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Packers, Walker moving toward complete separation

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We hear the Packers are beginning to strongly consider dealing disgruntled WR Javon Walker. General manager Ted Thompson has steadfastly refused claims that Walker would be traded, not because he’s stubborn but citing concern that he would set a precedent that quality players could sit out and be rewarded. Thompson’s fear is that giving in to Walker may increase the chance others could hold the team hostage in a similar vein. But with Walker’s home having been placed on the market and his dislike for the Packers’ organization, including QB Brett Favre, becoming more public by the week, Thompson’s grip on his star receiver isn’t what it once was. There does seem to be a market for the damaged receiver — he tore the anterior cruciate ligament and meniscus in his left knee in Week One last season — based on the lack of veteran talent available and a poor WR crop in the draft. Walker, through his stepfather, Charles Goldsmith, told our sources that no amount of money or resolve will bring Walker back to the Packers. Goldsmith said Walker’s position, outlined to Thompson on Jan. 20, wouldn’t change and that Walker was willing to sit out the season. He’s due $1.15 million in salary and is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent next March. However, if he sits out the entire season, he would not be credited with an accrued season of experience, which would kill his shot at unrestricted free agency next spring. If he reported in time to play the final six games of ’06, as he’s indicated he would do if he’s not dealt, Walker would earn an accrued season, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent.

It pisses me off that he only has to report for 6 games to get credit for having played the season. Hell, at least make him play more than 1/2 the games.

Well, they could play hardball and suspend him and not let him get his 6 games. However, I'd rather keep him, let him become a free agent, and franchise him. Then, they can trade him for atleast a second ala Seattle trying to do with Sean Alexander and Indy with Edge.

A 2nd is certainly better than what they'd get now. If all they offer is a 4, then TT should make an example. If someone offers a 1, then I would consider dealing him.

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Originally Posted by Partial

Well, they could play hardball and suspend him and not let him get his 6 games. However, I'd rather keep him, let him become a free agent, and franchise him. Then, they can trade him for atleast a second ala Seattle trying to do with Sean Alexander and Indy with Edge.

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The new collective bargaining agreement keeps teams from doing what Philly did last year. I'm not sure, but I think a team can only suspend a player for 4 games or something like that.

Right, I understand that, I was referring if he only comes to play for the 6 games.

If he wants to pull that bs, suspending him is a very easy way of shoving bs right back in his face.

Quite frankly, while I don't want the Packers to be the team to do it, I wish someone would so these players finally clean up their act and start acting like role models.

Trade him! Trade him!

What do you think TT could get? I'm guessing maybe - maybe a fourth. Get rid of him and move on. The circus atmosphere of last summer did not help this team.

I don't think it hurt it, either.

Tell him to honor his contract or not ever make any money. Tell him he can either play or they will suspend him and he won't be a free agent.

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Franchise him after the season.

Hang onto him so you get value for him

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Originally Posted by Partial

Right, I understand that, I was referring if he only comes to play for the 6 games.

If he wants to pull that bs, suspending him is a very easy way of shoving bs right back in his face.

Quite frankly, while I don't want the Packers to be the team to do it, I wish someone would so these players finally clean up their act and start acting like role models.

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Suspend him for what? Holding out? You can't. You could make something up but good luck with the arbitration hearing.

Someone help me out here.... Walker can come in for the last six games and get credit for the season..right??? So whats up with the holding the team hostage? Can't any player do the same thing?? Come in for the last six and get the season counted for?? I'm full of questions tonight.. :D But I truly don't understand some of this.

When a player reports, they have to pass the team physical don't they?

Something tells me if Walker held out for the first 10 games, he would have a very hard time passing the team physical.

I know if I where the Gm, and he had to pass for it to be considered as reporting, he would have a very difficult time passing the team physical before the 11th game was played.

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Originally Posted by AtownPackFan

When a player reports, they have to pass the team physical don't they?

Something tells me if Walker held out for the first 10 games, he would have a very hard time passing the team physical.

I know if I where the Gm, and he had to pass for it to be considered as reporting, he would have a very difficult time passing the team physical before the 11th game was played.

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Then he's released right there.....that'd be even better for him than playing the last six games...instant free agent.

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Originally Posted by Jeffro66

Someone help me out here.... Walker can come in for the last six games and get credit for the season..right??? So whats up with the holding the team hostage? Can't any player do the same thing?? Come in for the last six and get the season counted for?? I'm full of questions tonight.. :D But I truly don't understand some of this.

