Who should the Packers take with the 32nd pick in the 2011 NFL draft? The players listed in the poll are the BPA after the Packer Rat mock draft was completed.
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Who should the Packers take with the 32nd pick in the 2011 NFL draft? The players listed in the poll are the BPA after the Packer Rat mock draft was completed.
If I missed someone, sorry. Write in votes will be considered. I will give this poll a couple of days. Its over when a clear cut winner emerges or I decide it's done. We do have a ROUND 2 to get to!
an interesting pick for the rats.....the more you read up the more you will see there is undoubtedly a BPA that most have rated in a different tier than the rest.
As much as I like Brooks Reed, he's rated about the 3rd to 4th best OLB in the draft
Sheard could help this team as well but I think he's similar in quality to Reed
Ijalana would be about the 6th or 7th OL coming off the board
Baldwin could be elite some day IMO but he's WR #3 by most analysis I've read; I'm not even sure Hankerson gets drafted in round two and I don't know enough about Titus Young.
Watkins seems like a great fit but he's 26 or 27 already; that downgrades him right there IMO
Or you can kiss your needs off til round two, and draft the #1 rated RB in the 2011 draft and what most still feel like is an elite talent.
To me this is almost 1A and 1B. I gotta vote for Ingram. But if Ingram was gone, I'd be all about Brooks Reed
maybe we should post a scouting report on each one ? Don't have the ambition right now but maybe later
Not a bad idea Bretsky, but I'm with you, ambition tank is just about on "E" today.
Ingram's the BPA, so that's where my vote went. However, in this spot I could certainly see someone calling Ted with a nice trade offer. If the option to trade down on the poll that's where I'd vote. If Ingram really were there at 32 someone would pay dearly for that pick.
I can take some of the blame for Ingram being on this list by not taking him with the Patriots' second pick. In actuality, I think a team wanting Ingram would trade up for him as the first round wound down to picks 20-32.
So, I voted for Ingram in the rare instance that he would actually be there at #32. If he's not there, I really do like Brooks Reed or a trade down. I think our offense will be okay for years to come, but we should continue to build a dominant defense by selecting BDPA.
I don't want Ingram, so I'm just going to hold on to my vote and vote for the other leading candidate.
I just can't believe the Packers would take Ingram. Starks and Grant already on board. No chance.
I still think that Liuget is really unsuited to playing 5-tech in our defense (though he'd be a great 3-tech for a 4-3 team, but he just isn't long). If you wanted the top 5-tech available, I'd say Iowa's Ballard but he didn't make it on the poll.
Keep in mind, however, that our average number of defensive linemen on the field last year was about 2.25, and we have Raji and Neal for the 2, and so we just need .25 of a player plus rotation.
Well, if they took Ingram it would mean they would cut Grant before the season. That's not something I'd like to see.
Remember TT drafted Justin Harrell when most of us thought our DL was very strong; but IMO he anticipated Williams might leave. IMO about the only positions that are nearly out are QB and TE in round one. If TT feels Ingram is special that pick is very possible IMO
Ryan Grant turns 29 next season. Starks is very unproven, although he has shown promise. I envision Starks as being more of a 3rd down specialist. He's a bit of a RB/WR hybrid. Ingram is a complete RB. He can run anywhere, any style and he catches the ball. I'd compare him to DeAngelo Williams. So Grant phases out as he enters his 30's and Ingram phases in as he approaches 25. I'm fine with that.
No way Ingram slips this far in the real draft, Watkins gets my vote, we can get 4-6 years out of him and protecting ARod is critical. He'll be more consistent than Colledge ever was.
The top-ranked guard according to NFLDraftScout.com, Baylor's Danny Watkins, played left tackle in the Bears' spread offense. His dominant performance at the Senior Bowl and showing in private workouts make him a first-round target with potential to play any position on the line.
Yeah, there is no way that he falls to us in the real draft, but he did in this mock one. There's absolutely no way I pass on Ingram. No way. In fact, if he's still on the board, TT will be crying like a blubbering child as he makes the call, not having gotten a steal like this since Aaron Rodgers.
I wish Brooks Reed wasn't on the poll as well. Every year we do this, it seems the one player most want fails to get picked and inexplicably falls to the Packers selection. No way Brooks lasts until 32. Keep smoking on your pipe dreams fellow rats.
Most mock drafts I see don't have Reed getting picked earlier than GB and some have him in round 2
Most I've seen have Brooks being picked before Ayers (UCLA OLB). His combine and pro day numbers alone will elevate him in to the first round. Call it the "Clay Matthews" effect. If I'm wrong I'll eat crow, but I just don't see it.
So assuming we don't have a shot at Reed or Ingram, who would everybody pick in that case?
For me, it's between Ijalana and Sheard.
Major reach for Brooks Reed. Someone remember and told-ya-so me if I'm wrong, but I bet Brooks Reed can be had with pick #64.
I wouldn't even count those two out. If TT thinks Rudolph is the BPA you bet he'll be taken. Elite TE's are a cheap way to keep your offense in the top tier. NE fans know better than anyone what a pair of young TE's can do for your offense. With Flynn in jeopardy of leaving to free agency, a capable backup QB is a pretty big concern. This position is at a premium now with the concussion rules. I would be more surprised to see the pick be a reach like Brooks Reed than a pick with value, even at QB, like Christian Ponder--that's just how Ted rolls.
