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Packers D made Bryce Young look like Steve Young.

Bo Milton for Dog Fucker Award.

Apparently, J-Alex wasn’t a captain for the game. Joined the coin toss anyway, cos, he hails from Charlotte. Won the toss and opted for “defense,” not “defer.” Refs gave Pack a mulligan, much to the disgust of Adam Thielen, and allowed Pack to defer.

33 saw daylight but not endzone.

In the lay man’s terms - unless I am incorrect - Pack make dance by winning out and Sheep-fucks or Sea-fucks lose once. “If you need help getting into the dance, you ain’t deserve to be in the dance.” - Ray Rhodes.

Discuss.

Didn't see much, but I guess Packers were saved by the clock.

Kraft is da man right now.

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Originally Posted by Joemailman

Didn't see much, but I guess Packers were saved by the clock.

Kraft is da man right now.

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The Redneck TE caught a bullet between two defenders to set up Carlson’s final FG. Great concentration.

Yea, playoffs or not, by waiting til the season is over before jettisoning Barry, we assure we are not making noise if we get there.

Seriously MiLF....fire him tomorrow. A gift to the loyal fans.

I will add this though. No Watson, Reed, or Musgrave. Throwing to guys picked in the 3rd round or later. Wicks goes down and misses 2nd half. Seriously, Love is throwing to Bo fucking Melton. If this is an illusion instead of a breakout, David Copperfield would be proud.

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Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear

The Redneck TE caught a bullet between two defenders to set up Carlson’s final FG. Great concentration.

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Do they have Rednecks in South Dakota?

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Originally Posted by bobblehead

I will add this though. No Watson, Reed, or Musgrave. Throwing to guys picked in the 3rd round or later. Wicks goes down and misses 2nd half. Seriously, Love is throwing to Bo fucking Melton. If this is an illusion instead of a breakout, David Copperfield would be proud.

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How cool, calm, and collected was Jordan Love today playing with the 3rd, 5th, and 6th WR. I think we might have a good one.

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Originally Posted by Joemailman

Do they have Rednecks in South Dakota?

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Rednecks are everywhere

They’re like a disease as contagious as polio or syphilis

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How cool, calm, and collected was Jordan Love today playing with the 3rd, 5th, and 6th WR. I think we might have a good one.

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I was thinking about it in the car today before the game. He’s not as accurate or as risk adverse as #12 is

He does have a big arm that is a little wild and is willing to take some chances, and occasionally throws a head scratcher that drives you nuts

Like #4

Be nice to end up with something in the middle

O has 9 full drives and scored on 6.

D faced 10 drives. Forced 3 punts and one out on downs. Without the clock running out we would have gone to OT.

Car scored 4 TDs. Car hadn’t scored an offensive TD for 25 possessions or 9 quarters before today.

Barely needs to be fired tomorrow. MiLF has to let the organization know that mediocrity will not be tolerated.

Mediocrity?

You’re being generous.

We were out scored in the 2nd half 20-10 against a team we all knew were pretty much the worst team in the NFL. How many times during the game did you think we should be blowing this team out but instead we’re just letting them hang around.
Our defense is now the laughing stock of the NFL. How we beat the Vikings and then the Bears is beyond me.

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Mediocrity?

You’re being generous.

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It is Christmas Eve.

Not a very satisfying day, but it beats losing (unless you're one of those poor misguided fools wishing for a tank of the season).

Love is the real deal. All of the receivers did good, or you could say Love made them good. Aaron Jones still has it. Jaire was just ok at best. Stokes looked pretty decent/but not quite great.

All the bad said in here about Joe Barry is true and then some. It was abundantly clear that the D problems were a lot more on Barry than on the players. One good thing Barry did was blitz with the ILBs, at least early - I've been hoping for that. Perhaps the worst of all the bad things about Barry, though, is that when a team adjusts to what he is doing, he can't seem to counter-adjust.

I was not too thrilled with the playcalling of LaFleur also.

One guy I never heard or read mentioned among the injuries in the broadcast or in here was Rudy Ford - IMO they really missed him. 36 Johnson hits hard but had a bad game in coverage. Owens had a good game. McDuffie seemed fairly decent. Preston Smith looked better than he has all season.

Basically, they played a bad game but still managed to win - mostly because they were a bad team.

Quay is clueless in coverage.
We don’t have one safety, let alone two
We don’t have a nickle who can cover

The middle of our defense gets shredded in the pass game.

Barry has to go. We have a decent pass rush and serviceable front overall. There’s no reason to be the worst defense in football. He has some less than ideal parts, but not so bad that he shouldn’t be able to produce a top 20 defense.


The offense has a chance to be elite next year. If Jones stays, imma drop 100 on Love for MVP. Maybe not likely, but the odds are going to be so good, that I like my chances of a big pay day.

A win is a win, so yeah!

But good gracious, this defense just can't get it together. Seemed every Panther drive, the Packer defense looked great on 1st and 2nd down, then clueless on 3rd down. Granted, it wasn't every 3rd down, but geez, way too many times I saw the Panthers convert on 3rd down. 3rd and long, 3rd and short, it didn't matter.

