Man, I just think the Packers got worse at RB AND pissed off one of the greats. This dude is not only a great player but a great leader. I'm sure it will all work out but that doesn't sound great.
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Man, I just think the Packers got worse at RB AND pissed off one of the greats. This dude is not only a great player but a great leader. I'm sure it will all work out but that doesn't sound great.
I voted Jones. I know it’s a sentimental choice and he’s been hurt a lot, but what a great back and even better human. I was hoping they’d bring him back for one more year so he could retire a Packer - cuz I think it might be his last year.
Plus I don’t know Jacobs from Adam. Maybe he’ll be really good someone on the internet compared him to Eddie Lacey in his prime.
I assume the choice is between Aaron Jones and Josh Jacobs?
I personally prefer a BJ over a AJ any day.
This poll is almost like picking between AntiPolarBear/Tank or CallM/
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I went with Josh. Almost 4 years younger.
Without a solid backup, Jones isn't sufficient. Even when healthy, they limit his touches.
For 2024, Jones. For the three years after that, Jacobs.
Josh Jones the former safety drafted by GB, or Josh Jones the OL?
Aaron Jones is better than either of those two.
We'll find out if Aaron Jones is better than Josh Jacobs soon enough.
Man you guys are heartless. Give me AJO all day. Better player, better human.
FIRST OFF, GUTEBAG completely JORDYNELON'D Aaron Jones this year. He wanted him to take a salary cut slightly over 50% of last year, "after" Aaron Jones helped out GB last year by taking a pay cut.
So let's not criticize anybody for holdouts; this was kinda cold.
Tom Pelissori reported this recently after chatting with Jones Agent. Noted it was a real possibility that GB was going to try to make Jones take a significant paycut. Also, Jones, we amicable about taking a restructure; had Gutebag offered a cutback to about 8MIL instead of the 6 MIL range he'd be a Packer.
So instead, we fabricate a 4 year 48 Million dollar contract for Josh Jacobs, who might be a better player and is younger in age but not touches.
But Year 2 of that deal, is for 14.8 Million. Play that back. This is basically a one year deal and then GB goes back to Josh Jacobs year after year to restructure. If that was the direction, we already had a stud RB willing to do that.
And Jones, after we waive him, we only get 5MIL of cap relief. GUTEBAG has veins of ICE.
After the end of season interview, UTEBAG was stupid enough to declare Aaron Jones was the heart and sole of the GB Packers and he would definitely be back with the Packers next season
HE FLIPPED; went cold, and sign a fairly comprable RB in talent, to basically a one year deal. .
Restructure Jones to a 2 year Deal, give him his 8 MIL this year, draft a RB in rounds 1-3, and call it day.
AND, use those Josh Jacobs funds for another safety or LB.
I disagree he was the best back in the NFL. He may have had the most yards or best stats, but that doesn't mean he was the most talented and when you really need to make a play he can do it better than others.
AJO is a special player and the heart and soul of the team last year. I would guess the offense regresses significantly next year unfortunately. We shall see!
Lighten up on the heartless part :)
I think that in the longterm interest of the team, Jacobs is the smarter choice. As for which of the two I'd rather see playing in Green Bay next year, I'm leaning toward Jones.
A lot of people are parroting the line that "they're basically the same back, Jacobs is just a younger version." They're not the same back. I've watched a lot of Jacobs tape the last 24 hours, and it's alarming how many times I see him tackled from behind in the open field or angled out of bounds. I'm not used to seeing that when watching Jones; Jacobs is a good back with a lot of top-end tools, but he does not have that second gear that Jones has. He's got an excellent burst through the hole (probably similar to Jones), but once he's in the secondary he just doesn't have that breakaway speed that made Jones so explosive. So many 15-yard or 20-yard runs that look good until you realize Jones would have busted them open for 30 or 40.
I think a lot of Packer fans have become so spoiled by Jones that we don't fully appreciate how special he was. Statistically better than Ahman Green in almost every significant category, but he made it look so easy I think a lot of us came to take it for granted.
But given a choice between making a move a year too early or a year too late, this was the better option. Gute has decided that our Lombardi window starts in 24, rather than 25, and is not willing to risk wasting a year by relying on Jones to stay healthy a full season at age 30. Porbably the smart move, one that will pay even bigger dividends in 25 and 26, but right now it hurts.
But is it a year too late with Jacobs?
Heart says Jones and head says Jacobs. Voted Jacobs and drank a few beers to wash the foul taste out.
Jones runs like he is 230 and indestructible. He takes vicious hits and I am surprised that he had stayed productive to the age of 30. The Packers paid him well. The tires are worn thin, and he will still have some great stretches for the Vikings, but he isn't going to be an impact runner for an entire season. If he plays 17 games next year I will be really surprised.
