Two situations where I wouldn't mind a receiver being picked

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1. In the event that Crabtree falls to 6, I would have ZERO problem with trading up to get him granted the value is fair or better using the trade chart. This guy will be an absolute stud and is the best player in the draft. Jennings and Crabtree would have the potential to be a Fitzgerald and Bolden type of combination.

2. If Orakpo is gone at #9, trade down into the teens and pick up Percy Harvin. This guy is as fast as Teddy Ginn (imo.. don't know if numbers support these claims, but this cat has incredible football speed), he can play a scat back type role and would allow MM to be even more creative with his formations and mismatches.

This guy can return kicks, be a premiere slot receiver, line up in the back field, take direct snaps, etc. He's extremely versatile and a dynamite athlete.

He was the player that Tebow went to whenever Florida needed a big play, and the unique offenses of both Urban Meyer and Mike McCarthy really play to Harvin's strengths imo.

I would rather do this than draft one of the tackles. The two that are likely to be available both have some significant question marks. To me, I see Harvin as a question-less player. He's a little small, but he has the skillset of a Reggie Bush.

Your thoughts?

[Lurker64]

I'd be a lot happier with any of the four tackles than either proposed scenario. In terms of "improving the offense", having a tackle who can run block (thus allowing us to run 75% of the plays in the ZBS, instead of 50% like we do currently), will improve the Packers offense more than "having a receiver who's a little bit better than Jennings/Driver/Nelson."

Plus, WRs bust in the first round constantly. Offensive tackles do very rarely. Other than Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery, there really haven't been any OT busts in the first round in the modern era.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The only problem I see with what you're saying is how do we help the defense?

I remember two years ago when we were flush with DLineman. It made our entire defense better. That's when our CB's were Pro Bowl material. We need more speed rushers and more backups, I think.

Now we're thin on defense and we don't get after the QB enough.

I can't argue about Harvin. Florida was a different team when he played. As long as he stays healthy, he'll be a game changer. He's kind of like that rookie Philadelphia had last year (from California) only better.

[TigerFang]

Your thoughts?

Dumb. Percy Harvin? Percy Harvin at #9? Why not just trade it for Noah Herron? At least he's familiar with the team.

I'm going to just assume you're trying to create conversation with this. Percy Harvin. There's roughly 30-40 picks that would make more sense for any team at #9.

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Fang: If you read, I suggested trade back into the late teens, Fang. 30-40 picks too high? Dude will be a top 20 pick most likely, but definitely a first rounder without a doubt. Noah Herron was an undrafted free agent running back. I don't see the comparison at all. Especially given that Herron is a 4.7 type guy, where as Harvin is a 4.3-4.4 guy, with superior football speed to most of the combine sprinters.

Lurker, the tackles available all have question. The guy from Miss. gives questionable effort and has never been dominant. I like Smith but I question his ability to be a pass blocking LT. I don't think he'll move laterally anywhere near as well as Clifton. I cannot imagine putting a run blocking LT against Jared Allen. Yikes!

I don't think he's a comparable receiver to Jennings/Jones/Nelson. I highly doubt he is as good as Jennings. I mean Jennings is special. Jones and Nelson are more of your big physical guys. Harvin is the speedster the offense lacks. He's not polished at all as a receiver, as he's more of a Devin Hestor (verstatile playmaker) type than he is a traditional WCO receiver.

I like him for the same reasons I liked Ginn a few years back. He's like a friggin Gazelle!

Maxie: I agree the defense is the way to go if its there. It's a toss up whether the premiere defender in the draft, Orakpo, is available from all accounts. I'm hearing a lot of mixed things on Maybin, so I could see them trying to move down for Tyson Jackson if Orakpo isn't there. If neither is there, then what? That's why I'm proposing going with a guy who brings something to the table offensively that is unique from what we have.

[Bretsky]

Your thoughts?

Dumb. Percy Harvin? Percy Harvin at #9? Why not just trade it for Noah Herron? At least he's familiar with the team.

I'm going to just assume you're trying to create conversation with this. Percy Harvin. There's roughly 30-40 picks that would make more sense for any team at #9.

Come on; 30-40 picks ? Many are projecting him to go in the 15-25 range; the dude has great talent. The reason he'd scare me is I've heard he's a questionable character

[Joemailman]

Harvin's stock has dropped due to reports he tested positive for marijuana at the Combine. Many are projecting him to go in the 2nd round. That will change if he is cleared of the drug report. As far as I know, he hasn't denied it. Doesn't sound like the kind of guy TT will be looking for.

Interesting article on him http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/co...y/1007701.html

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I'm surprised by that. I've spent about 3 hours breaking down a game and making small talk with his parents, and I can tell you his parents are quite well-to-do (very huge engagement/wedding ring, all members were decked from head to toe in gator gear, great seats, etc), and seemed like very nice, supportive people.

I think he is more of a college student living the life taking advantage of his good fortune than he is a trouble maker. His parents and family seemed very nice and very supportive.

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I'm surprised by that. I've spent about 3 hours breaking down a game and making small talk with his parents, and I can tell you his parents are quite well-to-do (very huge engagement/wedding ring, all members were decked from head to toe in gator gear, great seats, etc), and seemed like very nice, supportive people.

I think he is more of a college student living the life taking advantage of his good fortune than he is a trouble maker. His parents and family seemed very nice and very supportive.

LOL!! wtf does that have to do with smoking weed?

[falco]

I'm surprised by that. I've spent about 3 hours breaking down a game and making small talk with his parents, and I can tell you his parents are quite well-to-do (very huge engagement/wedding ring, all members were decked from head to toe in gator gear, great seats, etc), and seemed like very nice, supportive people.