....and the middle of the field was open for the Panthers ALL GOD DAMN DAY!

I do think that game sealed Joe Barely’s fate. You blow a two-touchdown fourth-quarter lead against one of the worst offenses in the NFL, then let the other team fly down the field with 19 seconds and no timeouts to come within a second of allowing a game-tying FG, you just can’t bring that sour taste in your mouth back next year.

And at this point, does anyone think this defense is suddenly going to shape up these last two weeks?

I don’t think so.

It’s clear quay is a pure athlete - but I don’t see him as a communicator/leader. We need a leader at LB and Safety for calls (the qb of the defense).

I’m officially done w/ Jaire. Dudes a headcase.

We need smart (or at least football smart) and athletic people out there.

so lafleur somehow is blaming the offense for the defense almost giving the game away

https://lombardiave.com/posts/matt-l...barry-panthers

time for lafleur to go

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so lafleur somehow is blaming the offense for the defense almost giving the game away

https://lombardiave.com/posts/matt-l...barry-panthers

time for lafleur to go

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Can we just say it together

MATT LAFLEUR DOES NOT WANT TO FIRE HIS FRIEND JOE BARRY

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Can we just say it together

MATT LAFLEUR DOES NOT WANT TO FIRE HIS FRIEND JOE BARRY

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He's just trying to provide some cover for Joe until the end of the year, when he has to can him, finally.

It's more dignified for Barry this way. And a credit to The Flower.

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He's just trying to provide some cover for Joe until the end of the year, when he has to can him, finally.

It's more dignified for Barry this way. And a credit to The Flower.

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Correct. To all the "we needed to let Fat Mike finish the season" people out there, MiLF is doing exactly that. I was glad we canned fat mike when we did and I wish they would can Barry right now. MiLF is a nicer person than I am.

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so lafleur somehow is blaming the offense for the defense almost giving the game away

https://lombardiave.com/posts/matt-l...barry-panthers

time for lafleur to go

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Just completely baffling. We score on 6 of 9 drives during the game not counting the drive at the end of the first half where we let the clock run out. And it was on the O to pick up the shitty D?

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Just completely baffling. We score on 6 of 9 drives during the game not counting the drive at the end of the first half where we let the clock run out. And it was on the O to pick up the shitty D?

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That’s just kicking your offensive players in the nuts to make your d cord feel better about himself

That’s bullshit, and if I’m an offensive player I’m telling my coach to fuck off

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He's just trying to provide some cover for Joe until the end of the year, when he has to can him, finally.

It's more dignified for Barry this way. And a credit to The Flower.

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That is what we thought last year

I won't knock LaFleur for not beating a dead reindeer on Christmas Eve. As long as he does what needs to be done after the season.

Boy the LBs looked lost in coverage against a bad team.
The secondary looked a half second slow as well, not sure if that's Jaire/Stokes being rusty or what. Safeties are meh at best.

The O wasn't flawless but they sure outplayed the D. MLFs comments were baffling... has to be a smokescreen for Barry, who has had a problematic defense for 3 straight weeks. Bryce Young has not looked good this year, except for the HOU game and this one. This was his best game, just like Tommy DeVito and Baker. This defense is supposed to be bend but don't break, and they give up explosive plays all the time...in other words, it's breaking. I will be apoplectic if Barry isn't hired when the season ends. I'm sure he's a nice guy and knows lots about football, but this defense hasn't improved under his tenure, and I don't think the players have developed at all. It looks like they are playing end-of-half prevent defense all the time. This is not a championship defense, not a 'good' one, not even an 'average' one. Deserved or not, Barry has to be the fall guy. At the start of the season Gute made comments about expectations for the defense, and I don't think they are being met. I know Gute can't have Barry fired (MLF controls hiring/firing of coaches) but it's clear there's going to have to be a change this offseason. It would be insanity not to.

I'm pretty confident Barely is gone after the season. It's just been too much, and when you read the players' comments, it's clear that though they're toeing the company line, they're barely doing so - so it would be suicide for The Flower to bring Joe back.

I do think we should call Joe Barely's defense a "bend over, then break" defense.

Best/worst PFF Grades:

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Top 5 offense

1. RB Aaron Jones: 81.4
2. WR Bo Melton: 79.1
3. QB Jordan Love: 77.4
4. WR Romeo Doubs: 71.5
5. WR Dontayvion Wicks: 68.3

Jones produced five runs of at least 10 yards and 100 yards after first contact while forcing six missed tackles and creating eight first downs. Melton made four catches — gaining three first downs, including one on third down — on just 14 routes run. He made a contested catch and also ran once for seven yards. Love hit two passes over 20 yards, didn’t have a turnover-worthy play and was once again very good from clean pockets. Doubs caught four of five targets, made two contested catches, forced two missed tackles and had a perfect 158.3 passer rating when targeted. He was dinged by a fumble. Wicks caught both of his targets for 29 yards and a touchdown over 13 routes.

