Thompson vs. Belichick

[pbmax]

I will grant the BB has the better video crew. But that is it.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...375347891.html

I think there is one exaggeration in this article because as we know, Thompson doesn't sign anyone from another team except the couple we will always remember. And the one's that sportswriters always manage to forget.

Among those he has acquired are veterans Terrance Knighton, Shea McClellin, Chris Long, Donald Brown and Nate Washington. In addition, he made trades that netted him former Chicago tight end Martellus Bennett and former Arizona guard Jonathan Cooper.

His off-season work stands in stark contrast to Thompson's, whose only off-season signing that didn't involve one of his own was street free-agent tight end Jared Cook. The Patriots have already filled 74 of their spots on the 90-man off-season roster compared with the Packers' 62.

Cooper is an odd duck in this list as he was a talent and salary dump throw-in. Still, he is taking a roster spot.

[mraynrand]

I'll be very interested to see if BB8 can do anything with Shea Mcclellan. He seemed so misused in Chicago, it's hard to know if he has any talent. Kindof a classic tweeter with no great exploitable strengths. Wonder if they can make a reclamation project out of him like Jabaal Sheard.

[pbmax]

I'll be very interested to see if BB8 can do anything with Shea Mcclellan. He seemed so misused in Chicago, it's hard to know if he has any talent. Kindof a classic tweeter with no great exploitable strengths. Wonder if they can make a reclamation project out of him like Jabaal Sheard.

The article has an exec that says he gets guys who can do one thing well and then takes advantage of that and minimizing the weaknesses. It will be intriguing to see what they think his strength is.

[Bretsky]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out the notion that BB constantly is willing to bring in end of their career type vets and often guys out of favor while TT rarely does. NFL network and the Packers own cover guys point this out constantly. Hoody places value on guys coming at the end of their careers and he'll bump the young guys, perhaps sacrificing a guy that might turn out, for them. He'll take much bigger chances. I assume the articile points this out. I'm too tired to read it right now but if that is the jist every NFL guy on NFL network as well as all the writers that cover GB point out the same thing. Right or wrong, let's call a spade a spade. TT has his own version of draft and develop and it's more extreme that most if not all of the GM's he competes against. And to be honest overall it has worked for him because the playoffs are our norm.

[Maxie the Taxi]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out the notion that BB constantly is willing to bring in end of their career type vets and often guys out of favor while TT rarely does. NFL network and the Packers own cover guys point this out constantly. Hoody places value on guys coming at the end of their careers and he'll bump the young guys, perhaps sacrificing a guy that might turn out, for them. He'll take much bigger chances. I assume the articile points this out. I'm too tired to read it right now but if that is the jist every NFL guy on NFL network as well as all the writers that cover GB point out the same thing. Right or wrong, let's call a spade a spade. TT has his own version of draft and develop and it's more extreme that most if not all of the GM's he competes against. And to be honest overall it has worked for him because the playoffs are our norm.

Great post!
Belicheck is comfortable thinking out of the box and living with the risk it entails:

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The morning after a heartbreaking loss to the Colts, coach Bill Belichick revisited his risky decision to go for it on fourth down while also detailing the Patriots' uncharacteristic struggles in burning valuable timeouts.

Belichick repeated what he said Sunday night, saying that he felt the decision to go for it on fourth-and-2 from the Patriots' 28-yard line, with 2:08 remaining, gave the team the best chance to win.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4660313

[texaspackerbacker]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

[pbmax]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

A counterfactual is only useful if it tells you something you did not know.

GM               QB              Team
John Schneider   Russell Wilson  Seahawks
Kevin Colbert    Rothliesberger  Steelers
Bill Parcells    Tony Romo       Cowboys
Belichick        Tom Brady       Patriots
Dave Gettleman   Cam Newton      Panthers
Pollen           Manning         Colts
Polian           Collins         Panthers
Polian           Kelly           Bills
Jerry Reese      Manning         Giants
Newsome          Flacco          Ravens

[Upnorth]

A counterfactual is only useful if it tells you something you did not know.

GM               QB              Team
John Schneider   Russell Wilson  Seahawks
Kevin Colbert    Rothliesberger  Steelers
Bill Parcells    Tony Romo       Cowboys
Belichick        Tom Brady       Patriots
Dave Gettleman   Cam Newton      Panthers
Pollen           Manning         Colts
Polian           Collins         Panthers
Polian           Kelly           Bills
Jerry Reese      Manning         Giants
Newsome          Flacco          Ravens

This made me have a greater appreciation for John Dorsey in KC. Also holy crap Polian!