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Yes, any player can, and some have. It's one of the hammers the players have. And if they are smart, they get hurt the first week back and the team can't cut them, they get paid and are UFA the next year.

I agree with Fritz, but not a fourth, at least a second if not a first day and a seconday pick. And I am low balling there.

Get rid of him then. People wanna get rid of Favre for running his mouth about the team sucking but Walker says the whole Organizations sucks and he should stay?? Hell no, trade him to worse AFC team you can for a 1-15 in the 2nd round at worse or activate him if he holds out but dont let him play and them franchise him.

If both sides try and play hardball, it could be interesting. Lots of issues to consider.

First is money. JW, AFAIK, isn't independantly wealthy, doesn't have any big endorsements, and hasn't gotten his big payday. I wonder what his commitments are, and if he can afford to lose 10 paychecks?

Now, he has said he'd retire before playing in GB again. I have to think that's a bluff - pride is one thing, but he'd literally be walking away from millions of $$$. So throwing out the retirement thing, one of the following would have to happen:

He sits the 10, then does the phantom injury thing, I think he screws himself. As has been pointed out before, he'll be 2yrs removed from football, and all he'll get is a 'prove it' contract.

The other scenario that's been mentioned is that he sits 10 games, and comes back for the final 6, to get his accrued season. If the Packers then tried to suspend him 'For conduct detrimental to the team' or something like that, I wonder how it would work out? Initially, he wouldn't get credit for the games, and hence the season. He'd appeal, I'm sure, and then I guess it would be up to the arbitrator. In the current climate, it looks like he'd win that one.

One more thing to consider - if he did come back and actually play the last 6, does Brett (or Rodgers, or ???) even throw him the ball? Not much, if at all. And I'm thinking he's the #3 receiver. So he finishes the season with 8 catches for 34 yards...not much of a barganing chip in FA.

i dunno *shrug*
got me.

WE ARE NOT GETTING FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR A GUY WHO TORE HIS ACL

And I completely disagree about moving him.

Javon Walker is nothing but a spoiled little bratty boy who wants to get his way and most importantly get rich in doing so. But the latter is his only real goal, and he holds none of the cards.

Javon Walker is recovering from the most serious knee injury in the NFL. We will not receive fair market value until he's healthy and we cannot accept a mid tier draft pick for first round talent. An example must be set that players cannot whine their way out of Green Bay, which isn't exactly a place most players want to be in the first place right now IMO.

Ted Thompson should make it very clear to this punk that if Javon Walker is going to play football in 2006, it is going to be for the Green Bay Packers.

Ted Thompson should make it very clear that if Javon Walker is going for his road to riches, he will first have to excel as a Green Bay Packer.

And Ted Thompson should make it very clear that we are not dealing somebody who blatantly attempts to use the media to get his crying wishes.

We are the Green Bay Packers, and Javon Walker is acting like a punk. Do NOT reward his immaturity. Make him play, or let him retire. AND as Partial keeps saying, if he does excel, stick the franchise tag on him and then get a first rounder.

But this little boy's antics should not push the Green Bay Packers around

Then let him rot and franchise him. If he shows what it takes to be in the top 5 number 1s in the league, somebody will give a first rounder for him.

Moss, coming off a mooning and massive embarrassment to his franchise not to mention a grotesque sum of money netted the vikings a starting linebacker and the #7 overall pick in what was deemed the deal of the century.

If I am the Packers, I don't accept anything less than the Broncos #22 pick. I let him play his 6 games and show that he still has it so he makes the big bucks, or I let him fake an injury. Either way, what I do right now is I tell Javon he will be franchised, and if he wants a long term deal he had better come in ready to perform. That would be the best thing they could do. Since this season has already started, they cannot change any rule that would prohibit this.

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep? Wouldn't that just kill the payday he so desperately wants? By that time he'll be how old, having never proven himself recovered from his injury and having another one. Would you give him the payday then?

I agree kids, let him sit the ten games. And when he comes back, have our punter waiting for him when he enters the locker room. Welcome him back with a drop kick to the nut bag. It's called tough love.

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Originally Posted by Murphy37

I agree kids, let him sit the ten games. And when he comes back, have our punter waiting for him when he enters the locker room. Welcome him back with a drop kick to the nut bag. It's called tough love.

