Sunday 5:30 PM Broadcast is on Fox. Kevin Burkhardt, Greg Olsen, Erin Andrews, Tom Rinaldi
Eagles favored by 1.5
Moneyline: Eagles -125 Chiefs +105
Over/under: 50.5
Sunday 5:30 PM Broadcast is on Fox. Kevin Burkhardt, Greg Olsen, Erin Andrews, Tom Rinaldi
Eagles favored by 1.5
Moneyline: Eagles -125 Chiefs +105
Over/under: 50.5
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Looking good for Ju Ju Smith-Schuster and Kadarius Toney to play Sunday. So MVS won't be a one man gang at receiver. Mecole Hardman out.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Eagles win 31-27
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This should be a very good game. I think this is the best matchup we could have had this season. The Eagles dominated the NFC all year, and the Chiefs have one of the most talented rosters in the league.
In the end, I’m putting my money on Mahomes and Reid, who have far more experience on this stage. I thought the Eagles got unfortunate with so little of a test on the NFC side of the bracket. The Cowboys are a paper tiger that the Packers were able to beat, and SF was way too beat up. The Chiefs are going to be an enormous step up for them, so we will see how that goes.
Chiefs 27-24
It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!
34 - 23 Iggles. The chefs pass rush will have no where near the success they had against the Bungholes offensive line.
People are sleeping on Jalen Hurts. The Niners are butt hurt. I'm not sure it's a close game still let alone Niners win if Purdy plays. The Eagles are really good. I'm not sure if he is the type of QB that can carry a team but with the roster around him right now he is super dangerous for the Eagles and a tremendous fit. Good chance he wins the MVP on Sunday with a rushing TD.
This may be the first SB in history where I root for the AFC ....... or maybe I won't watch it at all.
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This game is the culmination of my last 2 years posting on "don't pay anyone at the QB position except the elite 3 guys". You have a roster built around a rookie contract vs. the current best QB in the game. I'm leaning eagles personally.
But my larger point is this. Big contract QBs who didn't sniff this game include all of them except the current best. Prescott, Carr, wilson. I could go on. Lets look at the guys who played in the final 4. Maholmes, Burrow, Hurts, and Purdy (or Lance). 3 Rookie contracts and the best in the game. Will GMs catch on anytime soon?
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I tend to agree with the theory but also want to call out you need players to perform and draft well. Packers would be here if they had great drafts in 2020 or 2021. Hell even if any of the 3 WR from the 3 WR draft of years passed worked out they would have won a bowl. Gooter has drafted pretty poorly and certainly not well IMHO. Maybe average. Maybe.Originally Posted by bobblehead
First off I disagree with the idea Gutes hasn't drafted well. Second, Most of our picks are later in the round because we actually had one of the "3 best in the league" but kept falling "just a bit short" of the owl. 2020 is only bad in that our 1st sits on the bench. It may turn into an epic draft if he is the real deal. 2021 was like pick 30 in each round and still got us 2 starters, and 2 solid contributors. One of the knocks on Gutes is that he didn't keep special teams aces on the roster so the latter picks aren't contributing. I think he realizes that error and will adjust in upcoming drafts.
By trading wentz and sucking for several years the Eagles had a lot of premium picks. They also traded back for more draft capital a few times. Then when the roster was ready they traded a mid first for an elite WR. We need to trade Rodgers (and probably Bak) and eat it for a year to rebuild the roster.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Eagles got a lot of UFAs coming up, holy cow.
https://twitter.com/gonzbologni/stat...60151085862915
Wow...thats much worse than our selection of FA. A lot of marquee players on that list.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
How can you disagree? That makes no sense. There is one player from 2018 draft on the team in 2022. That’s insane.
3 guys from 2019 but one won’t get a second contract, so really two guys going forward. To their credit, they’re good players.
1 OK at best starter and 1 backup RB that probably won’t be resigned to a second deal in 2020. Maybe Love is good but that still makes it okay at best.
2021 - Stokes looks like an average starter and everyone wants to replace Myers so he is below average and kinda sucks. Wont get a second deal. So right now there is one player from this class that will exceed initial contract with team.
That’s really, really, really bad and why the team stunk ass this year. Gooter is probably on a much hotter seat than you think. He won’t survive the leadership change if he doesn’t start drafting better. Which is why I sorta think they will keep ARod around and pad his record to try to keep his job.
We sucked this year largely due to injury on the OLine and subpar QB play. Its amazing we won more games over 3 years than anyone else.when we screwed everything up so bad..
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I'm generally a big detractor of the Packers O Line, but it actually seemed better this past season than in the past. Yeah, the QB play was subpar, and a lot of that was on Rodgers albeit mostly injury-caused. Poor D and passing problems in general, subpar receiver play, also probably mostly injury-caused were bigger problems.
"amazing we won more games over 3 years than anyone else"? a big hell no to that. It was extremely expected that we had those 13 and 14 win seasons and disgustingly amazing that we failed in the playoffs. Furthermore, it was extremely Rodgers-caused that we had those great 3 years, and furthermore, I fully expect just as great a season next year - WITH Rodgers, of course, and that maybe the next 3 or so years will be as great or greater. WHY would they not, assuming Rodgers is healthy and bounces back as he should?
