a talent deficiency. In his mind, give him Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson or Reggie White and his TD-INT ratio will be 3 to 1 and he'll be in contention for the MVP.
The NFL is a win-now league. When you have a chance to pair Favre with Randy Moss, you take that opportunity, win a Super Bowl or two and deal with the consequences later. Thompson chose to avoid the consequences and plan for the future.
He tired of the Favre offseason drama, tired of catering to Favre's ego. What an idiot. Favre was right. A year after Favre led the Pack to 13-3 and the NFC Championship Game, Green Bay finished 6-10 and out of the playoffs. This year it appears the supporting cast Thompson gave Rodgers is inadequate. The offensive line can't protect Rodgers and the defense looks weak against top competition.
Meanwhile, Favre has Adrian Peterson in the backfield and Jared Allen rushing the opposing quarterback. Favre has the most talented offensive and defensive players in the league. And he's not simply riding their coattails. They're all pushing each other. Favre is doing the most.
By forcing his way out of Green Bay, retiring from the Jets after one season and staging a Flava Favre, will-he-or-won't-he drama this offseason, Favre placed an unprecedented amount of pressure on himself.
When the season started, the only people in the Favre bunker were Brett, Deanna, Bus Cook, Brad Childress, Zygi Wilf and John Madden.
The media felt burned by Favre. Fans were sick of the nonstop coverage. Fran Tarkenton made a return to relevancy blasting Favre in radio and TV interviews. Adam Schefter floated a theory/story there was tension in the Vikings locker room over Favre's arrival.
Favre has made assclowns of everybody, particularly Ted Thompson.
Ali took on the government and love-it-or-leave-it America and established a reputation as "The Greatest." Other than that, I can't think of another athlete who has exceeded what Favre has accomplished this season (without overcoming a major medical issue).
Drew Brees is putting up nice stats. Peyton Manning and the Colts are undefeated.
Brees and Manning can't touch Brett Favre. Even if the Saints and the Colts run the table, Favre is the MVP unless he falls apart down the stretch.
You can e-mail Jason at BallState0@aol.com or find him on Facebook at facebook.com/jasonwhitlock.
Yeah, and he's a poopy doody pants too!
Interesting Truth article. Naturally, there are people that feel that way. We all know TT builds for the future instead of winning now, and yeah, Brett ellivates the play of the players around in. There is no more truth in that then last season. 13-3 the year before, virtually the exact same roster minus brett, and they go 6-10. Rodgers had similar stats to favre, not similar victory counts. thats not AR's fault, but what can I say other then: When Favre is your QB, the whole team plays better for him.
Is TT an idiot? Don't know, but many think he is. Chance to pair Favre with Moss, and still have DD as the #2 and possibly a young jennings as #3? Seems like a super bowl offense to me.
Still, it's done and over with. favre is playing great. Lets see if he holds it together in the second half.
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Originally Posted by packerbacker1234
How did it work out for the Pats?
They got to the super bowl, didn't they? Seemed to work pretty well there. Yes, they lost the super bowl, but they did get there. And with Tom Brady out a year, they made some noise last year with that offense going 11-5. This year they look primed for another run with Brady back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
So you tell me, how did it work out? So far pretty damn well.
I don't understand how Packer fans would enjoy watching Favre and his queenies beat the Packers. Is your hatred of TT such that you'd rather have the team lose so TT would get canned? I don't give a rat's ass about TT but I DO care about the guys on the green and gold sideline and I want them to win no matter WHO the GM is. It sucked seeing BF win that game cuz it effects the prospects of the PACKERS. But it appears Favre fans are more concerned about Favre and his feelings plus rubbing it into TT's face at the expense of Rodgers and his teammates. THIS is what is sad, frankly. :(
Higher draft pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugger
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Originally Posted by Pugger
Why is it sad that we hate Ted Thompson? We hate a guy that's done nothing for us. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR US! We, and I'm speaking as a Favre fan and Packers fan, want him the fuck outta town and we cannot wait for this day to happen. Then we will all be, most likely at peace as Packer fans.