This is probably true. My thought process was that AJO is _that dude_ come playoff time, where as I'm not sure Josh Jones can get it done in the playoffs and is more than just a guy. He is a nice runner but AJO is a dynamic runner. I would be very comfortable letting AJO take it easy until playoff time. Give him the Kawhi treatment.
But you don't pay two running backs a combine 24 million dollars, Jones needs to be in tandem with another back, and that back also needs to eat and be effective.
I mean, Josh Jones is a safety so we have a bigger need, but he is a shitty safety so there is that.
Seriously, at least get the players right.
That said, I would have just stuck with AJ and drafted guys. But this heartless talk is just silly. Its funny how someone like you always points out the NFL is a business when players make business decisions, but when a GM realizes that 26 years old compared to 29 (30 in 2024 season) is night and day then he is a heartless bastard. Gutes did what is right for the Packers. That is his job. If Love turns down $40 million per annum is he being a heartless bastard or is he doing what is smart for Love?
No, on paper he probably nailed it. But in terms of fans/locker room he probably got it wrong. I'll tell you what. If you want to place a friendly wager of $1 or $100 I will bet you Jacobs has a much better year than AJ next year...by much better I mean 20% more rushing yards and equal receiving yards. Jacobs has been much better than AJ over the past 3 seasons, all while playing on a dysfunctional team. Smart money says he is again.
Jones benefitted from a coach that stresses and practices second level blocking. They have missed similar games the last 4 years, but Jacobs workload was far greater. I love Jones, but Jacobs is a superior back at this point....but probably not 50% more in salary superior.
Aaron Jones has great vision and plays like a beast, BUT he is coming to that age where rb's just become bad, or always injured or both. I also think, for a guy who only played a third of the offensive snaps last year, the pay cut ask was appropriate.
Josh Jacobs is a beast. McDaniels totally f'd up that Raiders team and Jacobs was much better when Pierce took over as HC. Josh Jacobs is like a combination of Thurman Thomas and Emmitt Smith. The guy has vision, great lateral agility and quickness and is excellent at one cut runs and a most excellent stiff arm. The only thing he does not have is elite speed. Color me EXCITED AS HELL that he is a Packer!!
Check out this read: https://www.nfl.com/news/back-2-campus/a-star-is-born
Jones was a higher risk option. I think they can kick the tires in some young unproven backups during training camp now. With Jones they would have probably needed to bring in a veteran since even best case, they would give significant snaps to the #2 back with Jones.
Ok, you believe that, apparently Gute, who might have more information than us doesn't, as far as everyone else? Jacobs isn't quite as dynamic, but his skillset is really impressive. Also, addressing your 'stats don't tell the whole story', that's true; Jacobs is a much better receiver than his stats show.
I think he's still got something left. This was last November 26.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XliQPFYFFFk
Interesting comparison in the link below. Jones has better metrics but is almost 4 years older than Jacobs and has missed games. I also think the Packers offense & O-line is much better than the Raiders and Jacobs will benefit from it.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/...to-aaron-jones
:lol: Such a mamón!
Let’s see what this guy thinks…
https://youtu.be/EOKVJWsqHPs?si=4TmAe206Hmo8CR1g
I think if you're going to give your RB1 18 touches a game, Jones will be better. If you're looking to get them 22+, Josh Jacobs is more likely to survive the season. Doesn't sound like much but it's 60 more touches over the season.
Jones is more explosive, but older and less durable. Age and injuries eventually accumulate on a player, and while the milage on Jones is low relatively speaking, he's probably not got much tread left on the tires.
If you're looking to add a player who is likely to get thru a full season and be there in 2025, you probably want Jacobs.
If they can find a Jones-ish back in the draft to pair Jacobs with they will be cooking with gas.
It's a little tricky comparing them because their styles are different. I'll be curious to see how they look in their new offenses.
Yeah but that's a bunch of Packer fans. Does anyone really think that Josh Jones, who kind of sucked balls last year, was better than Jones, who was an MVP candidate down the stretch? I do not. Jones is electric. I bet if you asked who is the better player for 10 touches per game every NFL guy says Aaron Jones.
From the business side of things, Jones was injured most of last year and soon to be on the wrong side of 30. The whole contract matter is unpleasant, but that’s the GM’s job.
If Jones was worth more than $5-6M, then why did he jump at the Vikings one-year offer? Because Rosenhaus found out no one else was willing to pay him more than the Packers offered.
And by the way, he had to know he would never see the end of contract values that keep getting thrown around. I knew that when he signed the contract.
How the fuck can anyone take you serious when you keep saying “Josh Jones”? It wouldn’t be so bad if you were trolling but you’re actually serious and it is very sad. Please let us know if you need help we are here for you. If not then get the name right fucking clown!!