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he's just junk; but he's Matt's Friend so he still has a job
Yeah, for one week, there seemed to be hope that he and the Packers D had taken it up a notch, but today it was the same old shit.
I watched the Cowboys game, and good as they are, I really don't think they have significantly if any better overall D talent than the Packers. The massive difference is in the scheme.
I want that dude gone. A twelve point lead going into the fourth quarter, and you don't adjust anything to try to stop the run that was clearly gashing them over and over. Could he at least teach Rashan Gary not to bite so often on all those inside fakes?
Please ditch this guy. Supposedly him sitting upstairs was allowing him to see what was happening and diagnose things more quickly. So what did ya see in the fourth quarter, Joe? Your defense getting gashed again and again by Robinson, yes? Yet you kept those two safeties out there instead of going one-high and making Ridder beat you.
Was it the play calling or the execution? I have to go back and watch again, but I knew going in ATL was a very good running team.
Missed tackles are still a thing, and there were questions about the run defense (at least I had some) coming into the season.
One thing I was curious about: isn't big Johnathon Ford on the PS? Why wouldn't you elevate him against a running team? (Unless he's also bad vs. the run)
Honestly, I thought the fact that GB's offense crapped out did more harm. Another FG would probably have been enough.
Barry has never led an elite defensive unit at any point in the NFL. That would tend to tell me he never will. The talent is available on this roster to achieve it. Go get someone who can.
As much as I hate Jim Schwartz, he would turn this into a top five defense overnight.
Schwartz is the DC of the Browns.
Even if he were canned by CLE, he might not get an interview with a team like GB after his shenanigans as the DET HC back in the day.
Agree Barry has never done it, which isn't a great predictor that he ever will. He's had a few years with GB now, with a good amount of talent, and has been middling at best. IIRC this is the last year of his contract, so I think they'll give him the Pettine treatment - not renew the contract as opposed to firing him. Someone will likely shake loose at end of year who is a better candidate to take over. I hope.
One thing that would need to be a consideration is not making such a big change that your players don't fit the new scheme. There are probably some Staley/Fangio acolytes that could do as well as Barry who will be available.
Gary, VanNess, Clark and Slaton fit in any scheme.
we have some stellar options at DC last year but kept the clown. Disappointing
I've had the hole in the Vegas desert for decades. I'm just waiting for the body to put in it. I mean, 8 miles from the city limits they don't dare start looking for bodies....it would create way too much work.
Is he Forest's illegitimate son? hahahahaha
I wouldn't mind bringing him in.
They won't do anything with Barry unless the defense goes completely in the dumper, which I doubt happens. They have a soft-ish schedule. This is the last year of Barry's contract, they'll let him go and move in a different direction then ( i.e., "Pettine him")
I don't think Gute is impressed with what Barry has done with the defense so far, and MLF is a bit irritated with their underperforming as well. They aren't going to can him mid-season unless it's bad though. It's not the way they operate.
Also, no to Gregg Williams. That dude's time has come and gone, and I suspect there are still a lot of people who remember him from BountyGate and would rather not see him back in the league. There will be better hiring options available at end of season
Lead...on the road....against a rookie QB and he blows the lead. FIRE THE GUY ALREADY!
My bad. Still a horrible job. D needs to step it up with the #1 WR and RB gonzo.
Joe Barry should be blacklisted.
Most people here are saying that they'll let him ride out the season, then fire him, and they are probably right. What that means, to me, is that the team knows it will not contend this year. If they thought they had a real shot at the playoffs if they had a better coordinator, you'd think they'd strongly consider canning Joe Barely now.
This offseason Gute made a point of saying expectations were high for the defense this year, given the talent and draft investments made there the last X years. In fact, he said it several times.
I think that's more than fair for him to expect. I also think it publicly put Barry on notice that his job is very much on the line.
Firing your DC every other year is a bad look and will scare away prospective coaches, so I can see having some patience. Firing him now would be a weird look also - they've allowed 45 points over 2 games. They'd have to pay out the rest of his year AND find a replacement. Good luck with that. Nobody is going to be able to come in and institute a new scheme mid-season.
Barry wasn't a good hire to begin with (imo) and I don't think many outside the building were that surprised that the team has largely underperformed.
They'll let his contract lapse, bring in someone better (presumably can't do much worse) and hope they can get more out of the talent than Barry has.
I don't root against Barry or wish him ill. I just think he was a bad hire and I haven't seen enough to convince me otherwise.
As for drafting, based on the way the team has played I think top 10 pick would be a mild disappointment. I think they'll be picking between 10 and 18. (That would imply having between 7 and 9 wins.)
And pretty much all of Packerrats never understood the pick of Barry to begin with, so it's not like we're all reacting in hindsight. Just a terrible decision by MLF from the jump. It almost seems to me like MLF made a panic pick. He got fed up with Pettine and fired him. Then, Jimmy L turned him down. I don't know if he really had a plan B at that point and just went................Oh fuck!!!
Evero was available, and several of us here were advocating for him. So he was a known possibility. MLF just made a poor choice.
I have been calling the FBI to see if they would raid Joe Barely's house, like they did the Bears' D-coordinator's house, but so far, no soap.
Matt Canada got fired mid season from the Steelers as OC.
Just sayin…
45 games of Matt Canada in PIT, 0 games of 400 yards of offense or more. Every other team in the league had at least 4 in that time.
Canada wasn't getting the job done.
Joe Barry have actually had a few good moments, but they are outnumbered by the bad. He's been given a lot of defensive talent and they are repeatedly ranked in the 20's. I think they should move in a different direction at end of season.
I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.
One game against a real D does NOT excuse nearly 25 games of blowing chunks.
Part of me wonders if he schemed better and played more aggressively because of all the young players in the lineup due to injuries. If so, he is an idiot for not playing his best schematic football at all times.
My prediction before the game in one of these threads was that Love would be more good than Barry's D was bad. That pretty much came true, although the D was at least a little better than the worst it has been. I'm gonna double down and predict something similar against the Chiefs, although Mahomes' mobility will be a helluva lot harder to deal with than piece of crap Goff.
I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.
But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.
It's weird that he only seems to scheme aggressively when pushed to do so by MLF or by circumstance, yet it generally seems to work.
Is it NOT being conservative, though, when he finally, finally lines up lots of big bodies instead of playing the dime when it's third and two? I'm confused about that bit of it.
Barry is slow to adjust, but he will adjust. I'll give him that. They played surprisingly well vs. DET and looked like an inspired defense. I wonder how much of that was Rashan Gary playing out of his mind. He was very emotional for this game and is widely viewed in the locker room as being an emotional leader, so maybe that gave them a little extra fire today. The Week 4 whipping probably had something to do with it too, along with DET being national writer darlings.
There are whispers that the Fangio defense is being figured out by teams, and that many teams who have adopted it aren't successful because you really need specific playmakers to make it go. I suppose that's why Staley looked great with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey.
I'm not convinced the way Barry calls the defense is smart given the Lions and Bears are run-heavy offenses. Why would you trot out 2 DL and leave the C uncovered to run up and block your ILB? That's just asking to get run off the field. I understand the idea is to make the other team walk down the field by playing soft zone and keeping things in front of you, but GB doesn't tackle well and can barely hand off covering routes that cross from one player's zone to another.
I am starting to have serious concerns Barry will be brought back. He seems tied to MLF's hip and the fact that they have held a lot of team's garbage offenses to 20 points or less is going to be a selling point. They still allow a lot of rushing yards and are a middle of the road defense statistically, and that's after playing bad-to-middling teams like CHI, DEN, LV, and ATL.