I hadn't seen one writer take this stance until this article. Interesting.
Most extreme stance I've seen taken
If he continues playing as he is, it wont be the last.
I saw a guy pick him over Manning and Brees today as the MVP on 1st n 10. Lomas Brown I think is his name.
Things will continue to heat up as long as he keeps on a truckin at the pace hes going. If that helps gets TT out of our organization faster, than I'm all for it.
Was our offense the reason we lost to the Giants?Quote:
Originally Posted by packerbacker1234
There is no way to tell how Moss woulda played here. MM isn't Bellicheck. What if Favre retired with Moss on our team. Does Moss behave. His track record prior to Pats doesn't suggest that.
Hindsight is 20/20.
BTW, Moss didn't want to come here with the rules we wanted. FACT.
How did it work out? No better or worse than the pats had previously done. Well, actually worse. Prior to Moss they were winning SBs. Now, with Moss...they lose them. Therefore Moss is the reason they lost.
See, it really is that easy to defeat your argument.:wink:
P.S. Pats didn't make the playoffs last year. Making noise....is, well, making noise. Are you gonna be happy if we make noise this year.
What did Sherman do for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by g4orce
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
I agree 100% with all the other stuff you said, even though I was in favor of getting him. But if you were moss and were told ud be #2 behind DD, after all he's done in this league, I dont think I'd follow those rules either haha.
IMO the biggest downfall of TT is the win loss record. Are we gonna have to go thru 10 years of mediocrity for a 2-3 year window.....that sucks and is not worth it for me, some don't mind. As long as they feel that TT is heading in the right direction they are willing to be middle of the pack for as long as it takes. The window never lasts for more than a few years no matter which way you build. If you go deep in the playoffs the free agents on your team are that much more sought after, and then you start having hold-outs cause they think since they helped get the team so far they are worth that much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by packerbacker1234
2-3 year window, weather you build to win now or to win 5-7 years down the road.
Well, he did find us our quarterback of the future - and didn't make us wait a decade or two. And paired a pretty good WR with him, and locked both up for the next half decade plus. He fixed the problems with our defensive backfield he inherited as well. Absolutely nothing? Selective memory, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by g4orce
You want TT out of town so badly that you want the Pack to keep on losing to force him out? Personally, I could give a rats ass who is running the show. Just as long as we're winning. We've beaten 4 teams in 2009, lost to 2, are in second place in the NFC North, and are just one game out of a wild card spot. Things could be far worse. As long as we are in the playoff conversation I see no reason for a change.
What had he done? He had caused problems with the law. Tested positive for drugs. Been a problem in the vikes locker room, and had loafed and sucked in Oakland.Quote:
Originally Posted by g4orce
Not saying i wouldn't take him, but he was a risk. And, if he is self aware of who is was back then, well, that is even more reason to be wary of getting him.
When you start locking up 25 year old stars like Rodgers and Jennings to 7 year contracts by building from within, you extend that window. Instead of 2-3 years it becomes 4-6 years or longer. Look at the Colts. Though they only won 1 Super Bowl, they have been contenders forever now. And the biggest reason for a long time was that the Colts drafted Manning and Harrison, then locked them both up for a very long time (at an increidble cost I might add, probably why they didn't win more than 1 SB) The window has been open for them for a decade. That can't happen if you focus on the right now, specifically. And if you focus on the right now and it doesn't work out, you leave yourself in a bigger hole to climb out of than if you continually develop and promote from within and it doesn't work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gex
I'm fine with a 5-7 year plan as long as I see progress from one season to the next. There was progress each of TT's first 3 seasons before Favre left, ending in an overtime loss at Lambeau on the final weekend of January. There was a significant drop in wins during a transition year - and everyone bitches about it, as if it were something that only happens to the Packers ( :?: ). Now we're in year 2 of Favre's successor at QB and we're seeing progress in the W-L column again. And some are ready to pull the rug out from under him while the team is getting better? Why?
