Mike Sherman Success Stories: Issue #1

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02-15-2016, 09:48 AM
pbmax

Mike Sherman Success Stories: Issue #1

Von Miller.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/14/v...-bowl-mvp--nfl

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Sherman, the former Packers coach, replaced Dennis Franchione in 2008 at A&M and began butting heads with Miller, who wasn’t a serious student and liked to have too much fun. “He was young and immature, and he was screwing up—missing class, missing study hall, generally being a pain in the ass,” Sherman said the other day. “I kicked him out that spring. I told him, ‘Get outta here.’ I think he was shocked. He loaded up his truck and left. But I always credit his dad. If his dad had given him a soft landing and let him come home and transfer, I don’t believe he’d have won the Butkus Award and gone so high in the draft.”

Miller’s father told him he’d better go back to College Station and make this work with his coach. “I was just a 19-, 20-year-old kid,” Miller said, “stuck in the ways of my old coach. But Coach Sherman, he was 100 percent consistent across the board. Be on time, get to class, do everything right. He was the best thing that happened to me. I began to stack good days on top of good days, good habits on top of good habits. Coach Sherman was an NFL coach at a college job, and I needed to hear what he was saying. What I’ll always remember him saying to me is, ‘You can’t lead double lives.’ ”
02-15-2016, 10:16 AM
mraynrand

I'm guessing most Packerrats aren't expecting a second issue. Except Retail guy, but he's not posting so who cares.
02-15-2016, 11:07 AM
pbmax

I think we could manage a 5 or 6 issue set. While he had his failings as a GM, he had more numerous successes as a coach.

1. Introduction of the short gun (until proven otherwise I consider this the precursor to the pistol)
2. Introduction of college style power O run game (which has completely taken over the pro game-he proved no less a name than Bill Walsh wrong on this point)
3. O line Development (has to be first or second finest unit in franchise history, no?)
4. Harnessing Favre to a running game and some self control
02-15-2016, 11:50 AM
Patler

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Originally Posted by pbmax

I think we could manage a 5 or 6 issue set. While he had his failings as a GM, he had more numerous successes as a coach.

4. Harnessing Favre to a running game and some self control

I didn't realize it was Sherman who broke Favre's thumb.
02-15-2016, 12:10 PM
mraynrand

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbmax

I think we could manage a 5 or 6 issue set. While he had his failings as a GM, he had more numerous successes as a coach.

1. Introduction of the short gun (until proven otherwise I consider this the precursor to the pistol)
2. Introduction of college style power O run game (which has completely taken over the pro game-he proved no less a name than Bill Walsh wrong on this point)
3. O line Development (has to be first or second finest unit in franchise history, no?)
4. Harnessing Favre to a running game and some self control

5. Drafting Scott Wells!
02-15-2016, 12:11 PM
esoxx

5. Sticking up for his player against the menacing Warren Sapp at great personal risk of bodily harm.
02-15-2016, 12:32 PM
Bossman641

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Originally Posted by esoxx

5. Sticking up for his player against the menacing Warren Sapp at great personal risk of bodily harm.

+1,000
02-15-2016, 12:32 PM
mraynrand

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Originally Posted by esoxx

5. Sticking up for his player against the menacing Warren Sapp at great personal risk of bodily harm.

yup. Almost should get him into the Packer HOF for that!

BTW, I didn't realize before looking it up that only Lombardi, Bengston, and Holmgren are in the hall as coaches. (Curly is listed as 'Founder' :) )
02-15-2016, 12:43 PM
pbmax

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Originally Posted by Patler

I didn't realize it was Sherman who broke Favre's thumb.

Did this happen twice? Or were the Packers still having pre-season games in Madison during Sherm's tenure?

I was at a Madison exhibition game with great seats and I think he mangled his hand on a Bronco helmet. But I also remember laughing with Freeman while watching one of the linebackers dance while on the sideline. When Freeman pointed out to him that the crowd was watching the dancing and not the game, he turned around and yelled "That's right baby!" along with whatever song was playing.

