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    Obama

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY&3

    Very well done little campaign ad.
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    This is museum quality stupidity.

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    You're almost as racist as Harlan.
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    It's like fascist propaganda with smiling celebrities instead of saluting military leaders. I like it.
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    I thought it was a smart ploy for votes from the Obama camp. Hell I might vote for him if Scarlett says I should.
    Quote Originally Posted by 3irty1 View Post
    This is museum quality stupidity.

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    The change coming is that a democratic administration is replacing the republicans. That's it, just like every other time that the parties have swapped control. Obama is going to be the next president because he looks and sounds fresh, unlike far more qualified and capable people like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton.

    "Hope" and "unity" and "justice" are empty advertising words like "minty fresh" and "super charged with flavor."

    Unity is in direct conflict with change. To the extent that Obama actually tries to change anything, there will be a partisian backlash.

    Its good that a woman or black is elected president, but not very important. Plenty of countries have elected female leaders, like say India, and it hasn't changed their societies much. I like that a non-white male is going to be president, but it should not be a priority.

    Obama rarely mentions specifics because he has no specifics. He is going to do nothing at all about special interest control of government, even though he implies he will shake things up. He says that no lobbyists will be hired in his government, but this is a gimmick. Former lobbyists being hired into the executive branch is a negligible part of the problem.

    Here's what specifically w;; change:
    1) The Dems will push to expand health care. It will be an uphill battle, I hope they succeed.
    2) Obama will try and get troops out of Iraq without the region imploding. His hands are going to be tied a lot more than people think, there will still be significant troops there after his first term. This is better than McCain's 100 year war.
    3) Our relations with other countries are going to improve. Obama will be a very good spokesman for our nation.

    Oprah said that she is angry that people say that she is just supporting Obama because he is black. Well, true enough, I don't doubt she thinks he is special. But how about a reality check: Obama is getting 85% support among African Americans. Oprah didn't campaign for other democrats. There's racial solidarity, better to just face it.

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    When it is black and white, you can't even tell he is african.

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    Just my two cents...if Obama is the democratic nominee I think he will win over the republican choice. If it's Hilary, I do not think she will win. I do not think she will get enough support to win. I would think the republicans would want Clinton to be on the democratic ticket, which gives them the best chance to winin the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    The change coming is that a democratic administration is replacing the republicans. That's it, just like every other time that the parties have swapped control. Obama is going to be the next president because he looks and sounds fresh, unlike far more qualified and capable people like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton.

    "Hope" and "unity" and "justice" are empty advertising words like "minty fresh" and "super charged with flavor."

    Unity is in direct conflict with change. To the extent that Obama actually tries to change anything, there will be a partisian backlash.

    Its good that a woman or black is elected president, but not very important. Plenty of countries have elected female leaders, like say India, and it hasn't changed their societies much. I like that a non-white male is going to be president, but it should not be a priority.

    Obama rarely mentions specifics because he has no specifics. He is going to do nothing at all about special interest control of government, even though he implies he will shake things up. He says that no lobbyists will be hired in his government, but this is a gimmick. Former lobbyists being hired into the executive branch is a negligible part of the problem.

    Here's what specifically w;; change:
    1) The Dems will push to expand health care. It will be an uphill battle, I hope they succeed.
    2) Obama will try and get troops out of Iraq without the region imploding. His hands are going to be tied a lot more than people think, there will still be significant troops there after his first term. This is better than McCain's 100 year war.
    3) Our relations with other countries are going to improve. Obama will be a very good spokesman for our nation.

    Oprah said that she is angry that people say that she is just supporting Obama because he is black. Well, true enough, I don't doubt she thinks he is special. But how about a reality check: Obama is getting 85% support among African Americans. Oprah didn't campaign for other democrats. There's racial solidarity, better to just face it.
    All of this may be true. I agree that there are few or no real differences in the policy positions of Hillary and Obama. The problem is, you totally discount anything that doesn't show up as experience and position, and therefore you reduce politics to a theory of politics, or to knowledge. But what about charisma or whatever name you want to give to those qualities that make people want to do something, make people want change or at least make them accept it? I certainly don't want to say that politics is just charisma, or that charisma always leads to good politics, but I don't think you can leave charisma or whatever you call it out of the picture. Or if you do leave it out of the picture, you end up nominating John Kerry and you lose the general election to W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosier
    The problem is, you totally discount anything that doesn't show up as experience and position, and therefore you reduce politics to a theory of politics, or to knowledge.
    I would use words judgement and politcal skills. Biden knows WHAT to do in foreign policy. From watching Obama on Foreign Affairs Committe, he is really a lightweight. And Obama has made some foolish statements about Iraq. I don't think much of Obama as a Senator, he's very green and a bit arrogant.

    I haven't discounted charisma. I'm skeptical he is going to unify our country, but I think his charisma will serve him well in repairing relations overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by hoosier
    Or if you do leave it out of the picture, you end up nominating John Kerry and you lose the general election to W.
    BTW, Kerry was 15 points ahead of Bush in the polls this time of year in 2004. So I wouldn't make much of polls about the November elections.

    My opinion is that Clinton is just as electable as Obama. I think either will win in the fall because of the unpopularity of the Republican Party.