I think he is more of a college student living the life taking advantage of his good fortune than he is a trouble maker. His parents and family seemed very nice and very supportive.

LOL!! wtf does that have to do with smoking weed?

only losers from the ghetto smoke weed, duh

[MJZiggy]

Yes, the size of the mother's engagement ring is proportionally opposite to the amount of pot smoked before the freaking NFL combine.

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Yes, the size of the mother's engagement ring is proportionally opposite to the amount of pot smoked before the freaking NFL combine.

Must not have been big enough!

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I'm surprised by that. I've spent about 3 hours breaking down a game and making small talk with his parents, and I can tell you his parents are quite well-to-do (very huge engagement/wedding ring, all members were decked from head to toe in gator gear, great seats, etc), and seemed like very nice, supportive people.

I think he is more of a college student living the life taking advantage of his good fortune than he is a trouble maker. His parents and family seemed very nice and very supportive.

LOL!! wtf does that have to do with smoking weed?

Nothing. I just don't think he'll be a bad attitude guy in the NFL. He's from a good family. I don't think he'll be a problem or a guy you have to worry about.

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I'm surprised by that. I've spent about 3 hours breaking down a game and making small talk with his parents, and I can tell you his parents are quite well-to-do (very huge engagement/wedding ring, all members were decked from head to toe in gator gear, great seats, etc), and seemed like very nice, supportive people.

I think he is more of a college student living the life taking advantage of his good fortune than he is a trouble maker. His parents and family seemed very nice and very supportive.

LOL!! wtf does that have to do with smoking weed?

Nothing. I just don't think he'll be a bad attitude guy in the NFL. He's from a good family. I don't think he'll be a problem or a guy you have to worry about.

Maybe so. A lot of weed smoking guys have GREAT attitudes and are generally good to be around. Fact is, the NFL doesn't revolve its 3-strike policy around if he's a problem or not. Smoking some weed becomes *the* problem even if he never acts a minute like TO in his life ...

[gbpackfan]

I would be happy to grab Crabtree at 9 but drafting Harvin AT ALL would be disappointing. Another BUST WR from Florida. Remember when everyone wanted Chad Jackson and TT drafted Greg Jennings? Jackson was a BUST! Jennings a STUD! Florida WRs suck in the NFL. When will fans get this through their head? NO FLORIDA WRs!

[Lurker64]

Assuming Percy Harvin did actually test positive at the combine, I think that does reflect really negatively on his decision-making process. As comparatively harmless of a drug as it is, it still gets you suspended the same way that steroids or cocaine would. A suspended superstar is less valuable to his team than a run-of-the-mill starter who is as average as he is dependable.

Remember, the combine is the biggest job interview any of these guys will ever have, and everybody knows there's a drug test coming. To fail a drug test in this situation you have to be either really stupid or care a lot more about drugs than you do about football. In either way, it's not something that makes a guy stand out positively as a prospect.

If a guy got busted for pot at least once in college? You can overlook that, a lot of people smoke weed in college. If a guy gets busted for pot at a drug test that he knows is coming on which millions of dollars hinge, it's a lot harder to overlook.

But we don't actually know whether or not he tested positive, it's all so much rumor until the actual list goes out (which is soon, I think.)

[digitaldean]

Doubtful Crabtree will be available for us anyway.

Either he will be gone to Seattle or to Cleveland.

If, in the unlikely event, he is available, I'd have to weigh it vs. what line help is available. If Raji/Orakpo or Oher are available, we need to pick them. If all 3 of them are gone, Tyson Jackson of LSU would be mmy fallback pick. (we could trade back 1-2 spots if that happened).

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I would be happy to grab Crabtree at 9 but drafting Harvin AT ALL would be disappointing. Another BUST WR from Florida. Remember when everyone wanted Chad Jackson and TT drafted Greg Jennings? Jackson was a BUST! Jennings a STUD! Florida WRs suck in the NFL. When will fans get this through their head? NO FLORIDA WRs!

I don't think he is the typical Florida receiver. He's more of a scat back than anything. Sending him out on long patterns is not playing to his strength.

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm surprised by that. I've spent about 3 hours breaking down a game and making small talk with his parents, and I can tell you his parents are quite well-to-do (very huge engagement/wedding ring, all members were decked from head to toe in gator gear, great seats, etc), and seemed like very nice, supportive people.

I think he is more of a college student living the life taking advantage of his good fortune than he is a trouble maker. His parents and family seemed very nice and very supportive.

How many times do we get to hear this story? I am not saying that smaller receivers can't make in the NFL and he was a game changer in college, but I just don't see the polish, very comparable to Ted Ginn although I think Percy is a little bit more fluid of an offensive weapon where Ginn reminds me more of a trackstar, but Harvins size does concern me. Sure Steve Smith is small but he is stacked, really put together 5-8 200 pounds. Harvin is just shy of 6 feet and is 192 pounds, decent but jus tooks a little lanky, maybe frail if you want an extreme view.

Percy Harvin is either going to be a total bust with injury issues throughout his 4 year career or he is going to be pretty damn dynamic. I personally just don't know probably because I wasn't sitting next the Harvins, and eyeing up mommy. What I have seen is the guy is a dynamic football player with the ball in his hands but I just don't see him as a number one receiver, someone where you through the ball to 10 to 12 times a game. I think of Reggie Bush when I see Harvin's highlight films. Might not have a position in the NFL. I don't draft a guy in the first round to return kicks and run reverses.

[The Shadow]

Pass on a receiver, thank you very much.