Top 5 defense

1. DL Karl Brooks: 80.0
2. OLB Lukas Van Ness: 71.1
3. OLB Preston Smith: 70.3
4. DL Colby Wooden: 67.8
5. S Jonathan Owens: 65.4

Brooks delivered two pressures, including a quarterback hit, over 17 total snaps. Van Ness had two quarterback hits and a run stop. Smith led the team with five pressures, including two sacks and two quarterback hits. Wooden had an assisted tackle and received a solid run grade on eight snaps. Owens was tied for the team lead with three stops, and he was in on six tackles without a miss.

Bottom 5 offense

1. WR Samori Toure: 38.2
2. LT Rasheed Walker: 40.6
3. C Josh Myers: 41.3
4. RG Sean Rhyan: 44.8
5. RT Zach Tom: 46.6

Toure dropped a pass and didn’t catch either of his targets over just six passing snaps. Walker gave up a pressure, had a penalty and received the lowest run-blocking grade of the offensive line. Myers gave up a sack and struggled in the run game. Rhyan played half the snaps at right guard and received poor grades in the run game. Tom gave up two pressures and wasn’t effective in the run game.

Bottom 5 defense

1. DL Devonte Wyatt: 40.2
2. S Anthony Johnson Jr.: 40.7
3. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 43.3
4. CB Keisean Nixon: 51.4
5. OLB Rashan Gary: 55.9

Wyatt missed a tackle and committed two penalties. Johnson gave up three catches in coverage, missed three tackles and had a 15-yard penalty. McDuffie gave up three catches, including a 30-yarder, and committed a penalty. Nixon allowed four catches on four targets, including three catches for first downs and two over 20 yards. Gary had three pressures, including two hits, but he also missed a tackle and earned a poor run defense grade (likely as a result of losing the edge on a touchdown run).

Special teams

Sunday’s win was the Packers’ second-lowest graded game on special teams in 2023. Josiah Deguara missed a tackle, Lukas Van Ness committed a drive-extending penalty on special teams and Anders Carlson missed an extra point after a high snap. Daniel Whelan had a net punting average of 47.5. Keisean Nixon had a 38-yard kickoff return but averaged just 3.0 yards across two punt returns.

Quarterback

Jordan Love: 77.4 Love was under pressure on just five of 30 dropbacks, and he was excellent from clean pockets, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt with an adjusted completion percentage of almost 80.0 and a passer rating of 116.6. He hit on two of five passes over 20 yards, took just one sack and didn’t have a play deemed turnover worthy. Packers receivers dropped three of his passes.

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I said it was time to let Walker play an entire game, now I regret it. My impression was that he had a bad game, but I was waiting on the rankings to be sure (same for Wyatt who played his worst game of the year from my standpoint). I didn't focus on the game like normal. I'll probably rewatch it this week just to pay better attention. Nice to see Brooks bounce back. Love just looks like the real deal. Here comes cap hell again.

. . . . And, after five years of cap hell and hopefully big team successes, comes the petulant demands about signing his favorite homeboy/receiver, then articles about him losing touch with the young guys, then talk of a 100 million a year contract, and a botched DUI after the local cops realized who they'd pulled over der in Appleton, eh?

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. . . . And, after five years of cap hell and hopefully big team successes, comes the petulant demands about signing his favorite homeboy/receiver, then articles about him losing touch with the young guys, then talk of a 100 million a year contract, and a botched DUI after the local cops realized who they'd pulled over der in Appleton, eh?

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As long as those 5 years include at least 1 Owl, and he doesn't go play for the Vikings, most will be forgiven.

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. . . . And, after five years of cap hell and hopefully big team successes, comes the petulant demands about signing his favorite homeboy/receiver, then articles about him losing touch with the young guys, then talk of a 100 million a year contract, and a botched DUI after the local cops realized who they'd pulled over der in Appleton, eh?

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Ruh roh. I don't even remember what I wrote.

Are you all ready to resign Love? I would personally wait until next season after a few weeks. They have the franchise tag so he isn’t going anywhere. He seems like he’s going to be the guy but I’d still like to see more.

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Are you all ready to resign Love? I would personally wait until next season after a few weeks. They have the franchise tag so he isn’t going anywhere. He seems like he’s going to be the guy but I’d still like to see more.

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I'm not sure what a few games next year would tell them that they haven't already seen. They obviously felt strongly about him before or he wouldn't have been the starter and I have to believe he's met or exceeded their expectations. Because they've already extended his contract to next year, they can't do anything with it until May. I expect he'll get an extension next summer.

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Are you all ready to resign Love? I would personally wait until next season after a few weeks. They have the franchise tag so he isn’t going anywhere. He seems like he’s going to be the guy but I’d still like to see more.

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HOPEFULLY (I'm not hopeful) this will be a situation where they can sign him to a more modest deal by making a fair offer for both sides as soon as the season ends. Based on stupid QB numbers of recent deals I would think a deal with a little extra guaranteed money, but a little less per season would land around $35 million a year. More likely they drop $45 a year on him. If those are his demands, then yes, I would make him play half of next season before offering it.

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Ruh roh. I don't even remember what I wrote.

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It was the whiskey talkin', not me - Jerry Lee Lewis