[Patler]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

Would Belichick be the same without Brady? Who was luckier getting their QB, the Packers or the Patriots?
Before having Brady as his starter, as a head coach, Belichick was 41-57 in six full seasons and the first two games of 2001; 5-13 with the Patriots.

You really have no way of knowing what might have happened if Rodgers hadn't been available in 2005. If TT didn't get Rodgers, might he have taken Cutler in 2006 instead of Hawk? Might Cutler have turned out better under the tutelage of MM and the chance to sit behind Favre for a few years? Might TT have traded up instead of down in 2008 and taken Flacco, with Favre hanging around for another 2 or 3 years??

[MadScientist]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

Top QB's make everybody in the organization look smarter (GM"s, coaches, scouts, etc). It takes a lot more to win consistently without one, but those people will then get dinged for not being able to draft and develop a good QB.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Might Cutler have turned out better under the tutelage of MM and the chance to sit behind Favre for a few years?

[Patler]

Ya, I meant to qualify that with a or a or even a

[Maxie the Taxi]

^^^LOL

[Upnorth]

So Patler screwed up yet again. Typical.

[Patler]

So Patler screwed up yet again. Typical.

[woodbuck27]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

100%...Bang On ! Exactly... and please ...hahahaa..I was going to ask:

Can't we agree on this as factual as it is. It just simply is this:

Bill Belichick is light years superior to Ted Thompson and any other NFL man when it comes to 'how to get to the Super Bowl and hopefully win'.

Bill Belichick is highly respected as the greatest mind and all about winning in the NFL. His head is into it 24-7 in terms of what he might do to improve his teams roster. His ability to game plan and manage ..his half time adjustment ability and success...are all 5* STAR qualities.

You cannot NOT have courage and the nuts to be anywhere even close to the respect and accorded praise that Bill Belichick is awarded by NFL analysts.

Ted Thompson just doesn't have the go get it attitude Packer fans might expect. We need a GM that studies BB and at least tries to emulate all his best qualities.

I'm no longer disappointed in Ted Thompson. I've grown to expect little more growth from him. Soon he'll be gone and I can have some real hope the Green Bay Packers may enter an Era of more REAL Super Bowl hope for Packer Nation.

[mraynrand]

A counterfactual is only useful if it tells you something you did not know.

GM               QB              Team
John Schneider   Russell Wilson  Seahawks
Kevin Colbert    Rothliesberger  Steelers
Bill Parcells    Tony Romo       Cowboys
Belichick        Tom Brady       Patriots
Dave Gettleman   Cam Newton      Panthers
Pollen           Manning         Colts
Polian           Collins         Panthers
Polian           Kelly           Bills
Jerry Reese      Manning         Giants
Newsome          Flacco          Ravens

This explains the allergic reaction to Manning

[mraynrand]

I'm no longer disappointed in Ted Thompson. I've grown to expect little more growth from him. Soon he'll be gone and I can have some real hope the Green Bay Packers may enter an Era of more REAL Super Bowl hope for Packer Nation.

I just don't know what's wrong with the Packers that they can't land the greatest GM/Coach in modern NFL history. Always sloppy seconds with this organization.

[pbmax]

I just don't know what's wrong with the Packers that they can't land the greatest GM/Coach in modern NFL history. Always sloppy seconds with this organization.

Just wait until the next GM is worse than Thompson.

Fire Murphy!

[wist43]

I've said it many times in several forums, if Thompson hadn't hit it big getting Aaron Rodgers, his reputation and Packer fortunes in general would be EXTREMELY different. Call it luck or call it skill in drafting Rodgers, but without that, we'd be in pretty bad shape given Ted's overall way of doing things.

When Rodgers went down a few years ago, we went 2-5-1. That pretty much sums up our overall roster minus the most important player.

Even though I think the defense has improved the past few years, it has been an achilles heel more often than not since dunderdummy has been here. Add to that the ZBS, soft philosophy underpinning the running game, and it makes it very difficult for this team to be successful, or even average, without a top-flight QB.

We simply aren't built to take over games in the trenches, consistently shut down another teams offense, or consistently run the ball to take pressure off our QB. If our QB goes down, we're pretty much done.

Homers would say that is pretty much the case with every team, but I would argue it is much more pronounced with the Packers than any other team. The Broncos won last year's SB essentially without even having a starting caliber QB on their roster. Put Manning and his noodle arm on the Packers, and we probably go 5-11.