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Tex
Rodgers sub par performances in the second half of multiple playoff losses is why our season MVP receives no consideration as the GOAT
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Bump for bobble head
You bumped you spinning reality for me? I'm touched.
Myers was very good pre injury. Not so great in his comeback year. I expect him to be good with another offseason of healing. You ignore that MVS got a big contract and started for 4 seasons. You act like he didn't exist because KC payed him big (the team that actually won the owl).
We have no idea if Savage will play like he did in year 2 or year 3/4. He might get another contract and he in fact started for 4 season including 3 of them with 13 wins. You also say "3 guys" without mentioning 2 of them are all pro level, not "just guys".
2020 Runyan is "ok at best"? He has been the steadiest member of the OLine this last year. He has started for a team that won 13 games twice. He is a legit NFL starting G who will likely play 10 years. This was the worst draft, but if Love is a good NFL QB, that elevates it. And Dillon isn't Jones, but he is definitely getting a second contract. He was the 21st rated RB in the NFL last year in fantasy points. He is a good NFL player (most teams use time share at RB) Throw in 3 guys that played on ST quite a bit.
That isn't really really bad. Thats pretty good. The reason we stunk is because Rodgers played like a bottom 5 QB by all metrics this year. The OLine took time to put it together early, and the one big mistake Gutes made was assuming he could re sign DAdams and when he couldn't the cupboard was bare.
I'll knock Gutes for legit reasons. I think he stretched the cap too thin. I think he shouldn't have drafted Love in a WR rich draft. But lets be fair. We all hated the Gary pick and he is a stud.
Whatever point you think you are making is negated by the overall organizational success of the Gutes era. Now, if we come out and win 4 games with Love starting next year....then you might have a point.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
MVS - He didn't get a second contract with the Packers. Overrated player that they deemed not worth resigning. I think you view him more positively than I do. I view him as just a guy.
Myers - Eh, we'll see. Jury is still out I suppose but just about all the radio guys discuss needing to upgrade at the spot and think Tom is going to relegate Myers to the bench. That's not good for a second round pick.
I strongly disagree that Gary is an all-pro. So do the voters, because he has in fact never made a pro bowl or an all-pro team. He hasn't had ten sacks in a season yet, for example.We have no idea if Savage will play like he did in year 2 or year 3/4. He might get another contract and he in fact started for 4 season including 3 of them with 13 wins. You also say "3 guys" without mentioning 2 of them are all pro level, not "just guys".
Jenkins I will give you is very good.
I didn't say they were guys. I said they were very good players.
Savage got benched to a street free agent so I wouldn't say it is trending well. We shall see!
I disagree that Dillon is getting a second contract. In fact I would be shocked. He has the dude from Detroit written all over him. How are they going to afford him? I don't see it as Runyan is great or anything. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm open to that possibility. I view him as a serviceable piece but a weak link on the line. He is far more likely to get a second contract than Dillon though IMO.2020 Runyan is "ok at best"? He has been the steadiest member of the OLine this last year. He has started for a team that won 13 games twice. He is a legit NFL starting G who will likely play 10 years. This was the worst draft, but if Love is a good NFL QB, that elevates it. And Dillon isn't Jones, but he is definitely getting a second contract. He was the 21st rated RB in the NFL last year in fantasy points. He is a good NFL player (most teams use time share at RB) Throw in 3 guys that played on ST quite a bit.
Dillon looked really bad last year IMO. Not the same guy. He didn't make really any special plays and looked like a light weight.
Take Rodgers out of the equation. Just look at the drafts. They haven't yielded much beyond those R1 picks. He has knocked those out of the park clearly! But the team is not very deep due to the lack of other players contributing.That isn't really really bad. Thats pretty good. The reason we stunk is because Rodgers played like a bottom 5 QB by all metrics this year. The OLine took time to put it together early, and the one big mistake Gutes made was assuming he could re sign DAdams and when he couldn't the cupboard was bare.
I am all for stretching the cap so I don't fault him there. I don't think drafting Love was a good idea either but I agree the jury is still out there.I'll knock Gutes for legit reasons. I think he stretched the cap too thin. I think he shouldn't have drafted Love in a WR rich draft. But lets be fair. We all hated the Gary pick and he is a stud.
Whatever point you think you are making is negated by the overall organizational success of the Gutes era. Now, if we come out and win 4 games with Love starting next year....then you might have a point.
The overall success of the era is carried by TT players and FAs. Now is the time where we need to cut some of these older guys to have capable players on cheap contracts ready to take their place. But those players don't exist on the Packers roster. That's the crux of the matter. The team is not deep. It's very top heavy.
Last edited by call_me_ishmael; 02-17-2023 at 01:24 PM.
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Go Chiefs! The girlfriend is a Chiefs fan. She's been a fan since the early 2000s, and they never made the Super Bowl until she met me. Now, they are playing in their 3rd Super Bowl in the 4 years since we started dating. Apparently, I'm her good luck charm. I have a love/hate with the Eagles. They tend to beat the Vikings when needed. We tend to always beat the Cowboys, so we've been good for each other. But their fans are a-holes.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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