But I also want to say that was Wayne Simmons, which almost cannot be right. Man the 90s were a blur.
02-15-2016, 02:05 PM
Patler

Favre broke his thumb in 2003, the year Ahman Green rushed for nearly 1900 yards, Davenport and Fisher another 600. All three averaged 5 yards/carry, or more.
Favre had far fewer passing attempts that year than any year in GB except his first.
02-15-2016, 02:32 PM
pbmax

Camp Randall wikipedia says the last Madison preseason game was 1999. So yes, possibly a Wayne Simmons sighting by your truly, but not Sherman as HC or Brett's broken thumb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Randall_Stadium

BTW, you do not want to remember most of the 2003 season. The wikipedia page is a house of horrors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_G...Packers_season

Here is a snippet you don't want to read:

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Round Overall Player Posit College 1 29 Nick Barnett LB Oregon State 3 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State 4 147 James Lee OT Oregon State 4 166 Huntr Hillnmeyr LB Vanderbilt 6 212 Brennan Curtin OT Notre Dame 7 245 Chris Johnson CB Louisville 7 253 DeAndrew Rubin WR South Florida 7 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo 7 257 Mark Gaulocher P Carson-Newman
02-15-2016, 02:58 PM
woodbuck27

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Originally Posted by pbmax

Von Miller.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/14/v...-bowl-mvp--nfl

The Stuff here and Von Millers regards for his former College Mike Sherman And Sherman kicking him In The butt 'To Grow Up". That adds to my growing respect for Von Miller.

How Mike Sherman went about being the mentor coach and laying on the pipe. If an attitude needs adjusting for the individual and from that and moreso the general strengthn of the team.

You take whatever action is necessary. You do so after taking the proper time to ensure your not selling out to either side.....act as necessary without worrying about what others think. You act as your guts tell you is necessary....and do so firmly and with your integrity in mind.

That's all good.
02-15-2016, 03:08 PM
channtheman

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Originally Posted by Patler

Favre broke his thumb in 2003, the year Ahman Green rushed for nearly 1900 yards, Davenport and Fisher another 600. All three averaged 5 yards/carry, or more.
Favre had far fewer passing attempts that year than any year in GB except his first.

I made a post a few years back about the number of INT's Favre threw per year, and he actually threw more that year than most of his years. I wonder if I can somehow dig it up. It was on this site, but with the overhauls since then I don't know if it's still available.
02-15-2016, 03:17 PM
channtheman

I still had the spreadsheet from the topic on my PC, but I can't find the old thread unfortunately. I hope these post in a good way. So we can give Shermie credit for a great run game, but Favre took his fewer opportunities with even more risky throws than usual. Sherman never reeled Favre in.

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Ahman Green Year Att Yds TD Lng Yds/Att Rushing 2000 263 1175 10 39 4.5 2001 304 1387 9 83 4.6 2002 286 1240 7 43 4.3 2003 355 1883 15 98 5.3 2004 259 1163 7 90 4.5 Year Rec Yds TD Lng Yds/Rec Receiving 2000 73 559 3 31 7.7 2001 62 594 2 42 9.6 2002 57 393 2 23 6.9 2003 50 367 5 27 7.3 2004 40 275 1 48 6.9 Bret Favre Year Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Yds/Att Lng Rtg 2000 338 580 58.3 3812 20 16 6.6 67 78 2001 314 510 61.6 3921 32 15 7.7 67 94.1 2002 341 551 61.9 3658 27 16 6.6 85 85.6 2003 308 471 65.4 3361 32 21 7.1 66 90.4 2004 346 540 64.1 4088 30 17 7.6 79 92.4 2007 356 535 66.5 4155 28 15 7.8 82 95.7 Vikings 2009 174 256 68 1925 16 3 7.5 63 106
02-15-2016, 03:46 PM
woodbuck27

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Originally Posted by esoxx

5. Sticking up for his player against the menacing Warren Sapp at great personal risk of bodily harm.

One of the finest moments of any Head Coach (Field Manager) in any Pro Sport I've witnessed in being 'the fan' for nearly six decades.

I was pissed at Sapp on that play.

I was very proud of Mike Sherman's justified anger...and post game response.