    I expect Obama will be front runner after tomorrow. He is going to win California, and that will be huge psychological victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    I expect Obama will be front runner after tomorrow. He is going to win California, and that will be huge psychological victory.
    Is that a gut feeling or have you seen something recent that suggests he's pulling ahead? All I've seen is a bunch of conflicting polls from late January and early February, none of which gives either one more than a 6% lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    BTW, Kerry was 15 points ahead of Bush in the polls this time of year in 2004. So I wouldn't make much of polls about the November elections.
    But it didn't take a Nostradamus to foresee that that wasn't going to hold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosier
    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    I expect Obama will be front runner after tomorrow. He is going to win California, and that will be huge psychological victory.
    Is that a gut feeling or have you seen something recent that suggests he's pulling ahead? All I've seen is a bunch of conflicting polls from late January and early February, none of which gives either one more than a 6% lead.
    Check out the graph on this page:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-259.html

    They factor-in all the polling data they can get their hands on, and weight things in a way that seems to produce a very reliable predictor of trends.

    I have a strong gut feeling that Obama will win nomination. Hope I'm wrong because I think so highly of Clinton, but I will adjust to him just fine. He's gonna have some growing pains.

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    Shit, the latest Zogby poll has Obama stretching out to a 13 point lead in California.

    Looks grim, but I'm not making my concession speech until I hear how Madtown is voting. Lunatic Mexicans are a large, unknown group of swing voters in California, they usually answer telephone polsters with "vote? I vote I kill you!" They hate negros and stare at blond white women, Hillary could get a bump.

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    Today is the day! Can one vote in the primaries if they are a registered voter? We always vote in the elections that count in the fall. I always thought to vote in the primaries you have to register separately for that. Is that true. If anyone know how the process works I'm intersted to know.

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    This is a great, moving ad. It plays directly to Obama's strength---style---while conveniently leaving out his weakness---a complete lack of substance.

    Very moving, and could very well swing some young and stupid voters out of places like the Ron Paul camp and into Obama's camp.

    I wonder if ol' Harry Belafonte and some friends made a vid like this for his buddy Hugo Chavez. Chavez probably wishes he had before the most recent big election down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LL2
    Today is the day! Can one vote in the primaries if they are a registered voter? We always vote in the elections that count in the fall. I always thought to vote in the primaries you have to register separately for that. Is that true. If anyone know how the process works I'm intersted to know.
    There is no separate registration, however there are a few differences in primaries from the general:
    1) You must actually be in the state having the primary (Wisconsin's is on the 19th)
    2) Some states have what is called a closed primaries, meaning you can only vote for candidates in the party you are registered for. If you are an independent you can only vote for non-partisan races. In open primaries you can vote for party candidates, but there may be some other rules, like in Wisconsin you can only vote for candidates in one party, but you don't have to be registered for that party.
    3) If you live in a caucus state, you half to show up at a certain time and stay there for an hour or so. The specifics will differ from state to state, but expect them to be about as complicated as the tax code crossed with statistical thermodynamics.

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    Obama will either win close in California or he will lose to Hillary. Once again, these polls are probably going to be off. No way he goes from 10 points down to 13 points up in a matter of weeks. There's no way I see him winning by more than 6 or 7.

    But, if Obama wins big in Cali, it's going to be a long night for the Clinton campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    Unity is in direct conflict with change. To the extent that Obama actually tries to change anything, there will be a partisian backlash.

    Obama rarely mentions specifics because he has no specifics. He is going to do nothing at all about special interest control of government, even though he implies he will shake things up. He says that no lobbyists will be hired in his government, but this is a gimmick. Former lobbyists being hired into the executive branch is a negligible part of the problem.
    Come on HH. This is what Obama has proposed for ethics reform. How much more specific do you want.

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

    The basic idea is to make everything as open as possible so the corrupt won't have the cover of secrecy they need to act, but read the details for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadScientist
    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

    The basic idea is to make everything as open as possible so the corrupt won't have the cover of secrecy they need to act, but read the details for yourself.
    I don't think what he is talking about there is terribly important. Lobbyists are not a bad thing - in fact they are democracy in action! Businesses SHOULD have access to politicians to express their point of view. People organize themselves into trade groups and associations precisely so they can have a voice - excellent! This is civics. We don't want to have an isolated government that makes decisions from on high.

    I really don't think secrecy is a big issue. If Cheney wants to meet privately with members of the oil industry to get their take on a proposed regulation, I am cool with that. Perhaps Obama has some good ideas, maybe I could be persuaded somewhat on this point.

    The giant problem is money. We have businesses and associations owning politicians. that's the 600 pound gorrilla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    Perhaps Obama has some good ideas, maybe I could be persuaded somewhat on this point.

    The giant problem is money. We have businesses and associations owning politicians. that's the 600 pound gorrilla.
    I agree 100% on the money issue.

    Support Campaign Finance Reform: Obama supports public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. Obama introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and is the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold's (D-WI) tough bill to reform the presidential public financing system.

    Create a Public “Contracts and Influence” Database: As president, Obama will create a "contracts and influence" database that will disclose how much federal contractors spend on lobbying, and what contracts they are getting and how well they complete them.

    Shine Light on Earmarks and Pork Barrel Spending: Obama's Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act will shed light on all earmarks by disclosing the name of the legislator who asked for each earmark, along with a written justification, 72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.

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