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SEEING WE HAVE NO HOLDER I WONDER IF HE CAN HOLD FOR THE DITRY BILL ON FIELD GOALS

SO it is said to let him play the six games??? So what soes that say to the other recievers that busted ASS through camp and the first ten games of the season??I'm lost here.. I'm going for a beer.. :neutral:

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Originally Posted by Partial

Then let him rot and franchise him. If he shows what it takes to be in the top 5 number 1s in the league, somebody will give a first rounder for him.

Moss, coming off a mooning and massive embarrassment to his franchise not to mention a grotesque sum of money netted the vikings a starting linebacker and the #7 overall pick in what was deemed the deal of the century.

If I am the Packers, I don't accept anything less than the Broncos #22 pick. I let him play his 6 games and show that he still has it so he makes the big bucks, or I let him fake an injury. Either way, what I do right now is I tell Javon he will be franchised, and if he wants a long term deal he had better come in ready to perform. That would be the best thing they could do. Since this season has already started, they cannot change any rule that would prohibit this.

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So let me get this straight, he sits for 10 weeks then comes back and fakes an injury. You STILL don't know if he's 100%. Next year you franchise him so he gets top 5 in the league money without having seen him play.
He doesn't sign the franchise tender until the last minute missing all of camp for the second straight year. He gets "hurt" soon after and makes about 7 mil. Does this make sense?

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.

Correction: It's tough to find a big, physical receiver THAT CAN PLAY. No one knows if he can still play. He could take one hit and legitimately reinjure and never make it back.

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.

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I don't think you can deal him until he signs the tender, which he'd wait until the season starts. All that F'ing around for a 2nd round pick?

Okay, sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

This is Javon Walker. One of the best, hardest working, physical specimens in the NFL. No doubt in my mind he returns better than ever.

He easily is worth a mid-first round pick. You trade him under the understanding the Packers get a first, he gets a long-term more cap friendly deal, everyone is happy.

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.

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I don't think you can deal him until he signs the tender, which he'd wait until the season starts. All that F'ing around for a 2nd round pick?

Okay, sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.

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Originally Posted by Murphy37

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

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I quoted the other dude.....actually your suggestion would remove him having to fake an injury.

[quote="Bretsky"][quote="Rastak"]

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.

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Yea, I have no idea how serious he is...he was full of crap last year so you may have the right approach.

[quote="Rastak"][quote="Bretsky"]

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Originally Posted by Partial

Yes sir.

RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.

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It's a calculated gamble Rastak, but one GB must take. I don't think players want to come here right now; if you let a star like JW walk after some petty whining the herd may follow.

Yea, I have no idea how serious he is...he was full of crap last year so you may have the right approach.

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I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

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I quoted the other dude.....actually your suggestion would remove him having to fake an injury.

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Yeah I'm just being a juvenile smart ass as usual. I need a whole team of therapists.

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Originally Posted by MJZiggy

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep?

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It worked for Mike McKenzie.

I forgot. What major injury did he have before holding out?

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Originally Posted by MJZiggy

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep?

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It worked for Mike McKenzie.

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Ziggy is kind of right. He pulls all this then he misses 10 weeks of pay and ain't no way in hell he get's a mega deal in UFA for the reasons Ziggy mentioned.


Nobody wins.

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

Only if he plays his 6 and puts up some numbers.

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Originally Posted by Partial

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

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A first round pick for a guy who will be seen as a complete ass? One who hasn't caught a pass in two years? Never.

Randy Moss was a bigger ass. Starting linebacker and the number 7 overall pick.

Walker will play well next year. He will get a mid-first.

If he doesn't play, he'll still get a mid-first because he'll want to workout for teams and get that longterm contract.

You're smoking the reefer man, Walker is no moss, but he is definitely in the top 5 receivers and he is young in football years too.

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Originally Posted by Partial

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

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A first round pick for a guy who will be seen as a complete ass? One who hasn't caught a pass in two years? Never.

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JAVON WALKER CAN MAKE HIS OWN BED, BUT GREEN BAY DOESN"T NEED TO GET HIM A COMFORTABLE CUSHION FOR IT.

If he doesn't warrant a first, then he hasn't played well enough to get the big fat contract he craves.

Either he succeeds or his missed out on the might buck.