So what was so wrong with Sherman then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunakor
Looks like wifey and I are heading to Vikes at Cards
Any of you cats ever been there and know where the happenings are? I will be there friday through monday morn....? I havent been west of Minnesota
Ty, your crazy tail used to live there right?
He screwed up the salary cap, had questionable drafts (BJ Sanders anyone?) and gave big money to scrubs like Cletius Hunt and Joe Johnson. When TT finally took over he didn't have any money to keep Wahle and our O line is still struggling because of it. TT has still not addressed the line and he should be taken to task about that. But if Sherman was so great why is he not coaching somewhere in the NFL? Sherman treated Favre like royalty and created a monster. Favre was allowed to skip offseason workouts, let #4 have a say in personnel moves, gave him his own dressing room and shower and I don't recall one time that Sherman ever confronted #4 after yet another boneheaded INT. TT didn't let #4 have a say in players and MM got after him for stupid plays. No wonder Favre wanted out of Green Bay.Quote:
Originally Posted by gex
But I will say again, I don't care about TT. I DO care about the players wearing green and gold and I want them to win. Favre is finally playing for the queens - a team he's had his eye on for a while. Favre was great when he was in GB but he isn't a Packer now so I don't want him to succeed because it affects the Packers. If your hatred of TT is such that you hope the Packers lose so TT gets canned I hope to God you are disappointed. I want the Pack to win no matter WHO the GM is.
I'm going to Pack at Cards......Ty does still live there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOBB DEEP
Nice post, I had forgotten that the crowd at the Metrodome had cheered for his accomplishment that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrnBay007
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Originally Posted by Partial
You do realize that Packer fans invaded the Metrodome for that game, and possibly more than typical? The GBPG and Minneapolis papers had coverage the next day of the number of Packer fans there. So I think its an open book on how many Viking fans were actually cheering their team getting scored on.Quote:
Originally Posted by gex
Polite applause for a competitor reaching a huge milestone? Possible.
But then not exactly the same as showing up in the opposite jersey, is it?
They call a spade a spade in Wisconsin - and a traitor a traitor.
You took the keystrokes right outta my fingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
I was at the Packers Bears game at Lambeau following Payton's death. We all observed a moment of silence for a great competitor who played his entire career loyally for the team that drafted him. Payton never played the prima donna game of pondering retirement each and every year, and to my knowledge didn't complain when the RB of the future was drafted, didn't say that he wouldn't help them in their progression, didn't complain that problematic WR weren't signed, and didn't have a family and agent criticizing the GM. He never wore another jersey or said he wanted to beat his own team out of vengeance. He earned and deserved the respectful moment of silence. Favre deserved the continuous booing he got. I only wish Packer fans would do that to every Viking QB now and in the future. Here's hoping the Packers have another chance to beat the Vikings in the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
An interesting but general question with holes.
I think you could make the case based on win loss record and playoff appearances that Sherman did a lot for this franchise when he was the coach and GM.
Who knows how he would have handled the year when Wahle, Rivera became unrestricted and TTT let Sharper go after offering him a greatly reduced salary. He didn't have that shot and then had to live with the decisions that were made.
As a GM, it's always been my view that he was very sub par. As a coach, I think he was more effective at the start than the end.
But in the end it comes down to wins and losses and titles.
His W/L record was not that bad, but he brought us no titles.
yeah. you are a packer fan. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MOBB DEEP
Ty lives in AZ. Watch your back, fool.
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Originally Posted by Bretsky
I guess no titles were part of it. But the whispers about his management style probably had a lot to do with it also. Once he got himself fired as a GM, it was only a matter of time.
Who knows. If he never got the GM job in the first place, he might still be here.
What city and how can I hook up with you? Might be hitting that Pack @ AZ game. Gonna need dank too and not that dry compressed shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns