Extreme Fighting

[Harlan Huckleby]

OK, I'm a little slow on the uptake. I just learned what this stuff is about from a special on ESPN.

I know why people like it. Hell, if I was driving down the road, and saw a gang fight, I'd watch it. And I couldn't turn away from the action last night.

It bothers me though. There is something different between the violence in Extreme Fighting and football, or even boxing. Those guys are mercilessly trying to injure their opponent. It's really more like war than sport. Sport is done for.... sport, even if it is rough. I like John McCain's description: human cockfighting.

Who likes extreme fighting? I've seen the Chuck Liddel talk and avatar, so I suppose it's lots of you guys. Do people over 40 like EF?

[swede]

...human cockfighting...

You boys in the back! Settle down! What's so funny?

[Harlan Huckleby]

you're thinking of "sword fighting"

[Little Whiskey]

i thnk you need to get nutz in on this discussion, i think he is the resident EF expert.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ya, Nutz has gone shy.

Bunches of people like EF, they're hiding too. Hell, Patler came forward to talk about his cross-dressing. I've talked about my fetishes. What's so embarassing about liking to watch guys beat each other to death?

[MadtownPacker]

You are just a little sheltered bitch who hasnt had enough violence in his life other then all the damage to your wrist.

Just wait until I go visit you and them you will get your fill of chingasos.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You want a piece of me, punk?

[Deputy Nutz]

The correct term is Mixed Martial Arts. Extreme Fighting brings a connotation that there are no rules. Infact they are now rules that govern the sport in the United States and in Japan. There have been zero deaths in the UFC or in Pride Fighting, there have been zero kneck injuries or severe head trama in the UFC. Sure there are really bad cuts and bruises, along with broken limbs and torn tendons, but the fighters are well protected against serious injury by referees how will side with safety before allowing action that could cause permanant injury to the fighters. Boxing allows fighters to stand up and keep fight after they have been knocked down and in most cases knocked out. Boxing officials will let these fighters continue fighting, and that is when serious and permanent injury happens.

MMA has been held to extreme regulations to allow it to be held and authorized by athletic commissions across the country. California has just allowed it. Which is huge for the sport.

John McCain is a stuge. If he would actually do some investigating into the sport he might find out the truth. Like all politicans they like to come to opinions on things before doing any research.

[Harlan Huckleby]

"Mixed Martial Arts" sounds like you got men and women together in tag teams.

OK, Nutz, you make a spirited defense. On ESPN special, they kept refering to it as "Extreme Fighting Championship", so guess they haven't gotten the word.

[Deputy Nutz]

EFC might be an actual association, I am not sure.


This used to be a sport that was underground, no rules, no regulations. People were getting killed and severly hurt. In this sense it is illegal.
Hell there is underground stick fighting in California where guys beat each other sensless with sawed off broom sticks, ever see Rambo III?

I didn't catch the ESPN show on MMA, I wish I had, but they probably show little respect for it since they missed the boat on it when the UFC was looking for a cable network to pimp The Ultimate Fighter, and show past fights and live fights.

I come from a wrestling background, so MMA is a lot more entertaining for me than watching boxing. To each his own. I am predicting that in the next five years MMA will be a bigger draw than boxing.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Wanna know what's illegal? The WWE, World Wrestling Entertainment. Every one there is on steroid, even the owner Vince McMahon, and the fights are so fake Los Vegas outlawed gambling on the sport.

[Badgepack]

Fake?, No way.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hey Tank, I guess you shouldn't be betting on WWE matches anymore.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The ESPN special on EF was very balanced. They pointed out it is growing somewhat out of the young male demographic, and that they don't have worse medical problems than say, boxing.

But what bothered me was watching one guy sitting on top of another guy, who was face down, and punching him in the head. I just don't know those guys aren't going to get brain damage from that sorta trauma.

[Bossman641]

Although I'm not a huge UFC fan I watch it quite a bit when I'm flipping channels and see it on. From what I understand, the sport has been cleaned up alot over the past couple of years.

Although I've seen a few guys take pretty good beatings, it seems like the refs tend to stop the fights too soon rather than too late. I think the sport will blow up in the next few years.

[SkinBasket]

The ESPN special on EF was very balanced. They pointed out it is growing somewhat out of the young male demographic, and that they don't have worse medical problems than say, boxing.

But what bothered me was watching one guy sitting on top of another guy, who was face down, and punching him in the head. I just don't know those guys aren't going to get brain damage from that sorta trauma.

HH, if you compare the "old timers" from UFC to the "old timers" from boxing, you'll see that even when it was less regulated, far less lasting damage was done to these guys. Hell, the worst thing most of these guys have got is the disgusting califlower ear.

I've watched boxing and to a lesser extent MMA over the past 10 years, and at this point, there is no comparison. Boxing is about on par with WWE, although it has improved slightly in the past year or two. MMA is safer, more entertaining, and you'll get to see an actual fight decided by the fighters, not a demonstration of fisticuffs that ends with the loser winning by split decision.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hell, the worst thing most of these guys have got is the disgusting califlower ear.

Hell where I come from thats a badge of honor.

I could never get it. When I was in the 7th grade I started getting a good build up in my ear, and then my mom saw that it was all red and swollen and she just about tore the god damn ear off. We went to the doctor, had it drained. Then she wouldn't let me wrestle for the next month.

[Guiness]

I don't know so much that I'm a fan, but I have watched some of it. Heck, a guy I grew up with is even a promoter of one of the smaller associations. He's done a couple of PPV specials for DirectTV.

As long as it's trained pros, who are getting paid and know what they're getting into, I've got no problem with it. You'd be surprised at how much these guys DON'T get hurt. They know how to defend themselves. I also think over the long run, they seem to take a lot less punishment than a boxer. Knockout generally take 2-3 landed punches, as opposed to boxing where a guy gets dinged in the head 50+ times in a match.

HH - if you're at all interested, you should get your hands on a couple of the original UFC tournaments. They are pretty neat.

[Deputy Nutz]

The original UFC didn't have the regulations and rules that the current UFC has. The UFC used to be owned and ran by the Gracie family, basically set up to demonstrate the effectiveness of Brazilian Ju Jitsu. They allowed hair pulling, the use of a uniform in a fight. There were no time limits, the ref was basically forced to let action go on even when an opponent was getting beat silly, the corner had to throw in the towel, or the fighter had to tap out. Mostly it was boring, guys would just lay on top of each other, the ref couldn't restart the action, or seperate fighters.

The current UFC is faster paced, and more actioned packed. I pefer the octagon verses a ring with ropes when it comes to MMA.

[SkinBasket]

The original UFC didn't have the regulations and rules that the current UFC has. The UFC used to be owned and ran by the Gracie family, basically set up to demonstrate the effectiveness of Brazilian Ju Jitsu. They allowed hair pulling, the use of a uniform in a fight. There were no time limits, the ref was basically forced to let action go on even when an opponent was getting beat silly, the corner had to throw in the towel, or the fighter had to tap out. Mostly it was boring, guys would just lay on top of each other, the ref couldn't restart the action, or seperate fighters.

The current UFC is faster paced, and more actioned packed. I pefer the octagon verses a ring with ropes when it comes to MMA.

God was it ever boring. If you want to see a dude straddle another dude and beat on his ribs for 15 minutes, then rent one of the first UFCs.

The competition wasn't really that great back then either. One of the first UFCs had a food vendor from County Stadium in it. He was about 40 pounds overweight and 40 years old.