It was too bad that Mike didn't get two thumbs in Sapp's eyes. Ohh ..........the agony !
02-15-2016, 04:04 PM
mraynrand

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbmax

Did this happen twice? Or were the Packers still having pre-season games in Madison during Sherm's tenure?

I was at a Madison exhibition game with great seats and I think he mangled his hand on a Bronco helmet. But I also remember laughing with Freeman while watching one of the linebackers dance while on the sideline. When Freeman pointed out to him that the crowd was watching the dancing and not the game, he turned around and yelled "That's right baby!" along with whatever song was playing.

But I also want to say that was Wayne Simmons, which almost cannot be right. Man the 90s were a blur.

Hey I was at that game. We got there late and got trapped in the same tunnel the team was taking onto the field. My wife got a chance to chat with Gilbert and Bert for a couple of minutes before the game. Somehow I missed out on that, and got stuck talking to 'sweet feet' De'mond Parker. That year the thumb injury was a sprain; 2003 it was a break of the distal phalange.
02-15-2016, 05:50 PM
pbmax

I've checked with alibi witnesses, local authorities, Wikipedia and pro-football-reference. It was August 23, 1999. The year of Ray Rhodes allowing Sherm Lewis to unleash Brett Favre's yet to develop deep passing game.

This year is nearly as sad as 2003. Only Driver and Bidwell in the draft brighten the outlook.

Plus all our thumbs hurt.

Packers won 27-12. Freeman was having fun with the crowd but the dancing linebacker could not have been Simmons. My guess is Levens or Henderson was dancing.
02-15-2016, 07:39 PM
woodbuck27

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbmax

I've checked with alibi witnesses, local authorities, Wikipedia and pro-football-reference. It was August 23, 1999. The year of Ray Rhodes allowing Sherm Lewis to unleash Brett Favre's yet to develop deep passing game.

This year is nearly as sad as 2003. Only Driver and Bidwell in the draft brighten the outlook.

Plus all our thumbs hurt.

Packers won 27-12. Freeman was having fun with the crowd but the dancing linebacker could not have been Simmons. My guess is Levens or Henderson was dancing.

Just look at the Packers named in your post above.

Those are all Packers I enjoyed in the Green and Gold. Every one of them took turns thrilling us !

PACKERS FOREVER !
02-16-2016, 01:40 PM
Bossman641

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Originally Posted by pbmax

BTW, you do not want to remember most of the 2003 season. The wikipedia page is a house of horrors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_G...Packers_season

While 2003 ended horribly, it also gave us this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwv4GUD8aA

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaJZwYPe7Cc

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWeIqDq_nUU
02-16-2016, 01:46 PM
mraynrand

And that INT by 31 was because Shermy blew a #2 draft pick on 'em.
02-16-2016, 02:42 PM
Smidgeon

I have only been to one professional football game. The season ender hosting the Broncos when the Vikings lost to the Cardinals and the stadium erupted at some random point in the fourth quarter.

And Ahman Green's super long run.
02-16-2016, 07:18 PM
pbmax

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Originally Posted by mraynrand

And that INT by 31 was because Shermy blew a #2 draft pick on 'em.

Best move?

Issue #6?
02-16-2016, 07:45 PM
Freak Out

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbmax

Camp Randall wikipedia says the last Madison preseason game was 1999. So yes, possibly a Wayne Simmons sighting by your truly, but not Sherman as HC or Brett's broken thumb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Randall_Stadium

BTW, you do not want to remember most of the 2003 season. The wikipedia page is a house of horrors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_G...Packers_season

Here is a snippet you don't want to read:

Code:

Round Overall Player Posit College 1 29 Nick Barnett LB Oregon State 3 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State 4 147 James Lee OT Oregon State 4 166 Huntr Hillnmeyr LB Vanderbilt 6 212 Brennan Curtin OT Notre Dame 7 245 Chris Johnson CB Louisville 7 253 DeAndrew Rubin WR South Florida 7 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo 7 257 Mark Gaulocher P Carson-Newman

Bad memories. How many punters did Sherman draft?
02-16-2016, 09:28 PM
pbmax

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Originally Posted by Freak Out

Bad memories. How many punters did Sherman draft?

At least 2. At least he can say Wolf was looking for one as well.