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    Another possible reason for Arod's struggles this year


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    Not really. That occurred before he was drafted...

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    I believe a lot of Aaron Rodgers struggles had to do with the confidence he didn't have in his avaiklable targets, This affected his mechanics often when he tried a short passes that wasn't the option he preferred. He has to adapt to the situation at hand and learn to take confidence in whatever the present situation offers.

    Somehow he needs to learn to go with the flow. It appears to me too often that he chooses to sulk and if so he needs to adjust.

    I do believe we'll see the Aaron Rodgers we need to see with his legit NO. 1 WR back in Jordy Nelson but all the same ARod needs to adapt to certain adversity as that occurs.
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    I also suspect some of Aaron's struggles were due to having his position coach in charge of the WRs too. Having Van Pelt coach both WRs and QBs contributed to both units having down seasons.

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    I think it had to do with a patchwork line and hurt WR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    I think it had to do with a patchwork line and hurt WR.
    injuries, underachievement, and lack of nfl-level talent.

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    It's time to quit making excuses for AR. He is supposed to be one of the best players in the league. A player who should make others better, not a player who loses his accuracy and decision making ability because his OL and WRs have some injuries. He should get the most out of other players. I don't think we can say he got the most out of his WRs last year, not with all of the overlooked opportunities and missed throws there were.

    AR had a down year. Now we need to see if it was the new normal for him, or a one year aberration.

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    I don't like making excuses for anyone. But I like trying to explain their results. Anyone QB would have looked awful behind the line the Packers put out there against AZ in the regular season. That's just reality. It's also reality that the WRs corps was pretty substandard. And so was Rodgers.
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    Patler it would really change my mostly imaginary opinion of you if you were the kind of coach who, whenever a player tried to explain what went wrong, started to scream about no excuses.

    Things I blame Rodgers for:
    1. Making things worse in the pocket due to weak protection
    2. Ultra short throwing accuracy
    3. Lack of development of Janis (it is unclear how much of this is JJ and how much is coach/QB or position coach). Could also be normal 3-year development cycle for a small school WR.
    4. Deep touch disappearing


    Things I blame McCarthy for:
    1. No huddle limiting ability to shake someone open
    2. No dedicated WR coach
    3. Flat refusal at times to help Tackles in pass pro
    4. No design for Janis to help. We understand its important to have a development process that is judged by benchmarks, but when everyone is hurt, the freak needs to be unleashed. If the People's Champion refuses to learn later because he is part folk hero, then let him go. Its possible he had no route he could run other than a 9. If you could survive letting Favre go, you can survive the Janis-Apocalypse.
    5. Remember the offense that worked with Rodgers limited in mobility and the no huddle struggling two years ago? Called the pistol? Should have been used more. But forget the specifics. At one time M3 said its not about routes, its about winning the route. News to Mike: they were NOT winning routes. So you needed to help more and earlier. He did this some, but not enough and not as soon as he should have.

    Things I blame fate/Ted for:
    1. Injuries to WR (Nelson, Cobb[twice], Adams, Monty, Abby and Jones[don't forget his hammy injury])
    2. TE position
    3. Short one functional tackle all year.
    4. You know those inexplicable throws from Rodgers, that made you think that Fox has shifted your affiliate to the Texans game? I don't think Rodgers forgot how to be accurate, I think the offense was struggling so mightily to get a WR open that at times, no one knew where window and route were supposed to be.

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    The great ones elevate those around them. I don't know if Rodgers did that this year.

    Criticizing your young guys pubically is a poor substitute for leadership.

    His leadership is a question mark for me.

    Color me skeptical right now.

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    If you only read this thread and never looked at his raw numbers from last year you would come away thinking he was terrible. You guys talk like he was Jimmy Clausen for crying out loud. He was average but because he's been so otherworldly since 2009 his average numbers this past season look like crap. I fully expect him to bounce back and have a nice season in 2016.

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    I think what contributed most was having a lack of speed in Plodgers at TE and also needing to rely on the Fresno Fraud and once again having no WR theat at the RB position.

    Upgrade those spots and we'll be just fine
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    speaking of leadership, I've listed to the Packer best guys compare and contrast Rodgers with the evil Brett Favre.

    One thing they often note is how Favr'es guys would run through a brick wall for him; they don't see what with AROD. Wonder if there is any point validity there in terms of leadership
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    Pretty sure Kuhn, Jordy and James would go through a wall for Rodgers. Jennings and Driver obviously had split loyalties to some degree. To make matters worse for them, their roles were changing.

    Jennings probably come around since his career years are with Rodgers, but he got injured and had a disappointing year in his contract drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    I think what contributed most was having a lack of speed in Plodgers at TE and also needing to rely on the Fresno Fraud and once again having no WR theat at the RB position.

    Upgrade those spots and we'll be just fine
    Can't be TE if 2013 and 2014 are any judge.
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    Criticizing your young guys pubically is a poor substitute for leadership.
    awkward typo. LOL

    Assuming it's a typo, I agree that he shouldn't be piling on the young guys.
    Injuries to OL and WR, bad route running, lack of trust with young guys, no speed/YAC at TE...it seemed for a while like the best passing play was the screen to Starks.
    Lack of a WR coach didn't help.

    I also wonder if it was a case of Rodgers trying something different out with his footwork or mechanics in an effort to be even better, only it didn't work. You hear about players doing this sometimes: trying something new they experimented with over the offseason. Maybe this time it backfired. I expect when training camp rolls around there will be all kinds of hopeful stories about bouncing back, etc. I think Rodgers accuracy was off even in preseason, and I hope that gets fixed. When he's on target, it's a beautiful thing to behold.

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    I sincerely hope you are right, Pugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run pMc View Post
    awkward typo. LOL

    Assuming it's a typo.
    I had complete faith that one of you would catch the malapropism. ; )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    If you only read this thread and never looked at his raw numbers from last year you would come away thinking he was terrible. You guys talk like he was Jimmy Clausen for crying out loud. He was average but because he's been so otherworldly since 2009 his average numbers this past season look like crap. I fully expect him to bounce back and have a nice season in 2016.
    To really evaluate AR's season, I think you do have to look beyond the numbers. The numbers do not show the opportunities AR either didn't see or ignored, and there were quite a few other than the infamous tablet toss play. The numbers do not properly evaluate the missed throws because they are off set by an unusually large number of safe tosses.

    I think AR's performance was worse than just the difference in his stats of 2015 compared to his average stats.

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