Well, if that's the case then they're not so goddamned anymore.Originally Posted by swede
Well, if that's the case then they're not so goddamned anymore.Originally Posted by swede
So, will Bush's plan to prevent thousands more from going into foreclosure? The news sure has helped the stock market today. I have two family members that have already lost their homes to foreclosure. Who's to blame for all of this? The mortgage brokers (Bretsky)? The buyers? The lenders? The blame goes in many directions and most people just were not wise and got in over their heads, but many are losing their homes due to unfortunate circumstances like losing a job.
Is it time for the hardhats?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...1/cnusa111.xml
Morgan Stanley issues full US recession alert
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 7:28am GMT 11/12/2007
Morgan Stanley has issued a full recession alert for the US economy, warning of a sharp slowdown in business investment and a "perfect storm" for consumers as the housing slump spreads.
Fed chairman Ben Bernanke will be hoping he can keep the US economy from recession
In a report "Recession Coming" released today, the bank's US team said the credit crunch had started to inflict serious damage on US companies.
"Slipping sales and tightening credit are pushing companies into liquidation mode, especially in motor vehicles," it said.
"Three-month dollar Libor spreads have jumped by 60 to 80 basis points over the last month. High yield spreads have widened even more significantly. The absolute cost of borrowing is higher than in June."
"As delinquencies and defaults soar, lenders are tightening credit for commercial, credit card and auto lending, as well as for all mortgage borrowers," said the report, written by the bank's chief US economist Dick Berner. He said the foreclosure rate on residential mortgages had reached a 19-year high of 5.59pc in the third quarter while the glut of unsold properties would lead to a 40pc crash in housing construction.
"We think overall housing starts will run below one million units in each of the next two years -- a level not seen in the history of the modern data since 1959," he said.
Although the US job market has apparently held up well, an average monthly fall of 138,000 in the number of self-employed workers over the last quarter suggests it may now be buckling. "Consumers face what could be a perfect storm," said Mr Berner.
The partial freeze on subprime mortgage rates announced last week by US treasury secretary Hank Paulson may help cushion the blow for some banks, but it could equally backfire by adding a "risk premium" that drives even more lenders out of the mortgage market.
Like Goldman Sachs, and Lehman Brothers, the bank no longer believes Asia and Europe will come to the rescue as America slows.
It has slashed its 2008 growth forecast for Japan from 1.9pc to 0.9pc, and warned that credit stress will weigh heavily on the eurozone.
Mr Berner said US demand is likely to contract by 1pc each quarter for the first nine months of 2008, but the picture could be far worse if the Federal Reserve fails to slash rates fast enough. It is betting on a quarter point cut this week, with three more cuts by the middle of next year. "We expect the Fed to insure against the worst outcome," he said.
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Morgan Stanley is the first major Wall Street bank to warn that it is may now be too late to stop a recession, though most have shifted to an ultra-cautious stance in recent weeks.
The bank at first treated the August crunch as a "mid-cycle correction", much like the financial storm after Russia's default in 1998. But the collapse of the US commercial paper market has now continued for seventeen weeks, suggesting a "fundamental deleveraging of the banking system."
Mr Berner - known at Morgan Stanley as the "resident bull"- is one of the most closely watched analysts on Wall Street. While he began to turn bearish last April as the credit markets turned nasty, the latest report is written in tones that may is rattle the fast-diminishing band of optimists.
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I wonder if this report had anything to do with the Dow being down 294 today. Analysts are blaming the drop on the fact that the Fed only dropped interest rates a quarter point, rather than a half point they were hoping for. There is also a report today that holiday shopping has come to a screeching halt after a good start in November. People are getting nervous about the economy. I saw tonight on ABC News that for the first time since the occupation of Iraq, more Americans list the economy as their primary concern rather than Iraq.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Citigroup loses 10B in quarter and all stock indexes drop sharply. Dow and S&P are down about 6% YTD. Oh well, sort of like the Packers game. Plenty of time to recover. But then, Favre's not running the economy.
; http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/15/mark...ion=2008011517
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
I could have foreseen that happening to Citigroup since I canceled my card this year...
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings
Pretty funny...Originally Posted by MJZiggy
..but not really...that has to be one of the biggest losses ever for a bank.
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Wow.....cut 4200 jobs...just not his.Originally Posted by Freak Out
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...LwA&refer=home
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Humongous Market Rally!!!
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/18/mark...ion=2008031817
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen