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    Woodson to return punts

    Saw the following article and laughed to hear that Rogers is using the contact prescription excuse for his brick hands in the OTA's

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    GREEN BAY - They don't know who their kicker will be.

    Or their punter.

    Or their kickoff returner.

    Or their punt returner.

    Or their holder (though, with Ryan Longwell gone, that won't get quite as much attention).

    Yes, the Green Bay Packers enter training camp with only one special teams spot set - long snapper, where veteran Rob Davis is entrenched.

    Otherwise, things are great.

    "Does it bother me? No. Is it an area of concern? Yes, because it's not answered yet," said new coach Mike McCarthy, who'll preside over his first training camp practice Friday night.

    "But I think that's healthy. Some of the greatest careers in the history of our game have started because of situations like this. You create an environment where there's competition, and to me, that's when good things happen. The best thing we did was create competition in those areas. And I feel very confident that whoever comes out of them - whoever's kicking, whoever's punting, whoever's returning against Chicago (in the season opener Sept.•10) - we'll be fine."

    But for a team that lost an NFL-high five games by three points or fewer last season, so much uncertainty seems like a big deal. Especially when you consider the franchise's all-time leading scorer, kicker Ryan Longwell, bolted for NFC North division rival Minnesota and took his 10 career winning kicks with him.

    So why isn't new special teams coordinator Mike Stock worried?

    "Because we've got good candidates there, good competition there," Stock said.

    "I think any one of those guys, if you're looking for two - kicker, punter - any one of those guys could be effective in the league and help us win. As far as the return game, there's a bunch of candidates."

    Surprisingly, Stock said he plans to use starting cornerback Charles Woodson as his primary punt returner, ahead of rookie fourth-round pick Corey Rodgers, who struggled catching punts in the minicamps and organized team activity practices. Woodson caught some punts in the post-draft minicamp but skipped the second camp and all 14 OTAs.

    "I think the punt return thing will be solved when No.•21 (Woodson) shows up," Stock said.

    "He's a Heisman Trophy winner - where else would he get to pose? He wants to do it. In fact, he's the one that suggested it. He's going to be the guy, as far as I know right now. Unless something changes. And then we have good young kids behind him if he needs a break."

    Stock said Rodgers went to an eye doctor on the second-to-last day of OTAs and caught the ball better at the final practice because he had his contact lens prescription changed. Rodgers is among a handful of kickoff return candidates.

    The training camp focus will be on the battles at kicker (Billy Cundiff vs. Dave Rayner) and at punter (B.J. Sander vs. Jon Ryan). Cundiff and Ryan go into camp looking like the leaders at each spot, but Stock insisted the jobs are wide open.

    In fact, they'll compete head-to-head almost daily in practice and share the job in the preseason games. The duels could go all the way to the final cutdown Sept.•2.

    "You'd like to use that third game as a target for knowing who the guy is (at punter and kicker), but that might not be the case," McCarthy said. "It may take the whole preseason."

    Stock said in games the punters and kickers could alternate kick-by-kick or quarter-by-quarter. Either way, all four will get their in-game opportunities.

    "The thing about preseason games is, it's a little iffy. You don't know how many times (they'll get to kick). Do you get to kick off? Do you get a lot of punts? You have to see," Stock said.

    "Some people have the philosophy to lop the one guy off to let the team know that this guy is going to be your guy - your kicker or punter. That's how some people do it. But we're going to see. The games will take them to a new level, hopefully, competition-wise."
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    I guess I don't understand why you would put such a high priced player in a position where the chances of him getting hurt increase substantially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMichele
    I guess I don't understand why you would put such a high priced player in a position where the chances of him getting hurt increase substantially.
    Agreed.
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    Hopefully, they flushed all the gun powder residue out of Rodgers eyes so he can get back there. If someone gets hurt at that position, I'd rather have to lose out on a scrub 5/6th string WR; than a starting multi-purpose CB (and that's only if he plays up to his rep).
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    I believe that you sign players to PLAY! If C-Wood can make an impact at KR, then let him do so. The guy makes a ton of money, he should earn it. We need all the playmakers we can get. And if C-Wood wants to return punts, is excited to do so, and can make an impact, then he should do it. For the money he is getting, I WANT TO SEE HIM DO EVERYTHING! Even punt!

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    You have to let players play! This crap about making too much money doesn't wash! You pay players alot of money, because they have certain talents. One of Woodsons is returning kicks! He does you no good on the bench! Injuries are part of the game that everyone deals with, but if you coach a team with the mindset I'm not playing so and so, cause he may get hurt you have already lost half the battle! Get the playmakers on the field and let the chips fall where they may!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpackfan
    I believe that you sign players to PLAY! If C-Wood can make an impact at KR, then let him do so. The guy makes a ton of money, he should earn it. We need all the playmakers we can get. And if C-Wood wants to return punts, is excited to do so, and can make an impact, then he should do it. For the money he is getting, I WANT TO SEE HIM DO EVERYTHING! Even punt!

    I actually agree with gbpackfan. He hasn't been the most consistant fellow
    and you might as well get as much use out of him as you can. The Vikings have K Robinson listed as #1 reciever but it wouldn't bother me to see him return kicks again this year.

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    He's returned 12 punts in 8 years for 77 yards, career ave of 6.4 yards!!!

    http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12841

    He's another egotistical dude who wants to do anything he can to get on ESPN, returrn punts and play WR (2 receptions for 27yds career) . Value wise for what he's getting he should play every play to earn his 10 milion, but that's not going to help the team win games. He's a pro bowl defensive back, not punt returner. Rodger's is 2nd all-time in all purpose yardage to L Thomlinson at TCU and 8th all time in NCAA. I say give him a shot.

    http://www.packers.com/draft/2006/coryrodgers.phtml

    If he wants to beat him out head to head in training camp fine let him, but if he gets hurt doing that before he plays a real game, it won't seem like such a great idea. Deion Sanders did it too, but he didn't have a reputation as being injury prone like Woodson, but most importantly he was actually good at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBMichele
    I guess I don't understand why you would put such a high priced player in a position where the chances of him getting hurt increase substantially.
    not to mention that high priced player already has an problem staying healthy even when not returning kicks

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    I am actually starting to think TT & MM might actually have a clue. There is very little downside in "rewarding" your prima donna free agent with such an assignment at the beginning of training camp. Throw the dog a bone. He still must earn the job and he will have to beat out a lot of people.

    If he doesn't earn the job for Sept. 10 he has only himself to blame. At least the PAck gave him a shot (which TT probably promised during the courting phase).

    Hell, in this age of player ego and selfishness I am almost touched that a bona fide super star like the Heismann trophy winning Chuck Woodson would even volunteer for PR duty -- a role that many others (i.e., Robert Ferguson & Ahmad Carroll) have shied away from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbpackfan
    I believe that you sign players to PLAY! If C-Wood can make an impact at KR, then let him do so. The guy makes a ton of money, he should earn it. We need all the playmakers we can get. And if C-Wood wants to return punts, is excited to do so, and can make an impact, then he should do it. For the money he is getting, I WANT TO SEE HIM DO EVERYTHING! Even punt!
    I agree, thats why hes making 10 mil
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    I can't believe what I'm reading here!

    Has PACKERRATS entered " the Twilight Zone "? That's where I feel I'm at reading this stuff about Charles Woodson being a suitable choice as OUR #1 punt returner.

    He's straight up - not good enough to perform that duty and he's valuable to us as a CB with maybe a special assignment as an ocassional WR.

    Jeeee - why not allow him to play QB T2? Get your money's worth.
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    Not being good enough is a different story, than shouldn't do it because of the risk of injury. If he shows hes good enough in camp, than why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BallHawk
    Quote Originally Posted by GBMichele
    I guess I don't understand why you would put such a high priced player in a position where the chances of him getting hurt increase substantially.
    Agreed.
    Tim Brown was Oakland's primary punt returner for 9 or 10 years.

    Then too, that might be just a statement to placate Woodson. He said he wanted to play on offense and return kicks, and didn't like it when Oakland didn't let him. Whether he really does return punts or not remains to be seen.

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    Personally, I don't like it. Brown wasn't injury prone. Woodson is, big-time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27

    He's straight up - not good enough to perform that duty and he's valuable to us as a CB with maybe a special assignment as an ocassional WR.
    As I recall he was a decent punt returner in college.
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    Charles Woodson is at his best when he has the ball in his hands. He doesn't get that opportunity very much as a cornerback. He didn't win the Heisman because of his skills as a corner, he got them because he was purely the best all around football player anyone had seen in a decade. The Raiders were foolish not to use him as the primary punt returner, and they failed to recognize his value to the offense as well. Woodson had silly skills in college with the ball in his hands.

    Lets face it he might be more valuable to this team catching punts, and running some reverses or go routes on offense, then just sitting out on an island as a corner.

    I say go back and read the history book of Michigan football, read about Charles Woodson, get a mean on, and cheer him on like crazy when he drops back to return a punt or two. Hell, he simply can't be any worse than Chatman.

    Just because the inept Raiders failed to utilze Woodson's talents, don't fall into the same trap, Woodson might be a litle more eager and excited to play this game if he is used the way he is supposed to.

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    I agree Nutz. Maybe he can be like Deion Sanders, didn't return punts all the time, but was a threat to score whenever he did.

    Heck, they're paying Woodson a lot of money, might as well get as much out of him as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler
    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27

    He's straight up - not good enough to perform that duty and he's valuable to us as a CB with maybe a special assignment as an ocassional WR.
    As I recall he was a decent punt returner in college.
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    This is the NFL Patler and you of all people understand the meaning of that.

    By the way. Glad to see " the Return of Patler ".

    This Charles Woodson returning punts "cup of expresso" not Kool-aid . .

    is just some of that - just Pre - TC Shock and Awe baloney, we have to put up with as fans.

    Is T2 trying to get out of his job? Maybe he and Jim Bates are cooking something really special up for their futures?

    I don't expect a player with Charles Woodson's resume regarding injury, to realistically be considered as OUR primary punt returner.

    Now, if that is "in fact" the case.

    Bye bye to one of OUR Mr. Rodgers.

    WOW ! Putting on the brakes. I just read Dr.Nutz post and maybe there is something to this?

    I need to study Charles Woodson 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27

    This is the NFL Patler and you of all people understand the meaning of that.
    Well sure it is, but I don't understand how you could call him "straight up - not good enough". He has as solid a resume as anyone else on the roster. The other candidates are just college returners too.

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