I understand the votes for Mark Ingram, he's a great value here. Where are all the votes for Ben Ijalana??? Safest pick on the board IMO. Could play nearly anywhere on the line and should give a major boost to this unit which will likely lose two or three solid players.
I voted for Baldwin. The offense underperformed last year during the regular season last year and now there is a chance they lose a productive receiver in James Jones. TT has chosen a lot of players that are vaguely in the Baldwin mold but none of them are quite right. Baldwin is what Jordy was supposed to be IMO. Give McCarthy another big weapon and the offensive droughts from last year are a thing of the past IMO. It takes a special player to cover a guy like Baldwin... or Finley... or Jennings. Baldwin is a decent value at #32 but IMO he represents such a mismatch schematically that when paired with Finely, the offense can do whatever it wants.
Agreed that if that's the way the board fell, it could go that way.
I voted Ingram, but I don't see it happening if this is the way the board fell. If the board looked like this, I could see TT calling Carolina and asking them if they want Ingram, and getting them to swap picks and pick up an extra late rounder.
At that point...the next BPA is Liuget. You can never have enough big men. He develops for a year while you play Green.
Yeah, great 3-tech prospect. I'd take him over Fairley if I was a 4-3 team. But in the 3-4? We don't need another nose, and I really doubt that he has the length to play the 5-technique position effectively. You have to like Neal a lot more than Liuget in this scheme, and we got Neal in the second.
I don't think the 5-tech hole is really even that big a need, we really only need depth and developmental guys (I really like Oregon's Brandon Bair on day 3), assuming we can finally get some pass rush from the other OLB. We play 2.25 DL/play, and if Raji and Neal can be counted on then you don't want to spend your first on .25 of a player (or a guy who relegates last year's promising #2 to .25 of a player). Dom wants extra defensive backs whenever he can get away with it, and it's always going to come at the expense of your big horses.
6'5" 230 lb WR
4.5 seconds in the 40 yard dash
Plays at about the same speed as James Jones but is significantly bigger. Actually a lot of his game reminds me of Jones. Both have big natural soft hands that you look for in a glue-handed receiver, both have a surprising amount of wiggle when asked to make guys miss and fight for yards after the catch. Jones does a little better job of exploding out of his cuts to create separation IMO but Baldwin has rare leaping ability (41" vertical) and shows the ability to highpoint the ball and take it away from defenders--a skill that can make you a star in the NFL. Baldwin is also a punishing blocker for a WR. My biggest concern about him is that he seems to jump for balls that don't need to be jumped for which results in taking a few in the stomach, particularly over the middle, with no chance of creating after the catch. This is probably a habit that came from the terrible QB play he's had to endure with which he's routinely found himself left out to dry over the middle. With an NFL QB that can hit him in stride he'll have a chance to grow as a route runner and drop his bad habits.
PFT's mock is interesting.
It has the Pack taking Justin Houston at #32, passing on Ingram - so no first round RB's.
They also have quarterbacks going #1, 4, 10, and 15 (Panthers, Bengals, Skins and Dolphins). I was going to call them morons for that, but it's possibly accurate and GM's do tend to panic when they haven't got a signal caller. A couple of extra QB's being taken in the first round will push other quality players down.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ft-take-three/
For those of you who voted for Ingram, he's currently scheduled to get an exhaustive evaluation on his knee to determine whether or not there is structural damage or degenerative arthritis. Assuming that Ingram's knee is not completely healthy, how much of a mess would it have to be before you'd change your vote? Note that the results from this evaluation will be available to all NFL teams before the draft, so you can assume that you have access to it and respond conditionally.
For Ingram supporters, supposing that Ingram's knee is a total mess... would you advocate taking a different RB instead, say LeShoure or Williams?
Lurker, of course, if his knee is shot and his career guaranteed to be short, sure, we'd choose someone else. Just going off the tape though, the guy is a damn good overall RB and a great redzone back. He'd be welcomed here with open arms. Grant is 18 mos away from 30 years old. Very few RB's with STarks build can handle the load in the NFL. Ingram would be a great piece for us.
Not at all.
The Ingram choice was based on BPA alone - not need/desire for an RB at all. Actually, on the list of team needs, I'd rank RB as the third lowest - behind ILB and TE, so no chance we we reach a little for one of the other RB's.
If Liuget is as bad a fit as some are saying, I could see him being crossed off the board just because he'd be useless to us I don't know who would be next in line. Those two were the players who seemed to have dropped below their value.
Maybe Watkins is next? *shrug*
I started thinking about backs who have had great red zone production over the years. Immediately I thought about Ladanian Tomlinson (similar size and no nonsense running style). But LT is faster, so that's not a perfect comparison. Then I thought of Priest Holmes. Exact same size. Exact same running style. I don't know if Ingram just had a bad day at the track, but I think Priest Holmes is a great comparison back for Mark Ingram.
To be honest, I think Mikel LeShoure would be a more effective back on this team than Mark Ingram. More of a one-cut guy.
I'll change my pick now to one of the OTs available....I think there will be a good RB available in the 2nd or the 3rd. Is Mikel the guy from VT?
Watching the combine, the guy I saw with the surest, quickest cuts was Dion Lewis from Pittsburgh. They say he's 6th or 7th round, but he ran 4.41 with a 1.51 10 yd split at his pro day. He may be 5' 7", but he weighs 194 lbs. He isn't small--he's short and talented. I'll be shocked if he is still there after the fourth round is over.